Phil Allison wrote:

** I do THD tests on audio gear every day of my life.

So I already KNOW you are wrong.

Yes, but do you do useful ones?


** THD measurements on an electro is what **YOU** asked me to do !!!

So now you want to discredit them - after asking for them ???

Phil, for someone who is complaining about people putting words in your mouth,
you're sure doing a lot of it to other folks.

Who are you? You seem to have a good grip on the basic physics of microphones
and electronics, but without any great knowledge of the literature or of
practical sonic stuff. As far as I can see, you haven't written any AES papers
or been cited anywhere. So what do you do and why are you here, and why are you
so rude?
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Phil Allison wrote:
"Scott Dorsey"
Phil Allison

** Tantalums are *very* prone to fail dead short if subjected to a
sudden
self discharge or reverse polarity of even a few volts. Accidental
shorts
from pins 2 or 3 to ground will inevitably happen with phantom powered
mic
inputs.

This is the case with dry slug types only, not with the wet slug ones.

** Kindly supply a reference to a supplier of the latter - with pulse
current specs.

Kemet makes 'em. Look for the mil-spec types. Because of the high cost, you
don't see them very often except in avionics and military gear any longer.
You do see them in a lot of 1970s audio gear, since dry slug types were very
unreliable back then (and because capacitively-coupled audio stages with low-Z
inputs were almost universal then too.)

And it is also the case for some of the newer solid electrolyte aluminum
types,
like the Sanyos.

** Aluminium is not tantalum.

BTW The price for a 47 uF, 25 volt Sanyo SC ( ie solid aluminium) is
ridiculous.

Maybe. The question is how long it lasts. On typical pro audio gear, you may
see a piece of equipment recapped three or four times over a 30-year lifespan.
The cost of the labour far exceeds the cost of the parts.

Right now, I don't think anybody has a grip on real longevity for the solid
aluminum stuff (which is in fact much closer to a dry slug tantalum in
technology than it is to a conventional electrolytic). It is going to be very
interesting to see.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Phil Allison wrote:
"Scott Dorsey"
Phil Allison

** Tantalums are *very* prone to fail dead short if subjected to a
sudden
self discharge or reverse polarity of even a few volts. Accidental
shorts
from pins 2 or 3 to ground will inevitably happen with phantom powered
mic
inputs.

This is the case with dry slug types only, not with the wet slug ones.

** Kindly supply a reference to a supplier of the latter - with pulse
current specs.

Kemet makes 'em. Look for the mil-spec types. Because of the high cost, you
don't see them very often except in avionics and military gear any longer.
You do see them in a lot of 1970s audio gear, since dry slug types were very
unreliable back then (and because capacitively-coupled audio stages with low-Z
inputs were almost universal then too.)

And it is also the case for some of the newer solid electrolyte aluminum
types,
like the Sanyos.

** Aluminium is not tantalum.

BTW The price for a 47 uF, 25 volt Sanyo SC ( ie solid aluminium) is
ridiculous.

Maybe. The question is how long it lasts. On typical pro audio gear, you may
see a piece of equipment recapped three or four times over a 30-year lifespan.
The cost of the labour far exceeds the cost of the parts.

Right now, I don't think anybody has a grip on real longevity for the solid
aluminum stuff (which is in fact much closer to a dry slug tantalum in
technology than it is to a conventional electrolytic). It is going to be very
interesting to see.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Mike Rivers"

That's a good case for removing the capacitor entirely since the
only purpose it serves (other than to pass the signal from one
stage to another) is to remove that "bias" so that the DC condition
of the driven stage isn't affected by the DC condition of the
driving stage.


Phil Allison wrote:

[Yet more *stupid, putrid]

Mr. Rivers' has a good point, calmly stated as well, even in the
anticipation of your inevitable mindless attack.

Phil, you're a troll (big news there) and nothing else. You have no
interest here except to pretend credibility to keep people sucked in
until your attack. Sitting in front of your computer with some audio
cookbook, arguing with everyone until it goes beyond the scope. I'll
bet you hang out the police NGs with a copy of the vehicle code in your
lap doing the same thing there.

In all fairness to you, though, your penchant (you'll look it up) for
baiting everyone you encounter does qualify you for the title of Master
of that art.

Readers here can't tell sh*t from chocolate? Then who on Earth are
*you* writing for?

That's a rhetorical question, everyone but you already knows the answer.

"Mike Rivers"

That's a good case for removing the capacitor entirely since the
only purpose it serves (other than to pass the signal from one
stage to another) is to remove that "bias" so that the DC condition
of the driven stage isn't affected by the DC condition of the
driving stage.


Phil Allison wrote:

[Yet more *stupid, putrid]

Mr. Rivers' has a good point, calmly stated as well, even in the
anticipation of your inevitable mindless attack.

Phil, you're a troll (big news there) and nothing else. You have no
interest here except to pretend credibility to keep people sucked in
until your attack. Sitting in front of your computer with some audio
cookbook, arguing with everyone until it goes beyond the scope. I'll
bet you hang out the police NGs with a copy of the vehicle code in your
lap doing the same thing there.

In all fairness to you, though, your penchant (you'll look it up) for
baiting everyone you encounter does qualify you for the title of Master
of that art.

Readers here can't tell sh*t from chocolate? Then who on Earth are
*you* writing for?

That's a rhetorical question, everyone but you already knows the answer.

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message

Phil Allison wrote:

** I do THD tests on audio gear every day of my life.

So I already KNOW you are wrong.

Yes, but do you do useful ones?


** THD measurements on an electro is what **YOU** asked me to do
!!!

So now you want to discredit them - after asking for them ???

Phil, for someone who is complaining about people putting words in
your mouth, you're sure doing a lot of it to other folks.

Who are you? You seem to have a good grip on the basic physics of
microphones and electronics, but without any great knowledge of the
literature or of practical sonic stuff. As far as I can see, you
haven't written any AES papers or been cited anywhere. So what do
you do and why are you here, and why are you so rude?

Here's a hint:

http://sound.westhost.com/project66.htm

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message

Phil Allison wrote:

** I do THD tests on audio gear every day of my life.

So I already KNOW you are wrong.

Yes, but do you do useful ones?


** THD measurements on an electro is what **YOU** asked me to do
!!!

So now you want to discredit them - after asking for them ???

Phil, for someone who is complaining about people putting words in
your mouth, you're sure doing a lot of it to other folks.

Who are you? You seem to have a good grip on the basic physics of
microphones and electronics, but without any great knowledge of the
literature or of practical sonic stuff. As far as I can see, you
haven't written any AES papers or been cited anywhere. So what do
you do and why are you here, and why are you so rude?

Here's a hint:

http://sound.westhost.com/project66.htm

In article writes:

http://sound.westhost.com/project66.htm

So Phil's a hobbyist who knows how to read application notes.
Now that we know where he's coming from, maybe he'll go back there.

Love his distortion "specification"
"Distortion is low to unmeasurable because it is below the noise level at high gains."
Like the man say, he makes these measurements all the time.

I see that he had to get someone else to edit his description, too. I
guess that's because he's incapable of writing a full sentence
without spewing insults at his readers. That might be good for a
laught a time or two in a newsgroup, but it's bad for business.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

http://sound.westhost.com/project66.htm

So Phil's a hobbyist who knows how to read application notes.
Now that we know where he's coming from, maybe he'll go back there.

Love his distortion "specification"
"Distortion is low to unmeasurable because it is below the noise level at high gains."
Like the man say, he makes these measurements all the time.

I see that he had to get someone else to edit his description, too. I
guess that's because he's incapable of writing a full sentence
without spewing insults at his readers. That might be good for a
laught a time or two in a newsgroup, but it's bad for business.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

"Scott Dorsey"
Phil Allison

** Tantalums are *very* prone to fail dead short if subjected to a
sudden self discharge or reverse polarity of even a few volts.
Accidental
shorts from pins 2 or 3 to ground will inevitably happen with phantom
powered
mic inputs.

This is the case with dry slug types only, not with the wet slug ones.

** Kindly supply a reference to a supplier of the latter - with pulse
current specs.

Kemet makes 'em. Look for the mil-spec types.


** US $30 each and still no pulse current specs !!!


** Aluminium is not tantalum.

BTW The price for a 47 uF, 25 volt Sanyo SC ( ie solid aluminium) is
ridiculous.

Maybe. The question is how long it lasts.


** Not at all.


On typical pro audio gear, you may see a piece of equipment recapped three
or four times over a 30-year lifespan.


** Not on the planet most people inhabit. Must be some idiot Yank idea to
re-cap everything - the guitar amp loonies are always on about it as some
sort of panacea.





.............. Phil

"Scott Dorsey"
Phil Allison

** Tantalums are *very* prone to fail dead short if subjected to a
sudden self discharge or reverse polarity of even a few volts.
Accidental
shorts from pins 2 or 3 to ground will inevitably happen with phantom
powered
mic inputs.

This is the case with dry slug types only, not with the wet slug ones.

** Kindly supply a reference to a supplier of the latter - with pulse
current specs.

Kemet makes 'em. Look for the mil-spec types.


** US $30 each and still no pulse current specs !!!


** Aluminium is not tantalum.

BTW The price for a 47 uF, 25 volt Sanyo SC ( ie solid aluminium) is
ridiculous.

Maybe. The question is how long it lasts.


** Not at all.


On typical pro audio gear, you may see a piece of equipment recapped three
or four times over a 30-year lifespan.


** Not on the planet most people inhabit. Must be some idiot Yank idea to
re-cap everything - the guitar amp loonies are always on about it as some
sort of panacea.





.............. Phil

"S O'Neill"
"Mike Rivers"

That's a good case for removing the capacitor entirely since the
only purpose it serves (other than to pass the signal from one
stage to another) is to remove that "bias" so that the DC condition
of the driven stage isn't affected by the DC condition of the
driving stage.


Phil Allison wrote:

[Yet more *stupid, putrid]

Mr. Rivers' has a good point,


** What exactly was his point ???

Rivers post simply makes no sense at all - since he has no point at
all.

YOU must be an even bigger know nothing than he is.




............... Phil

"S O'Neill"
"Mike Rivers"

That's a good case for removing the capacitor entirely since the
only purpose it serves (other than to pass the signal from one
stage to another) is to remove that "bias" so that the DC condition
of the driven stage isn't affected by the DC condition of the
driving stage.


Phil Allison wrote:

[Yet more *stupid, putrid]

Mr. Rivers' has a good point,


** What exactly was his point ???

Rivers post simply makes no sense at all - since he has no point at
all.

YOU must be an even bigger know nothing than he is.




............... Phil

"Scott Dorsey"
Phil Allison :

** I do THD tests on audio gear every day of my life.

So I already KNOW you are wrong.

Yes, but do you do useful ones?


** THD measurements on an electro is what **YOU** asked me to do !!!

So now you want to discredit them - after asking for them ???

Phil, for someone who is complaining about people putting words in your
mouth,
you're sure doing a lot of it to other folks.


** The words are right there in this thread - the quote from you is:

" You don't believe it, take a standard aluminum electrolytic, put a 1 KC
tone through it, and measure distortion with and without bias. "


YOUR words !!! YOU posted them !!!




Who are you?


** Someone a lot smarter than you it seems.





.............. Phil

"Scott Dorsey"
Phil Allison :

** I do THD tests on audio gear every day of my life.

So I already KNOW you are wrong.

Yes, but do you do useful ones?


** THD measurements on an electro is what **YOU** asked me to do !!!

So now you want to discredit them - after asking for them ???

Phil, for someone who is complaining about people putting words in your
mouth,
you're sure doing a lot of it to other folks.


** The words are right there in this thread - the quote from you is:

" You don't believe it, take a standard aluminum electrolytic, put a 1 KC
tone through it, and measure distortion with and without bias. "


YOUR words !!! YOU posted them !!!




Who are you?


** Someone a lot smarter than you it seems.





.............. Phil

"Mike Rivers"


http://sound.westhost.com/project66.htm

So Phil's a hobbyist who knows how to read application notes.


** Mike Rivers is just a mindless, stinking liar.



Love his distortion "specification"
"Distortion is low to unmeasurable because it is below the noise level at
high gains."
Like the man say, he makes these measurements all the time.


** No contradiction there all.



I see that he had to get someone else to edit his description, too.


** More of Mike Rivers idiot fabrications and damn lies.




............... Phil

"Mike Rivers"


http://sound.westhost.com/project66.htm

So Phil's a hobbyist who knows how to read application notes.


** Mike Rivers is just a mindless, stinking liar.



Love his distortion "specification"
"Distortion is low to unmeasurable because it is below the noise level at
high gains."
Like the man say, he makes these measurements all the time.


** No contradiction there all.



I see that he had to get someone else to edit his description, too.


** More of Mike Rivers idiot fabrications and damn lies.




............... Phil

In article writes:

** More of Mike Rivers idiot fabrications and damn lies.

It may be a conjecture, but not a fabrication. And it's only a lie if
I know the truth and stated something different. I don't yet know that
you can write intelligently without incorporating insults.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

** More of Mike Rivers idiot fabrications and damn lies.

It may be a conjecture, but not a fabrication. And it's only a lie if
I know the truth and stated something different. I don't yet know that
you can write intelligently without incorporating insults.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

"Phil Allison" wrote in message

"Mike Rivers"


http://sound.westhost.com/project66.htm

So Phil's a hobbyist who knows how to read application notes.


** Mike Rivers is just a mindless, stinking liar.

Aw come on! Mike's a good guy, has a lot of practical experience, and has
helped a lot of people with good, solid, practical advice. While he's not a
total theoretical heavy, he's got a good grasp of the basics and more. I've
never seen one grain of evidence that he ever seriously said something he
didn't believe in. And that can't be said of anybody who is a liar.

"Phil Allison" wrote in message

"Mike Rivers"


http://sound.westhost.com/project66.htm

So Phil's a hobbyist who knows how to read application notes.


** Mike Rivers is just a mindless, stinking liar.

Aw come on! Mike's a good guy, has a lot of practical experience, and has
helped a lot of people with good, solid, practical advice. While he's not a
total theoretical heavy, he's got a good grasp of the basics and more. I've
never seen one grain of evidence that he ever seriously said something he
didn't believe in. And that can't be said of anybody who is a liar.

"Mike Rivers"
Phil Allison:

** Replacing the context the Mike River's parrot deliberately snipped
again:


So Phil's a hobbyist who knows how to read application notes.

** More of Mike Rivers idiot fabrications and damn lies.


It may be a conjecture, but not a fabrication.


** It is malicious conjecture presented as fact about a person -
therefore it is fabricated and a lie.


And it's only a lie if I know the truth and stated something different.


** A "lie " is a falsehood - see any dictionary.

Since you constantly present falsehoods as if they are facts - a liar
is what you are.




............. Phil

"Mike Rivers"
Phil Allison:

** Replacing the context the Mike River's parrot deliberately snipped
again:


So Phil's a hobbyist who knows how to read application notes.

** More of Mike Rivers idiot fabrications and damn lies.


It may be a conjecture, but not a fabrication.


** It is malicious conjecture presented as fact about a person -
therefore it is fabricated and a lie.


And it's only a lie if I know the truth and stated something different.


** A "lie " is a falsehood - see any dictionary.

Since you constantly present falsehoods as if they are facts - a liar
is what you are.




............. Phil

"Arny Krueger" com...

Aw come on! Mike's a good guy, has a lot of practical experience, and has
helped a lot of people with good, solid, practical advice. While he's not
a
total theoretical heavy, he's got a good grasp of the basics and more.
I've
never seen one grain of evidence that he ever seriously said something he
didn't believe in. And that can't be said of anybody who is a liar.


** Arny - sometimes you are just plain wrong. This is one of them.

Mr Rivers' pathetic attempts to libel me gives me the **RIGHT** return the
favour.





............ Phil

"Arny Krueger" com...

Aw come on! Mike's a good guy, has a lot of practical experience, and has
helped a lot of people with good, solid, practical advice. While he's not
a
total theoretical heavy, he's got a good grasp of the basics and more.
I've
never seen one grain of evidence that he ever seriously said something he
didn't believe in. And that can't be said of anybody who is a liar.


** Arny - sometimes you are just plain wrong. This is one of them.

Mr Rivers' pathetic attempts to libel me gives me the **RIGHT** return the
favour.





............ Phil

In article ,
"Phil Allison" wrote:
** Arny - sometimes you are just plain wrong. This is one of them.

Mr Rivers' pathetic attempts to libel me gives me the **RIGHT** return the
favour.

....I'll agree... your attempts at libel were much more successful than
Mike's. In fact, I don't think Mike really had that in mind at all, so
he failed quite significantly to cast libelous statements upon you.

Now, a question for you. What's your problem? Why are you bothering us
here? Do you really get that excited about capacitors?


Regards,

Monte McGuire

In article ,
"Phil Allison" wrote:
** Arny - sometimes you are just plain wrong. This is one of them.

Mr Rivers' pathetic attempts to libel me gives me the **RIGHT** return the
favour.

....I'll agree... your attempts at libel were much more successful than
Mike's. In fact, I don't think Mike really had that in mind at all, so
he failed quite significantly to cast libelous statements upon you.

Now, a question for you. What's your problem? Why are you bothering us
here? Do you really get that excited about capacitors?


Regards,

Monte McGuire

"Monte McGuire"
"Phil Allison"
** Arny - sometimes you are just plain wrong. This is one of them.

Mr Rivers' pathetic attempts to libel me gives me the **RIGHT** return
the
favour.

...I'll agree... your attempts at libel were much more successful than
Mike's.


** So the obvious truth of them rang through.


In fact, I don't think Mike really had that in mind at all,


** In fact, there is little sign that you think at all.



Now, a question for you. What's your problem?


** More mindless libelling ....


Why are you bothering us here?


** Do simple facts about audio "bother " you - Monte ?

The truth only frightens charlatans - are you another one ?


BTW NGs are public forums not clubs - and you do not speak for
anyone.




............. Phil

"Monte McGuire"
"Phil Allison"
** Arny - sometimes you are just plain wrong. This is one of them.

Mr Rivers' pathetic attempts to libel me gives me the **RIGHT** return
the
favour.

...I'll agree... your attempts at libel were much more successful than
Mike's.


** So the obvious truth of them rang through.


In fact, I don't think Mike really had that in mind at all,


** In fact, there is little sign that you think at all.



Now, a question for you. What's your problem?


** More mindless libelling ....


Why are you bothering us here?


** Do simple facts about audio "bother " you - Monte ?

The truth only frightens charlatans - are you another one ?


BTW NGs are public forums not clubs - and you do not speak for
anyone.




............. Phil

"Phil Allison" wrote:

"Monte McGuire" weote:
Why are you bothering us here?

** Do simple facts about audio "bother " you - Monte ?
The truth only frightens charlatans - are you another one ?
BTW NGs are public forums not clubs - and you do not speak for anyone.
............ Phil

Actually, I believe Monte IS speaking for everyone.

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/

"Phil Allison" wrote:

"Monte McGuire" weote:
Why are you bothering us here?

** Do simple facts about audio "bother " you - Monte ?
The truth only frightens charlatans - are you another one ?
BTW NGs are public forums not clubs - and you do not speak for anyone.
............ Phil

Actually, I believe Monte IS speaking for everyone.

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/

On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:07:45 GMT, Monte McGuire
wrote:

In article ,
"Phil Allison" wrote:

{ nothing significant }

...I'll agree... your attempts at libel were much more successful than
Mike's. In fact, I don't think Mike really had that in mind at all, so
he failed quite significantly to cast libelous statements upon you.

Now, a question for you. What's your problem? Why are you bothering us
here? Do you really get that excited about capacitors?

They must have finally given him back too much **** for his
trolling of the sci.electronics.* hierarchy where I recall seeing him
before, so he decided to come over here to play.
As for the capacitors, I can think of a few puns. He's very insular
to reasoning, yet he's a conduit for flames. He gets a charge out of
being a troll on Usenet, causing much reactance to his posts.

Regards,

Monte McGuire

On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:07:45 GMT, Monte McGuire
wrote:

In article ,
"Phil Allison" wrote:

{ nothing significant }

...I'll agree... your attempts at libel were much more successful than
Mike's. In fact, I don't think Mike really had that in mind at all, so
he failed quite significantly to cast libelous statements upon you.

Now, a question for you. What's your problem? Why are you bothering us
here? Do you really get that excited about capacitors?

They must have finally given him back too much **** for his
trolling of the sci.electronics.* hierarchy where I recall seeing him
before, so he decided to come over here to play.
As for the capacitors, I can think of a few puns. He's very insular
to reasoning, yet he's a conduit for flames. He gets a charge out of
being a troll on Usenet, causing much reactance to his posts.

Regards,

Monte McGuire

"Harvey Gerst"
"Phil Allison"

BTW NGs are public forums not clubs - and you do not speak for anyone.


Actually, I believe Monte IS speaking for everyone.



** So every poster on this NG is a charlatan and frightened of simple
facts ??

So this is a club and not a public forum ??

You amaze me Harvey.





............ Phil

"Harvey Gerst"
"Phil Allison"

BTW NGs are public forums not clubs - and you do not speak for anyone.


Actually, I believe Monte IS speaking for everyone.



** So every poster on this NG is a charlatan and frightened of simple
facts ??

So this is a club and not a public forum ??

You amaze me Harvey.





............ Phil

Now, a question for you. What's your problem?


** More mindless libelling ....


Actually, that question has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue of libel.
Look it up in a dictionary.
Another question:
Why are you so ****ed off at everybody?


Scott Fraser

Now, a question for you. What's your problem?


** More mindless libelling ....


Actually, that question has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue of libel.
Look it up in a dictionary.
Another question:
Why are you so ****ed off at everybody?


Scott Fraser

"ScotFraser"

Now, a question for you. What's your problem?

** More mindless libelling ....


Actually, that question has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue of
libel.
Look it up in a dictionary.


Webster's 1913 Dictionary
Li´bel Pronunciation: li´bel
n. 1.
1. A brief writing of any kind, esp. a declaration, bill, certificate,
request, supplication, etc.
A libel of forsaking [divorcement].
- Wyclif (Matt. v. 31).
2. Any defamatory writing; a lampoon; a satire.
3. (Law) A malicious publication expressed either in print or in
writing, or by pictures, effigies, or other signs, tending to expose another
to public hatred, contempt, or ridicule. Such publication is indictable at
common law.
4. (Law) The crime of issuing a malicious defamatory publication.
5. (Civil Law & Courts of Admiralty) A written declaration or statement
by the plaintiff of his cause of action, and of the relief he seeks




Another question:
Why are you so ****ed off at everybody?


** See above - dickhead.




.............. Phil

"ScotFraser"

Now, a question for you. What's your problem?

** More mindless libelling ....


Actually, that question has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue of
libel.
Look it up in a dictionary.


Webster's 1913 Dictionary
Li´bel Pronunciation: li´bel
n. 1.
1. A brief writing of any kind, esp. a declaration, bill, certificate,
request, supplication, etc.
A libel of forsaking [divorcement].
- Wyclif (Matt. v. 31).
2. Any defamatory writing; a lampoon; a satire.
3. (Law) A malicious publication expressed either in print or in
writing, or by pictures, effigies, or other signs, tending to expose another
to public hatred, contempt, or ridicule. Such publication is indictable at
common law.
4. (Law) The crime of issuing a malicious defamatory publication.
5. (Civil Law & Courts of Admiralty) A written declaration or statement
by the plaintiff of his cause of action, and of the relief he seeks




Another question:
Why are you so ****ed off at everybody?


** See above - dickhead.




.............. Phil