Subject: I'm going to punt my VS-1680 - give me a recommendation on my
next syst
From: "Romeo Rondeau"
Date: 6/20/2004 10:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
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In article
writes:

I have been doing my homework on PT, Cubase, Nuendo, the Tascan SX-1,
but want to know if anyone out there has any particular advice to pick
one over the other, or to stay away from one or the other.

I primarily am going to use this to record myself and local
artists/small bands. The style of music will probably be guitar
based.

Turn off your computer. Buy an Ampex MM1200 and an MCI or Trident
console. Shouldn't cost you any more than a nicely equipped ProTools
or Nuendo system (except for tape - use less, make more decisions as
you record). Say "no" to software upgrades and obsolescence.

I'm really being somewhat serious here. Think about it

So, you're saying that the next step from a VS machine is a MM1200 and an
MCI or Trident? Interesting :-) Ok, I'm teasing a bit. How bout some good
outboard pre/ converters and a computer? Add a used d8b and stir well.


I thought the part about "saying no to obsolescence" right after he suggested
analog was the interesting part.

ok, ok... flame away.
-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

In article writes:

I thought the part about "saying no to obsolescence" right after he suggested
analog was the interesting part.

Thinking about the day when there will be no more analog recording
tape available? I suppose that will happen some time, but probably not
before there are multitrack digital recorders that are fully as
reliable and repairable (I don't believe they'll ever be cheap enough
to be truly disposable) as analog recorders.

I love my Mackie HDR24/96, but I doubt that it will last as long in
service as my Ampex MM1100 did (and it's probably still going). The
Ampex came with a manual containing schematics, wiring diagrams, parts
lists, and a Theory of Operation section that helps get through the
schematics. While there are some parts that can't be replaced by the
originals, there isn't really anything in there that doesn't have a
substitute that will work fine.

Mackie will provide a service manual on request, and it may be
possible to do a certain amount of board-level repair if there's a
component failure on a circuit board. However, there's EPROM code
which is, and as far as I can see, will remain in the vaults at
Mackie. When you need a new EPROM to make your recorder work and
there's no Mackie, the only way you'll be able to get it is from a
pirate with a PROM burner. I don't see Mackie owners sticking together
at this level of technology the way Ampex owners do.

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(Mike Rivers) wrote in message news:znr1087818333k@trad...
In article writes:

I thought the part about "saying no to obsolescence" right after he suggested
analog was the interesting part.

Thinking about the day when there will be no more analog recording
tape available? I suppose that will happen some time, but probably not
before there are multitrack digital recorders that are fully as
reliable and repairable (I don't believe they'll ever be cheap enough
to be truly disposable) as analog recorders.

I love my Mackie HDR24/96, but I doubt that it will last as long in
service as my Ampex MM1100 did (and it's probably still going). The
Ampex came with a manual containing schematics, wiring diagrams, parts
lists, and a Theory of Operation section that helps get through the
schematics. While there are some parts that can't be replaced by the
originals, there isn't really anything in there that doesn't have a
substitute that will work fine.

Mackie will provide a service manual on request, and it may be
possible to do a certain amount of board-level repair if there's a
component failure on a circuit board. However, there's EPROM code
which is, and as far as I can see, will remain in the vaults at
Mackie. When you need a new EPROM to make your recorder work and
there's no Mackie, the only way you'll be able to get it is from a
pirate with a PROM burner. I don't see Mackie owners sticking together
at this level of technology the way Ampex owners do.


The place you will get sucked into the void with a 2 inch 24 track is
at mixdown. You will need several good compressors and maybe some
expander/gate units as well.

A good option would be to go with something like a Tascam ATR-60 16
track. Do your core tracks on it. Get something like the Motu 24i so
you can bounce straight into it with your tracks. There you can
sweeten a bit and use some use something like Waves rennaissance
compressor pacage from Waves and voila.

Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com

In article writes:

The place you will get sucked into the void with a 2 inch 24 track is
at mixdown. You will need several good compressors and maybe some
expander/gate units as well.

Maybe that's true for you. I was working for more than 30 years
with two compressors before the RNC came out. Now I have three
compressors. I agree that pop music is based on squashing everything,
so you get a bunch of compressors. No big deal. It's only money. Or
you go to a very well equipped studio to mix.

A good option would be to go with something like a Tascam ATR-60 16
track. Do your core tracks on it. Get something like the Motu 24i so
you can bounce straight into it with your tracks. There you can
sweeten a bit and use some use something like Waves rennaissance
compressor pacage from Waves and voila.

But my idea was to get rid of the computer other than perhaps for
mixdown. If you're going that route, you might as well just record to
the computer and be done with it. And you can record a bejillion
tracks and spend the next six months deciding whether the first
syllable in Loooooo-uve in take 18 was better than the one in take
two.



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I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

But my idea was to get rid of the computer other than perhaps for
mixdown. If you're going that route, you might as well just record to
the computer and be done with it. And you can record a bejillion
tracks and spend the next six months deciding whether the first
syllable in Loooooo-uve in take 18 was better than the one in take
two.

I don't really record that way, I just use it as I would a tape machine.