and many will not accept the strings attached when religion offers
George

Oh, and there are no "strings" attached to the government paying for things? At
least the church help is paid for by people who give the money voluntarily..of
course you will think that they are being threatened with eternal
damnation..I'm sure.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

In article ,
(Blind Joni) wrote:

and many will not accept the strings attached when religion offers
George

Oh, and there are no "strings" attached to the government paying for things?
At
least the church help is paid for by people who give the money
voluntarily..of
course you will think that they are being threatened with eternal
damnation..I'm sure.

except when voluntairly you mean my tax dollars given to christian
churches by GW's "faith based initives" to fight the evils of gay
marriage and other"worthy" causes
and you were the one who brought up the whole church thing that I have
addressed
George

George wrote:
In article ,
(Blind Joni) wrote:


and many will not accept the strings attached when religion offers
George

Oh, and there are no "strings" attached to the government paying for things?
At
least the church help is paid for by people who give the money
voluntarily..of
course you will think that they are being threatened with eternal
damnation..I'm sure.


except when voluntairly you mean my tax dollars given to christian
churches by GW's "faith based initives" to fight the evils of gay
marriage and other"worthy" causes
and you were the one who brought up the whole church thing that I have
addressed
George

Don't forget church's tax-exempt status, an indirect subsidy from all us taxpayers.

In article , S O'Neill
wrote:

George wrote:
In article ,
(Blind Joni) wrote:


and many will not accept the strings attached when religion offers
George

Oh, and there are no "strings" attached to the government paying for
things?
At
least the church help is paid for by people who give the money
voluntarily..of
course you will think that they are being threatened with eternal
damnation..I'm sure.


except when voluntairly you mean my tax dollars given to christian
churches by GW's "faith based initives" to fight the evils of gay
marriage and other"worthy" causes
and you were the one who brought up the whole church thing that I have
addressed
George

Don't forget church's tax-exempt status, an indirect subsidy from all us
taxpayers.


And as they get further into politics, this has to change.

-Jay
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x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x-------- http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jay/ ----------x

"Jay Kadis" wrote in message
...
In article , S O'Neill

wrote:

George wrote:
In article ,
(Blind Joni) wrote:


and many will not accept the strings attached when religion offers
George

Oh, and there are no "strings" attached to the government paying for
things?
At
least the church help is paid for by people who give the money
voluntarily..of
course you will think that they are being threatened with eternal
damnation..I'm sure.


except when voluntairly you mean
holding out eternal salvation that is subtly tied to what you put in the
collection plate
or the rolex wearing mercedes driving preacher prying food money from
wheelchair bound and crippled destitue people
people (mistakenly) feel they can buy forgivness(except from the catholic
church that makes that a policy)
there will always be a lineof "faithful" ready to give money they can't
afford to a church that is doing "god's work", as if God couldn't do what
ever , anyway
BTW John, if you don't like people ranting against churchs , perhaps you
could stop injecting them into every conversation.
george


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BTW John, if you don't like people ranting against churchs , perhaps you
could stop injecting them into every conversation.
george

We were talking about organizations that help people in need..sound in context
to me.
I wasn't bashing any alternative..just offering another. And if we didn't
discuss things someone didn't like.................

John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

BTW John, if you don't like people ranting against churchs , perhaps you
could stop injecting them into every conversation.
george

We were talking about organizations that help people in need..sound in context
to me.
I wasn't bashing any alternative..just offering another. And if we didn't
discuss things someone didn't like.................

John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

"Jay Kadis" wrote in message
...
In article , S O'Neill

wrote:

George wrote:
In article ,
(Blind Joni) wrote:


and many will not accept the strings attached when religion offers
George

Oh, and there are no "strings" attached to the government paying for
things?
At
least the church help is paid for by people who give the money
voluntarily..of
course you will think that they are being threatened with eternal
damnation..I'm sure.


except when voluntairly you mean
holding out eternal salvation that is subtly tied to what you put in the
collection plate
or the rolex wearing mercedes driving preacher prying food money from
wheelchair bound and crippled destitue people
people (mistakenly) feel they can buy forgivness(except from the catholic
church that makes that a policy)
there will always be a lineof "faithful" ready to give money they can't
afford to a church that is doing "god's work", as if God couldn't do what
ever , anyway
BTW John, if you don't like people ranting against churchs , perhaps you
could stop injecting them into every conversation.
george


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Jay Kadis wrote:

In article , S O'Neill
wrote:

George wrote:

Oh, and there are no "strings" attached to the government paying for
things? At least the church help is paid for by people who give the
money voluntarily...of course you will think that they are being
threatened with eternal damnation..I'm sure.


except when voluntairly you mean my tax dollars given to christian
churches by GW's "faith based initives" to fight the evils of gay
marriage and other"worthy" causes
and you were the one who brought up the whole church thing that
I have addressed


Don't forget church's tax-exempt status, an indirect subsidy from
all us taxpayers.


And as they get further into politics, this has to change.


Good luck.

(Very) roughly quoting Susan Jacoby: "Religion is (and has for a long time) been quite well protected from government in this country. The increasing problem we face is protecting government from religion."

Jay Kadis wrote:

In article , S O'Neill
wrote:

George wrote:

Oh, and there are no "strings" attached to the government paying for
things? At least the church help is paid for by people who give the
money voluntarily...of course you will think that they are being
threatened with eternal damnation..I'm sure.


except when voluntairly you mean my tax dollars given to christian
churches by GW's "faith based initives" to fight the evils of gay
marriage and other"worthy" causes
and you were the one who brought up the whole church thing that
I have addressed


Don't forget church's tax-exempt status, an indirect subsidy from
all us taxpayers.


And as they get further into politics, this has to change.


Good luck.

(Very) roughly quoting Susan Jacoby: "Religion is (and has for a long time) been quite well protected from government in this country. The increasing problem we face is protecting government from religion."

In article , S O'Neill
wrote:

George wrote:
In article ,
(Blind Joni) wrote:


and many will not accept the strings attached when religion offers
George

Oh, and there are no "strings" attached to the government paying for
things?
At
least the church help is paid for by people who give the money
voluntarily..of
course you will think that they are being threatened with eternal
damnation..I'm sure.


except when voluntairly you mean my tax dollars given to christian
churches by GW's "faith based initives" to fight the evils of gay
marriage and other"worthy" causes
and you were the one who brought up the whole church thing that I have
addressed
George

Don't forget church's tax-exempt status, an indirect subsidy from all us
taxpayers.


And as they get further into politics, this has to change.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x-------- http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jay/ ----------x

George wrote:
In article ,
(Blind Joni) wrote:


and many will not accept the strings attached when religion offers
George

Oh, and there are no "strings" attached to the government paying for things?
At
least the church help is paid for by people who give the money
voluntarily..of
course you will think that they are being threatened with eternal
damnation..I'm sure.


except when voluntairly you mean my tax dollars given to christian
churches by GW's "faith based initives" to fight the evils of gay
marriage and other"worthy" causes
and you were the one who brought up the whole church thing that I have
addressed
George

Don't forget church's tax-exempt status, an indirect subsidy from all us taxpayers.

you were the one who brought up the whole church thing that I have
addressed

I agree..I was speaking of my own church in particular.

John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

you were the one who brought up the whole church thing that I have
addressed

I agree..I was speaking of my own church in particular.

John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

In article ,
(Blind Joni) wrote:

and many will not accept the strings attached when religion offers
George

Oh, and there are no "strings" attached to the government paying for things?
At
least the church help is paid for by people who give the money
voluntarily..of
course you will think that they are being threatened with eternal
damnation..I'm sure.

except when voluntairly you mean my tax dollars given to christian
churches by GW's "faith based initives" to fight the evils of gay
marriage and other"worthy" causes
and you were the one who brought up the whole church thing that I have
addressed
George