I was half listening to TV the other day, and I heard someone say that
of the lawsuits that the RIAA has brought against mp3 downloaders,
none of them have actually gone to court. So, are they simply
intimidating people into settling?

"Doc" wrote in message
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I was half listening to TV the other day, and I heard someone say that
of the lawsuits that the RIAA has brought against mp3 downloaders,
none of them have actually gone to court. So, are they simply
intimidating people into settling?

Would you go to court against the RIAA?

ryanm

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"Doc" wrote in message
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I was half listening to TV the other day, and I heard someone say that
of the lawsuits that the RIAA has brought against mp3 downloaders,
none of them have actually gone to court. So, are they simply
intimidating people into settling?

Would you go to court against the RIAA?

Not if I was 12.

"ryanm" wrote in message ...
"Doc" wrote in message
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I was half listening to TV the other day, and I heard someone say that
of the lawsuits that the RIAA has brought against mp3 downloaders,
none of them have actually gone to court. So, are they simply
intimidating people into settling?

Would you go to court against the RIAA?

ryanm


If it's a jury trial and the jury knows about their right of JURY NULLIFICATION

then maybe.

If it's a jury trial and the jury knows about their right of JURY
NULLIFICATION

To spend the money to go to trial it better be a big case.



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(Mark) wrote in message . com...
"ryanm" wrote in message news:
Would you go to court against the RIAA?

ryanm

If it's a jury trial and the jury knows about their right of JURY NULLIFICATION

then maybe.

A Google search of that term turned up some *very* interesting information.

Thanks for mentioning it. I consider myself pretty well-informed, but I had
never heard of that jury power before.

-DrBoom

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I was half listening to TV the other day, and I heard someone say that
of the lawsuits that the RIAA has brought against mp3 downloaders,
none of them have actually gone to court. So, are they simply
intimidating people into settling?

A good lawyer sould always have that as his primary goal when filing a
lawsuit.



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Not if I was 12.

How about, not unless you have 12 good lawyers on retainer.

ryanm

"Mark" wrote in message
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If it's a jury trial and the jury knows about their right of JURY
NULLIFICATION

then maybe.

Wouldn't matter, the RIAA lawyer would just start talking about those
poor starving artists from whom this evil person has been
"steeeeeeeeeeeeeling" and it would be all over.

ryanm

ryanm

If it's a jury trial and the jury knows about their right of JURY
NULLIFICATION

then maybe.

A Google search of that term turned up some *very* interesting information.

Thanks for mentioning it. I consider myself pretty well-informed, but I
had
never heard of that jury power before.

-DrBoom



It is an absolute power with a jury and dates back to the Magna Carta A jury
is immune from its decision.

A jury cannot be imprisoned or otherwise sanctioned because a judge does not
agree with the sentence.

The jury, though instructed to "follow the instructions of the judge and the
law" may vote its conscience on any issue. (just see how far a pot charge goes
in Alaska. Though still against the law, prosecutors have quit trying to get
convictions)

If one is tried by jury and acquitted, he may not face that same charge again.

Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

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"Mark" wrote in message
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If it's a jury trial and the jury knows about their right of JURY
NULLIFICATION

then maybe.

Wouldn't matter, the RIAA lawyer would just start talking about those
poor starving artists from whom this evil person has been
"steeeeeeeeeeeeeling" and it would be all over.

I met one of the RIAA's legal advisors. She's a professor at a Northern
NJ college.

Don't know what their other lawyers are like, but she was a first class
a**hole.

--Nick

"Doc" wrote in message
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...are they simply
intimidating people into settling?

A few grand in a settlement is lots better than spending tens of thousands
for lawyers and a few hundred grand more if you should lose. On top of that,
copyright infringement is ALSO a criminal offense that can earn you jail
time. The RIAA has treated these people a lot kinder than they needed to.

--
Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN
Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control
Over 40 years making people sound better than they ever imagined!
615.385.8051 http://www.hyperback.com

"Bob Olhsson" wrote in message ...
"Doc" wrote in message
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...are they simply
intimidating people into settling?

A few grand in a settlement is lots better than spending tens of thousands
for lawyers and a few hundred grand more if you should lose. On top of that,
copyright infringement is ALSO a criminal offense that can earn you jail
time. The RIAA has treated these people a lot kinder than they needed to.

In my opinion the RIAA is a shakedown mob.

Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com

In my opinion the RIAA is a shakedown mob.

Based on?



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(EggHd) wrote in message ...
In my opinion the RIAA is a shakedown mob.

Based on?

Well, its members don't seem to want to make much effort to pay
royalties unless prodded by legal authorities:

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2004/may/may4a_04.html

It seems that settling in the face of a slam-dunk case against
them was enough to earn some brownie points from the DA.

ASCAP and BMI are worse in the shakedown department than
the RIAA, however.

-DrBoom

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Richard Kuschel wrote:

The jury, though instructed to "follow the instructions of the judge and the
law" may vote its conscience on any issue. (just see how far a pot charge goes
in Alaska. Though still against the law, prosecutors have quit trying to get
convictions)

If one is tried by jury and acquitted, he may not face that same charge again.

A protest verdict and a jury nullification are hand-in-glove, but they
are not the same thing.

"NJD" wrote in message
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lawyers
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first class a**hole.

Redundant.

ryanm

A protest verdict and a jury nullification are hand-in-glove, but they
are not the same thing.



Please explain

Kind regards,
Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

(EggHd) wrote in message ...
In my opinion the RIAA is a shakedown mob.

Based on?



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Based on they represent a set of musicians and publishers etc who are
only a small percentage of those producing original music, and they
fight to procure most of the benefits or profits from music for that
small percentage while fighting to force anyone who would think
otherwise to go through their gauntlet initiation line. That takes
the form of things like royalties being charged on music CD's and any
device that can record music CD's sold at the consumer level. As I
have stated before, not only do most creative artist not benefit from
the efforts of the RIAA, they are victimized by them.

How many industries do you know currently that have statutory rates
and royalty and profit distribution agencies mandated by congress? It
sounds good on paper as an idea to protect artists but no artist can
really rely on any of those benefits or laws unless they have the
power behind them to recoup what is owed to them and that essentially
means they are forced to go through the same old channels and pay
their tributes to the 1000 pound gorillas.

And those statistics about CD sales going down are not accurate. You
probably have read the Janis Ian article but I will reiterate that the
number of CD's even by prominent artists like Janis Ian that are not
tracked by soundscan is significant because of their ability to sell
them at their gigs and online etc. That is money that the RIAA and
their cronies see slipping throught their hands. They have no right to
it, but they are thugs. So what do you expect.

Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com

Based on they represent a set of musicians and publishers etc who are
only a small percentage of those producing original music, and they
fight to procure most of the benefits or profits from music for that
small percentage while fighting to force anyone who would think
otherwise to go through their gauntlet initiation line.

I'm not sure I follow all of that. Do they care about you or I making music
and selling it a gigs?

As I have stated before, not only do most creative artist not benefit from
the efforts of the RIAA, they are victimized by them.

Because they attach a royalty to some blank CDs?

How many industries do you know currently that have statutory rates
and royalty and profit distribution agencies mandated by congress?

How many?

And those statistics about CD sales going down are not accurate.

And you are going to back this up by Janis Ian how hasn't made a hit album
since 1976 as someone who is selling indie now but didn't in '99?

That is money that the RIAA and
their cronies see slipping throught their hands.

How so?




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