Mike Rivers wrote:
In article
writes:

Also, they're really good canoe trip instruments; if you don't lose
or destroy the Ovation you always have a spare paddle. This is great
for that famous creek.

It's no coincidence that Ovation is a Kamann company, which also makes
canoes.

It also make copter rotors. Just the ticket for energetic stage-acts.


geoff

Rob Reedijk wrote:
Geoff Wood -nospam wrote:

They do. Works for live at a pinch like all piezo pickups, but a
mic is much better. Unless you area purist woody-onlyguitar-snob,
in which case nothing is appropriate.

I am not! I also detest Takamines.

I've never heard a piezo pikup on any acoustic that sounded anythig other
than "clanky-screetchy". But my Ovation Legend (deep bowl) sounds beautiful
acoustically, and I've heard quite a few good-sounding Takamines too !

geoff


One of the best sounding acustics that I ever heard was an Ovation carbor top
without pickups installed. Loud, clean and even response.

The installation of pickups on guitars really kills sound.

The Ovation pickups are really heavy and really mute the sound, but amplified
are passable.

I'm not going to get into the wood/plastic debate. There are a lot of great
sounding all wood guitars that I would much rather own than an Ovation, but at
least an Ovation is replaceable with virtually the same instrument if damaged,
destroyed or stolen. The same can't be said for that "guitar of a lifetime"
Martin. (or whatever your instrument of choice is)
Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

at
least an Ovation is replaceable with virtually the same instrument if damaged,
destroyed or stolen.

This is true of synthesizers as well.

The same can't be said for that "guitar of a lifetime"
Martin. (or whatever your instrument of choice is)

This is true of all fine instruments.




Scott Fraser

the islander wrote:

Did I screw up here.. then what was the CK1....a Bioad card.and the
Ck2 an omni??

Here's what I can currently find in my old catalog files for the C 451:

CK 1: cardioid, slightly/smoothly rising high-frequency response
CK 1S: cardioid, ca. 6 dB peak centered around ~10 kHz
CK 2: omni, which as I recall had a moderate high-frequency peak on axis
CK 22: omni optimized for close-up vocals; 1 or 2 dB rise on-axis, and
extra protection against wind and breath noise
CK 3: supercardioid with gently rolled-off low-frequency response
CK 4: bi-directional (figure-8 with two membranes and oversized "head")
CK 5: cardioid with broader high-frequency rise and integral windscreen
CK 8: short shotgun, gradually rising frequency response
CK 9: long shotgun, more sharply defined low cut and high-frequency peak

Some of these capsules were introduced a number of years after others, and
some appear to have been discontinued or superseded before others were.

David Satz wrote:
the islander wrote:

Did I screw up here.. then what was the CK1....a Bioad card.and the
Ck2 an omni??

Here's what I can currently find in my old catalog files for the C 451:

CK 1: cardioid, slightly/smoothly rising high-frequency response
CK 1S: cardioid, ca. 6 dB peak centered around ~10 kHz
CK 2: omni, which as I recall had a moderate high-frequency peak on axis
CK 22: omni optimized for close-up vocals; 1 or 2 dB rise on-axis, and
extra protection against wind and breath noise
CK 3: supercardioid with gently rolled-off low-frequency response
CK 4: bi-directional (figure-8 with two membranes and oversized "head")
CK 5: cardioid with broader high-frequency rise and integral windscreen
CK 8: short shotgun, gradually rising frequency response
CK 9: long shotgun, more sharply defined low cut and high-frequency peak

Some of these capsules were introduced a number of years after others, and
some appear to have been discontinued or superseded before others were.

Aha! What about the ck6?

3 pattern head. Inside the cage there is a ck1 and ck2 side-by-side giving
cardioid, omni, and figure 8 patterns.

Rob R.

In article writes:

Aha! What about the ck6?

3 pattern head. Inside the cage there is a ck1 and ck2 side-by-side giving
cardioid, omni, and figure 8 patterns.

How do you make a figure-8 out of those two patterns? I can't find
that model in any of my catalogs either, but are you sure it didn't
have two figre-8s in it rather than a cardioid and an omni?


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On Sat, 8 May 2004 10:06:59 -0400, Richard Kuschel wrote
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Rob Reedijk wrote:
Geoff Wood -nospam wrote:

They do. Works for live at a pinch like all piezo pickups, but a
mic is much better. Unless you area purist woody-onlyguitar-snob,
in which case nothing is appropriate.

I am not! I also detest Takamines.

I've never heard a piezo pikup on any acoustic that sounded anythig other
than "clanky-screetchy". But my Ovation Legend (deep bowl) sounds
beautiful
acoustically, and I've heard quite a few good-sounding Takamines too !

geoff


One of the best sounding acustics that I ever heard was an Ovation carbor top
without pickups installed. Loud, clean and even response.

The installation of pickups on guitars really kills sound.

The Ovation pickups are really heavy and really mute the sound, but amplified
are passable.

I'm not going to get into the wood/plastic debate. There are a lot of great
sounding all wood guitars that I would much rather own than an Ovation, but
at
least an Ovation is replaceable with virtually the same instrument if
damaged,
destroyed or stolen. The same can't be said for that "guitar of a lifetime"
Martin. (or whatever your instrument of choice is)


Wow. I've never heard an Ovation that sounded like a real guitar. It's nice
to know they exist.

Regards,

Ty Ford

Rob Reedijk wrote:

3 pattern head. Inside the cage there is a ck1 and ck2 side-by-side
giving cardioid, omni, and figure 8 patterns.


whereupon Mike Rivers wrote:

How do you make a figure-8 out of those two patterns? I can't find
that model in any of my catalogs either, but are you sure it didn't
have two figre-8s in it rather than a cardioid and an omni?

I vaguely remember hearing about a capsule like that. You can derive a
figure-8 pattern by polarizing the omni to a lower-than-normal voltage
(to make its frontal sensitivity exactly one-half that of the cardioid),
inverting its polarity, then mixing its signal with that of the cardioid.

This works because any cardioid is equal to the superposition of an omni
with a figure-8 that has equal front sensitivity. If you think in terms
of cardioid = (omni + figure-8)/2 and solve for figure-8, you'll get
figure-8 = 2 * cardioid - omni. But you can't safely double a capsule's
normal polarization voltage, so you end up scaling the voltage downward
in the one whose contribution to the mix should be lessened.

The figure-8 that you get may not be the world's greatest, but the omni
setting will be a real pressure transducer. It can have flat response
down to the lowest audio frequencies, without proximity effect or (much)
sensitivity to wind noise or solid-borne sound--unlike an "omni" that is
composed by adding two cardioids as in most electrically switchable
multi-pattern capsules or microphones.

--best regards