"Marc Phillips" wrote in message
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Mr. Middius said:

As a possibly former conservative,

Why abandon conservative viewpoints? Because of Bush? He is not a
conservative.

I must say that my objections to taxes have
never really been about the AMOUNT of taxes taken from my paycheck,
but the
needlessly complicated and inefficient way the government takes those
funds.
We have created a cottage industry based upon the fact that the tax system
is
too complicated for the average taxpayer to understand. Not only do we
pay
taxes, but we have to pay others to pay our taxes for us.

I've always been for a flat tax, or a national sales tax, or something
similar.
Get rid of the loopholes for the rich.

I keep reading about loopholes but I cant find any to help me out. Guess
I'm not rich enough. I saw one guy complaining about the tax exemption
status of munies and how only rich people buy munies. Bunch of bull.
Eliminate munies tax exemption and cities and states will just have to pay
higher interest and guess who pays that.

Have everyone pay the same percentage.
Offer exemptions for those under the poverty level and that's it.

I agree 100%. Problem is.... same percentage of what? Taxable income?
What is taxable income? Interests Dividends... Capital gains?
I go for the National sales tax with a rebate for people below poverty.
Everybody pays the same on what they spend. That will encourage savings as
well.
Maybe we won't have to pay off those bonds in the social security trust
fund.

ScottW

The rebate still means paperwork. How about a national sales tax with
exemptions for the essentials - food, shelter, health care and education?


I go for the National sales tax with a rebate for people below poverty.

"John Williams" wrote in message
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The rebate still means paperwork. How about a national sales tax with
exemptions for the essentials - food, shelter, health care and education?


Wouldn't that stimulate our purchasing items from overseas rather than
from domestic sources?

"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
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"John Williams" wrote in message
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The rebate still means paperwork. How about a national sales tax with
exemptions for the essentials - food, shelter, health care and
education?


I don't see how - many foods are grown locally. Shelter, health care and
education are certainly provided locally.

Wouldn't that stimulate our purchasing items from overseas rather than
from domestic sources?

"John Williams" wrote in message
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The rebate still means paperwork. How about a national sales tax with
exemptions for the essentials - food, shelter, health care and education?


I go for the National sales tax with a rebate for people below poverty.


No sales tax, there's to many states that have them already and nobody
escapes. A flat tax with exemption for anybody below 35,000 has been
previously proposed and the numbers seemed top work. The problem,
homeowners will lose their mortgage deduction.

If there must be an income tax, I like the idea of everybody paying some
tax, since the country belongs to everybody and is supposed to be protecting
everybody. .

I agree with you in principle, however, the flat tax primarily shifts the
tax burden from the wealthy to the middle class. I doubt that the majority
of the middle class would be very happy about that.


No sales tax, there's to many states that have them already and nobody
escapes. A flat tax with exemption for anybody below 35,000 has been
previously proposed and the numbers seemed top work. The problem,
homeowners will lose their mortgage deduction.

If there must be an income tax, I like the idea of everybody paying some
tax, since the country belongs to everybody and is supposed to be
protecting
everybody. .

"John Williams" wrote in message
...

I agree with you in principle, however, the flat tax primarily shifts the
tax burden from the wealthy to the middle class. I doubt that the
majority
of the middle class would be very happy about that.

If there's going to be an income tax it should be the same rate for
everyone.
The rich will still pay more dollars.



No sales tax, there's to many states that have them already and nobody
escapes. A flat tax with exemption for anybody below 35,000 has been
previously proposed and the numbers seemed top work. The problem,
homeowners will lose their mortgage deduction.

If there must be an income tax, I like the idea of everybody paying some
tax, since the country belongs to everybody and is supposed to be
protecting
everybody. .

ScottW said:

As a possibly former conservative,

Why abandon conservative viewpoints? Because of Bush? He is not a
conservative.

Actually, I probably meant former Republican. I'll fall back on that
relatively new chestnut that I'm a fiscal conservative, but a social liberal.

I'm a blue state conservative...how's that?

Boon

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

ScottW said:

As a possibly former conservative,

Why abandon conservative viewpoints? Because of Bush? He is not a
conservative.

Actually, I probably meant former Republican. I'll fall back on that
relatively new chestnut that I'm a fiscal conservative, but a social
liberal.

I'm a blue state conservative...how's that?

How about you're a pro-choice pro-gay Nazi?

Schizoid Man said:

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

ScottW said:

As a possibly former conservative,

Why abandon conservative viewpoints? Because of Bush? He is not a
conservative.

Actually, I probably meant former Republican. I'll fall back on that
relatively new chestnut that I'm a fiscal conservative, but a social
liberal.

I'm a blue state conservative...how's that?

How about you're a pro-choice pro-gay Nazi?

Pro-choice, yes. I'm not sure what it means to be "pro-gay." And I'm
definitely not a Nazi.

Try again.

Boon

Marc Phillips wrote:

Pro-choice, yes. I'm not sure what it means to be "pro-gay." And I'm
definitely not a Nazi.

Try again.

I have it on good authority you are in fact an
antidisestablishmentarian.

--
Law of Storms

"My God, it's full of stars..."

Law Of Storms said:

Marc Phillips wrote:

Pro-choice, yes. I'm not sure what it means to be "pro-gay." And I'm
definitely not a Nazi.

Try again.

I have it on good authority you are in fact an
antidisestablishmentarian.

God, I've missed you!

Boon

Marc Phillips wrote:
Law Of Storms said:


Marc Phillips wrote:


Pro-choice, yes. I'm not sure what it means to be "pro-gay." And I'm
definitely not a Nazi.

Try again.

I have it on good authority you are in fact an
antidisestablishmentarian.


God, I've missed you!

Let's get married!

That'll show 'em.

Sequins make my butt all shiny and irresistible.

--
Law of Storms

"My God, it's full of stars..."

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

Pro-choice, yes. I'm not sure what it means to be "pro-gay." And I'm
definitely not a Nazi.

Pro-gay probably means that you disagree with the Scalia/Thomas view that
sodomy is unconstitutional and should be regulated by law enforcement.

Schizoid Man wrote:
"Marc Phillips" wrote in message


Pro-choice, yes. I'm not sure what it means to be "pro-gay." And I'm
definitely not a Nazi.


Pro-gay probably means that you disagree with the Scalia/Thomas view that
sodomy is unconstitutional and should be regulated by law enforcement.


....or that "free speech" shouldn't be recorded...

--
Law of Storms

"My God, it's full of stars..."

"Law of Storms" wrote in message
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Schizoid Man wrote:
"Marc Phillips" wrote in message


Pro-choice, yes. I'm not sure what it means to be "pro-gay." And I'm
definitely not a Nazi.


Pro-gay probably means that you disagree with the Scalia/Thomas view that
sodomy is unconstitutional and should be regulated by law enforcement.


...or that "free speech" shouldn't be recorded...

--
Free speech refers to political speech, not terrorist speech.


Law of Storms

"My God, it's full of stars..."

"Schizoid Man" wrote in message
...

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

Pro-choice, yes. I'm not sure what it means to be "pro-gay." And I'm
definitely not a Nazi.

Pro-gay probably means that you disagree with the Scalia/Thomas view that
sodomy is unconstitutional and should be regulated by law enforcement.

Provide a quote of that?

"Michael McKelvy" wrote in message

"Schizoid Man" wrote in message

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

Pro-choice, yes. I'm not sure what it means to be "pro-gay." And I'm
definitely not a Nazi.

Pro-gay probably means that you disagree with the Scalia/Thomas view
that
sodomy is unconstitutional and should be regulated by law enforcement.

Provide a quote of that?

"Pro-gay probably means that you disagree with the Scalia/Thomas view that
sodomy is unconstitutional and should be regulated by law enforcement." -
Schizoid Man, November 19, 2004

Schizoid Man said:

"Marc Phillips" wrote in message

Pro-choice, yes. I'm not sure what it means to be "pro-gay." And I'm
definitely not a Nazi.

Pro-gay probably means that you disagree with the Scalia/Thomas view that
sodomy is unconstitutional and should be regulated by law enforcement.

Well, I would disagree with that. But "pro-gay" implies that it matters what I
think about the sexual preference of others. It doesn't, and it shouldn't.

Boon

You, my friend, are a libertarian.

Actually, I probably meant former Republican. I'll fall back on that
relatively new chestnut that I'm a fiscal conservative, but a social
liberal.

John Williams wrote:

Actually, I probably meant former Republican. I'll fall back on that
relatively new chestnut that I'm a fiscal conservative, but a social
liberal.

You, my friend, are a libertarian.


Libertarians are not social *liberals.*

--
Law of Storms

"My God, it's full of stars..."

John Williams wrote:

You, my friend, are a libertarian.


Actually, I probably meant former Republican. I'll fall back on that
relatively new chestnut that I'm a fiscal conservative, but a social

liberal.

That is what Republicans used to be a long long time ago.

Now their party is so far right that they sound like Libertarians
by comparison.