"Arny Krueger" said:

deWaal wants to condemn wave soldering, but he's poorly advised to do so.
deWaal exposes his ignorance and prejudices often, and this is just another
example.

Krueger wants us to believe that production lines at Hewlett Packard
are of the same quality as those of Japanese mass-production companies
like Kenwood.

Wave soldeing is a well-proven process that works well when properly applied
and controlled.

Irrelevant. We were discussing the quality of PCB soldering of
consumer electronics, something I have extended experience with.
I estimate that 50% of the problems are solved by resoldering PCBs.

Wave soldering was THE standard way to solder electronic circuit cards until
SMT became popular.

No argument from me here.

Wave soldeing was used for electronic assembly at a wide variety of price
and quality points. It's still being used where it fits.

Heyhey! A wide variety of price and quality.
Thanks for admitting that wave soldering isn't always of such high
quality.

Thanks for exposing your own ignorance and stupidity, Fella.

Thanks for exposing your......how shall I say it.....borgishness,
Arnold.

Knowing you, you'd probably think of that as a compliment.
Go figure!

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

"Sander deWaal" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" said:

deWaal wants to condemn wave soldering, but he's poorly advised to
do so. deWaal exposes his ignorance and prejudices often, and this
is just another example.

Krueger wants us to believe that production lines at Hewlett Packard
are of the same quality as those of Japanese mass-production companies
like Kenwood.

Not at all. However, in the days before SMT both production lines no doubt
used wave soldering. This contrasts with de Waal's blanket indictment of
wave soldering,

Wave soldeing is a well-proven process that works well when properly
applied and controlled.

Irrelevant.

Dismissive of a relevant point.

We were discussing the quality of PCB soldering of
consumer electronics, something I have extended experience with.

That may be, but in the processed you condemned all wave-soldering:

"Ageing PCBs that went through a soldering wave bath usually give problems
after several years."

Fact of the matter is that ageing PCBs that went though a soldering wave
bath are usually trouble free. Most soldering problems become apparent
shortly after the equipment is built.

I estimate that 50% of the problems are solved by resoldering PCBs.

I estimate that only a tiny percentage of all wave-soldered circuit boards
have problems due to soldering.

Wave soldering was THE standard way to solder electronic circuit
cards until SMT became popular.

No argument from me here.

OK, then why the blanket condemnation of wave soldering?

Wave soldeing was used for electronic assembly at a wide variety of
price and quality points. It's still being used where it fits.

Heyhey! A wide variety of price and quality.


Thanks for admitting that wave soldering isn't always of such high
quality.

Thats not an indictment of the wave soldering process, its an indictment of
build quality for whenever its substandard.

Thanks for exposing your own ignorance and stupidity, Fella.

Thanks for exposing your......how shall I say it.....borgishness,
Arnold.

Borgishness is something you might aspire to, Sander. However, you seem to
lack the high intelligence and open-mindedness typical of members of the
Borg empire.

Knowing you, you'd probably think of that as a compliment.

We rule technology. Nuff said!

Go figure!

Nothing like winning!