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From: "Arny Krueger" Date: 8/27/2004 4:19 AM Pacific Standard Time Message-id: "JBorg" wrote in message om Pooh Bear wrote: The 6L6 ( or whatever ) is still around in its original form since it isn't capable of being significantly improved. It's stuck in a time warp so to speak. Agreed. You believed that SS op-amp seems to be going strong after 30 yrs while 6L6 tubes, otoh, are stuck in this "time warp" and so cannot be significantly improve but yet, audiophiles continue to appreciate and embrace these tubes by buying millions of them today. Turntablists whose interests are making music far less so than reproducing music, have created a short-term bulge in the sales of turntables. That doesn't account for sales in the high end. I'll believe that as soon as you produce audited, high-end only sales figures. I still remember the US Rega distributor when he was dancing in the street because he was selling more than two dozen turntables a month. Similarly, guitarists whose interests are making clearly music and not reproducing music, have created a long-term but declining market share for tubed MI equipment. As opposed to the musicians who buy amps in the interest of reproducing music? Is there some bizarre dichotomy in the guitar amp world? Thanks for demonstrating your support for people who base their home audio systems on guitar amps. Therefore, while we know that tubes are widely sold as specialty items primarily for rock musicans, we know far less about the sales of tubes to audiophiles. Nah, you know little about it but these sales are hardly a secret to those who wish to find out. I'll believe that as soon as you produce audited, high-end only sales figures. In the Detroit area there are any number of music stores selling tubed guitar amps. AFAIK there is only one small hole-in-the-wall audio store that sells tubed equipment. It does not exclusively sell tubed equipment and I don't know what proportion of its miniscule sales are tubed equipment. Sorry to hear that High end audio retail is in such a state of disrepair in Detroit. Yet another reason not to live there. I'll believe that as soon as you produce audited, high-end only sales figures. Is this difference you speak of above then reason enough not to silence techies from continuously harassing ppl who cherish vacuum tubes? Ironically, it seems to be the people who cherish tubes who are the major harassers around here. That would be a rather highly biased opinion. Google is my friend, and Dr. Richman is my ally in this quest. For example, we a certain Dr Richman, arguably currently the largest source of vile, harassing, off-topic posts on RAO, who is a tube advocate. Yes, your position is quite arguable. Google is my friend. Modern semiconductors are being improved all the time. The consequent low demand for old ones makes them uneconomic to continue manufacturing. Exactly. It would be interesting to see an objective comparison of the 6L6 tube to one of the more modern tube designs such as the 6C33. If the 6C33 is a better device, then why hasn't it driven the 6L6 off the market like improved semiconductor designs have driven legacy semiconductors off the market? Does this mean that the tube market is not about improved performance? No it doesn't mean that. Prove it, heck just provide a convincing argument. You got your self encase in clouds way up there in the ozone layer seemingly carried away with the word "improve". If SS/semiconductor are so improve, won't you come down and tell why ppl cuddle the tubes buying millions after 60 yrs. Same reason people cuddle an old tobacco pipe or an old walking-stick. Sentimentality. No, it isn't the same reason. Prove it, heck just provide a convincing argument. In terms of audio sound, if semiconductor are being improve all the time to make them sound better, why are they being improve all the time to make them sound better? In terms of amplifiers for high fidelity reproduction there have been no sound quality improvements in them since the latter days of tubes. All that has happened since the best tubed amps became sonically transparent is that amplifiers in general have gotten more reliable, common, smaller, cheaper, efficient, adaptable, etc. OSAF Vain attemp to dismiss a killer factual argument noted. I'm afraid your premise falls at the first hurdle - unless you like unimprovable old products. But thats according to you with your favorite "improve" partially paired with "old" products. How do you account for those buying tubes by millions after 60 yrs? (1) Sales to a different market than high fidelity audio (2) Sentimentality Note that Scott has zero rebuttal of any kind for this statement. |
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