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Question on the Type of Wood Used in Speaker Construction and Effect on Sound
For whatever reason, MDF is actually not a good sounding speaker
material and cabs from multi-ply laminated wood, such as piano pin block stock, offer many of the theoretical benefits of MDF while providing better mechanical ruggedness, repairability, appearance and they "seem to sound better"-no A/B/X proof, just seems to. Maybe it's my imagination. duPont Corian is a cool and underutilized material as well. The Japanese use it in some of their nifty, but too heavy to cost-effectively import, cabs for classic coax drivers such as the Altec 604, which I consider to be the "Marilyn Monroe of speakers". |
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Question on the Type of Wood Used in Speaker Construction and Effect on Sound
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Detector195 wrote: duPont Corian is a cool and underutilized material as well. The Japanese use it in some of their nifty, but too heavy to cost-effectively import, cabs for classic coax drivers such as the Altec 604, which I consider to be the "Marilyn Monroe of speakers". Considering how much Corian costs, I'm not surprised it's "underused". I've been told that you pretty much pay for it by the cubic inch, and that it's very difficult to get ahold of it except as part of a formal installation by a licensed dealer/installer. Allegedly, duPont doesn't like the idea of it being installed by anyone not trained to their standard, on the grounds that it's fairly easy to mess up an installation (and thus, I presume, they're afraid of having Corian's good name as a "premium" product damaged by having people see botched jobs). I've heard that there are somewhat-similar products from other manufacturers (essentially finely powdered rock dust in a resin of some sort) and these might be easier to source. MDF is heavy enough - I built a set of floordstanding semitower systems 4' tall, with single-thickness 3/4" MDF for most of the walls and double-thickness for the front plate. With this much MDF, plus some internal walls and braces, they're so heavy that they're at the limit of my ability to move them safely without assistance. I shudder to think what Corian-based cabs of the same size would weigh! -- Dave Platt AE6EO Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
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Question on the Type of Wood Used in Speaker Construction and Effect on Sound
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Detector195 wrote: duPont Corian is a cool and underutilized material as well. The Japanese use it in some of their nifty, but too heavy to cost-effectively import, cabs for classic coax drivers such as the Altec 604, which I consider to be the "Marilyn Monroe of speakers". Considering how much Corian costs, I'm not surprised it's "underused". I've been told that you pretty much pay for it by the cubic inch, and that it's very difficult to get ahold of it except as part of a formal installation by a licensed dealer/installer. Allegedly, duPont doesn't like the idea of it being installed by anyone not trained to their standard, on the grounds that it's fairly easy to mess up an installation (and thus, I presume, they're afraid of having Corian's good name as a "premium" product damaged by having people see botched jobs). I've heard that there are somewhat-similar products from other manufacturers (essentially finely powdered rock dust in a resin of some sort) and these might be easier to source. MDF is heavy enough - I built a set of floordstanding semitower systems 4' tall, with single-thickness 3/4" MDF for most of the walls and double-thickness for the front plate. With this much MDF, plus some internal walls and braces, they're so heavy that they're at the limit of my ability to move them safely without assistance. I shudder to think what Corian-based cabs of the same size would weigh! -- Dave Platt AE6EO Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
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Question on the Type of Wood Used in Speaker Construction and Effect on Sound
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Detector195 wrote: duPont Corian is a cool and underutilized material as well. The Japanese use it in some of their nifty, but too heavy to cost-effectively import, cabs for classic coax drivers such as the Altec 604, which I consider to be the "Marilyn Monroe of speakers". Considering how much Corian costs, I'm not surprised it's "underused". I've been told that you pretty much pay for it by the cubic inch, and that it's very difficult to get ahold of it except as part of a formal installation by a licensed dealer/installer. Allegedly, duPont doesn't like the idea of it being installed by anyone not trained to their standard, on the grounds that it's fairly easy to mess up an installation (and thus, I presume, they're afraid of having Corian's good name as a "premium" product damaged by having people see botched jobs). I've heard that there are somewhat-similar products from other manufacturers (essentially finely powdered rock dust in a resin of some sort) and these might be easier to source. MDF is heavy enough - I built a set of floordstanding semitower systems 4' tall, with single-thickness 3/4" MDF for most of the walls and double-thickness for the front plate. With this much MDF, plus some internal walls and braces, they're so heavy that they're at the limit of my ability to move them safely without assistance. I shudder to think what Corian-based cabs of the same size would weigh! -- Dave Platt AE6EO Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
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Question on the Type of Wood Used in Speaker Construction and Effect on Sound
Stewart Pinkerton wrote in message . ..
On 1 Jun 2004 17:53:03 -0700, (Detector195) wrote: (Sam Byrams) wrote in message . com... For whatever reason, MDF is actually not a good sounding speaker material and cabs from multi-ply laminated wood, such as piano pin block stock, offer many of the theoretical benefits of MDF while providing better mechanical ruggedness, repairability, appearance and they "seem to sound better"-no A/B/X proof, just seems to. Maybe it's my imagination. duPont Corian is a cool and underutilized material as well. The Japanese use it in some of their nifty, but too heavy to cost-effectively import, cabs for classic coax drivers such as the Altec 604, which I consider to be the "Marilyn Monroe of speakers". What, you mean fat, slow and liable to die suddenly? :-) No, glitzy, flashy but completely lacking in depth and substance. Well, I can say one thing. MDF is a disaster waiting to happen with portable speakers -- it swells up when it gets rained on. I always got satisfactory results with homemade cabs when I used the regular 3/4 birch plywood from Home Depot, though I felt compelled to steer around the voids. Agreed, and marine plywood is even more impervious to abuse, especially if heavily varnished. Actually, there is a specific product called "void-free" thin-layer birch plywood, part of the generic "baltic birch" family of products. It has no internal voids and uses a better glue. It's used a lot in making windchests in pipe organs, where you don't want air finding it's way into places it shouldn't be going. |
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Dick Pierce on Altec, or MM?
duPont Corian is a cool and underutilized material as well. The
Japanese use it in some of their nifty, but too heavy to cost-effectively import, cabs for classic coax drivers such as the Altec 604, which I consider to be the "Marilyn Monroe of speakers". What, you mean fat, slow and liable to die suddenly? :-) No, glitzy, flashy but completely lacking in depth and substance. The Altec is a real speaker with a 15" cone and some real build cost, not like the stuff they sell at Madisound. We have this fantasy today you can build a really first-rate speaker out of small drivers and inexpensive crossovers, and while some of the "Speaker Builder(magazine)mentality projects" sound pretty good for the cost, and the high end stores sell very expensive versions of these same products with little improvement, that doesn't make them the equal of classic Altec and Lansing and a few other designs that cost a lot of money to build. The history of technology is that the new one almost always costs less to build than the old one. If there is a total improvement, well and fine, but more often it's a tradeoff-this for that. A 2004 car has better engine management systems than a 1964 car, but the foundry work on the block and heads was invariably better on the 1964 model. Most of today's engines are not intended to be rebuilt and have very thin castings. Unlike ham radio, a dying hobby of cheapskates, audio people are all too willing to spend money. You can buy $10,000 vacuum tube amps built with the techniques used on $799 guitar amps, and not very much more build cost. If you are going to spend all that money, there should be some build cost-an Audio Research or c-j tube amp ought to be built as well as a Vollum-era Tek scope. Are they? Are the output transformers as good as UTC or Peerless? Look at the Thiel speakers, most of which look inside as though they might have been built out of a Speaker Builder article by a former pro home cabinetmaker or guitar builder.(Because they could have been.) Then there's the Linn Sondek turntable, almost as good as the last Merrill-upgraded AR's. You are, however, entitled to your own opinion on MM. There's no accounting for taste, but to me, her Rose Loomis in Niagara-you're glad to see her strangled dead-Ava Gardner couldn't have done better. |
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Dick Pierce on Altec, or MM?
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Dick Pierce on Altec, or MM?
1. A system built before and, subsequently, in effective ignorance
of the comprehensive Thiele-Small model. Thus, as a result, a misdesigned, mistuned conglomeration of poorly integrated parts and, well, "concepts" to be generous, that misses the theoretical capabilities of a cabinet that large and a woofer that big by a VERY wide margin. Many enclosures were available for the 604, which is the driver proper, and the old ones are crude by modern standards. The Japanese have built several commercially, they tend to be really big and heavy. Big and heavy is good until you have to ship it from Japan. 2. A "real" large driver with very poor linearity that has no better linear volume displacement than your alledged "cheap" smaller drivers, with a stiff and VERY non-linear suspension. 3. A "real" expensive crossover that was designed without any consideration of conjugate load matching Doug Sax of Mastering Labs designed a much better x/o but although it's still available to order I think even he would admit biamping is better. If you like the Altecs, fine. But holding them up as a paragon of design acumen, as shining examples of how to design a well-performing speaker in any reasonable objective sense is, well, amusing. I have a pair of late (Mantaray) 604s with Mastering Labs x/o in some cement cabs. I like them but they are not perfect. Improved cab design and biamping will lead to substantial improvement, I think. As a general rule, I like well-designed coaxes. I don't think they are the only good technology, but they make life simpler. The Tannoys are apparently no longer available commercially, no is the 12" used in Urei studio monitors. |
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Dick Pierce on Altec, or MM?
1. A system built before and, subsequently, in effective ignorance
of the comprehensive Thiele-Small model. Thus, as a result, a misdesigned, mistuned conglomeration of poorly integrated parts and, well, "concepts" to be generous, that misses the theoretical capabilities of a cabinet that large and a woofer that big by a VERY wide margin. Many enclosures were available for the 604, which is the driver proper, and the old ones are crude by modern standards. The Japanese have built several commercially, they tend to be really big and heavy. Big and heavy is good until you have to ship it from Japan. 2. A "real" large driver with very poor linearity that has no better linear volume displacement than your alledged "cheap" smaller drivers, with a stiff and VERY non-linear suspension. 3. A "real" expensive crossover that was designed without any consideration of conjugate load matching Doug Sax of Mastering Labs designed a much better x/o but although it's still available to order I think even he would admit biamping is better. If you like the Altecs, fine. But holding them up as a paragon of design acumen, as shining examples of how to design a well-performing speaker in any reasonable objective sense is, well, amusing. I have a pair of late (Mantaray) 604s with Mastering Labs x/o in some cement cabs. I like them but they are not perfect. Improved cab design and biamping will lead to substantial improvement, I think. As a general rule, I like well-designed coaxes. I don't think they are the only good technology, but they make life simpler. The Tannoys are apparently no longer available commercially, no is the 12" used in Urei studio monitors. |
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Dick Pierce on Altec, or MM?
1. A system built before and, subsequently, in effective ignorance
of the comprehensive Thiele-Small model. Thus, as a result, a misdesigned, mistuned conglomeration of poorly integrated parts and, well, "concepts" to be generous, that misses the theoretical capabilities of a cabinet that large and a woofer that big by a VERY wide margin. Many enclosures were available for the 604, which is the driver proper, and the old ones are crude by modern standards. The Japanese have built several commercially, they tend to be really big and heavy. Big and heavy is good until you have to ship it from Japan. 2. A "real" large driver with very poor linearity that has no better linear volume displacement than your alledged "cheap" smaller drivers, with a stiff and VERY non-linear suspension. 3. A "real" expensive crossover that was designed without any consideration of conjugate load matching Doug Sax of Mastering Labs designed a much better x/o but although it's still available to order I think even he would admit biamping is better. If you like the Altecs, fine. But holding them up as a paragon of design acumen, as shining examples of how to design a well-performing speaker in any reasonable objective sense is, well, amusing. I have a pair of late (Mantaray) 604s with Mastering Labs x/o in some cement cabs. I like them but they are not perfect. Improved cab design and biamping will lead to substantial improvement, I think. As a general rule, I like well-designed coaxes. I don't think they are the only good technology, but they make life simpler. The Tannoys are apparently no longer available commercially, no is the 12" used in Urei studio monitors. |
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Dick Pierce on Altec, or MM?
duPont Corian is a cool and underutilized material as well. The
Japanese use it in some of their nifty, but too heavy to cost-effectively import, cabs for classic coax drivers such as the Altec 604, which I consider to be the "Marilyn Monroe of speakers". What, you mean fat, slow and liable to die suddenly? :-) No, glitzy, flashy but completely lacking in depth and substance. The Altec is a real speaker with a 15" cone and some real build cost, not like the stuff they sell at Madisound. We have this fantasy today you can build a really first-rate speaker out of small drivers and inexpensive crossovers, and while some of the "Speaker Builder(magazine)mentality projects" sound pretty good for the cost, and the high end stores sell very expensive versions of these same products with little improvement, that doesn't make them the equal of classic Altec and Lansing and a few other designs that cost a lot of money to build. The history of technology is that the new one almost always costs less to build than the old one. If there is a total improvement, well and fine, but more often it's a tradeoff-this for that. A 2004 car has better engine management systems than a 1964 car, but the foundry work on the block and heads was invariably better on the 1964 model. Most of today's engines are not intended to be rebuilt and have very thin castings. Unlike ham radio, a dying hobby of cheapskates, audio people are all too willing to spend money. You can buy $10,000 vacuum tube amps built with the techniques used on $799 guitar amps, and not very much more build cost. If you are going to spend all that money, there should be some build cost-an Audio Research or c-j tube amp ought to be built as well as a Vollum-era Tek scope. Are they? Are the output transformers as good as UTC or Peerless? Look at the Thiel speakers, most of which look inside as though they might have been built out of a Speaker Builder article by a former pro home cabinetmaker or guitar builder.(Because they could have been.) Then there's the Linn Sondek turntable, almost as good as the last Merrill-upgraded AR's. You are, however, entitled to your own opinion on MM. There's no accounting for taste, but to me, her Rose Loomis in Niagara-you're glad to see her strangled dead-Ava Gardner couldn't have done better. |
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Dick Pierce on Altec, or MM?
duPont Corian is a cool and underutilized material as well. The
Japanese use it in some of their nifty, but too heavy to cost-effectively import, cabs for classic coax drivers such as the Altec 604, which I consider to be the "Marilyn Monroe of speakers". What, you mean fat, slow and liable to die suddenly? :-) No, glitzy, flashy but completely lacking in depth and substance. The Altec is a real speaker with a 15" cone and some real build cost, not like the stuff they sell at Madisound. We have this fantasy today you can build a really first-rate speaker out of small drivers and inexpensive crossovers, and while some of the "Speaker Builder(magazine)mentality projects" sound pretty good for the cost, and the high end stores sell very expensive versions of these same products with little improvement, that doesn't make them the equal of classic Altec and Lansing and a few other designs that cost a lot of money to build. The history of technology is that the new one almost always costs less to build than the old one. If there is a total improvement, well and fine, but more often it's a tradeoff-this for that. A 2004 car has better engine management systems than a 1964 car, but the foundry work on the block and heads was invariably better on the 1964 model. Most of today's engines are not intended to be rebuilt and have very thin castings. Unlike ham radio, a dying hobby of cheapskates, audio people are all too willing to spend money. You can buy $10,000 vacuum tube amps built with the techniques used on $799 guitar amps, and not very much more build cost. If you are going to spend all that money, there should be some build cost-an Audio Research or c-j tube amp ought to be built as well as a Vollum-era Tek scope. Are they? Are the output transformers as good as UTC or Peerless? Look at the Thiel speakers, most of which look inside as though they might have been built out of a Speaker Builder article by a former pro home cabinetmaker or guitar builder.(Because they could have been.) Then there's the Linn Sondek turntable, almost as good as the last Merrill-upgraded AR's. You are, however, entitled to your own opinion on MM. There's no accounting for taste, but to me, her Rose Loomis in Niagara-you're glad to see her strangled dead-Ava Gardner couldn't have done better. |
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Question on the Type of Wood Used in Speaker Construction and Effect on Sound
Stewart Pinkerton wrote in message . ..
On 1 Jun 2004 17:53:03 -0700, (Detector195) wrote: (Sam Byrams) wrote in message . com... For whatever reason, MDF is actually not a good sounding speaker material and cabs from multi-ply laminated wood, such as piano pin block stock, offer many of the theoretical benefits of MDF while providing better mechanical ruggedness, repairability, appearance and they "seem to sound better"-no A/B/X proof, just seems to. Maybe it's my imagination. duPont Corian is a cool and underutilized material as well. The Japanese use it in some of their nifty, but too heavy to cost-effectively import, cabs for classic coax drivers such as the Altec 604, which I consider to be the "Marilyn Monroe of speakers". What, you mean fat, slow and liable to die suddenly? :-) No, glitzy, flashy but completely lacking in depth and substance. Well, I can say one thing. MDF is a disaster waiting to happen with portable speakers -- it swells up when it gets rained on. I always got satisfactory results with homemade cabs when I used the regular 3/4 birch plywood from Home Depot, though I felt compelled to steer around the voids. Agreed, and marine plywood is even more impervious to abuse, especially if heavily varnished. Actually, there is a specific product called "void-free" thin-layer birch plywood, part of the generic "baltic birch" family of products. It has no internal voids and uses a better glue. It's used a lot in making windchests in pipe organs, where you don't want air finding it's way into places it shouldn't be going. |
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Question on the Type of Wood Used in Speaker Construction and Effect on Sound
Stewart Pinkerton wrote in message . ..
On 1 Jun 2004 17:53:03 -0700, (Detector195) wrote: (Sam Byrams) wrote in message . com... For whatever reason, MDF is actually not a good sounding speaker material and cabs from multi-ply laminated wood, such as piano pin block stock, offer many of the theoretical benefits of MDF while providing better mechanical ruggedness, repairability, appearance and they "seem to sound better"-no A/B/X proof, just seems to. Maybe it's my imagination. duPont Corian is a cool and underutilized material as well. The Japanese use it in some of their nifty, but too heavy to cost-effectively import, cabs for classic coax drivers such as the Altec 604, which I consider to be the "Marilyn Monroe of speakers". What, you mean fat, slow and liable to die suddenly? :-) No, glitzy, flashy but completely lacking in depth and substance. Well, I can say one thing. MDF is a disaster waiting to happen with portable speakers -- it swells up when it gets rained on. I always got satisfactory results with homemade cabs when I used the regular 3/4 birch plywood from Home Depot, though I felt compelled to steer around the voids. Agreed, and marine plywood is even more impervious to abuse, especially if heavily varnished. Actually, there is a specific product called "void-free" thin-layer birch plywood, part of the generic "baltic birch" family of products. It has no internal voids and uses a better glue. It's used a lot in making windchests in pipe organs, where you don't want air finding it's way into places it shouldn't be going. |
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Question on the Type of Wood Used in Speaker Construction and Effect on Sound
Stewart Pinkerton wrote in message . ..
On 1 Jun 2004 17:53:03 -0700, (Detector195) wrote: (Sam Byrams) wrote in message . com... For whatever reason, MDF is actually not a good sounding speaker material and cabs from multi-ply laminated wood, such as piano pin block stock, offer many of the theoretical benefits of MDF while providing better mechanical ruggedness, repairability, appearance and they "seem to sound better"-no A/B/X proof, just seems to. Maybe it's my imagination. duPont Corian is a cool and underutilized material as well. The Japanese use it in some of their nifty, but too heavy to cost-effectively import, cabs for classic coax drivers such as the Altec 604, which I consider to be the "Marilyn Monroe of speakers". What, you mean fat, slow and liable to die suddenly? :-) You'd be liable to die suddenly too if someone shot half a pint of pure Nembutal up your rear end. As far as fat and slow-see the swimming pool scene from her last film, which AMC paid (a bundle) to build out as far as they could from what footage there is. At 36, she was the ultimate naked, wet, and slightly cold (obviously!) female. Back then, guys who wanted 'hardbodies' would be referred to the NFL. Well, I can say one thing. MDF is a disaster waiting to happen with portable speakers -- it swells up when it gets rained on. I always got satisfactory results with homemade cabs when I used the regular 3/4 birch plywood from Home Depot, though I felt compelled to steer around the voids. Agreed, and marine plywood is even more impervious to abuse, especially if heavily varnished. Marine ply is the way to go, unless you fill the voids with something, which is more time than it's worth. Corian is available in sizes needed by amateur speaker builders as off-fall, and to professional companies under license: I've never had a problem sourcing it with cash in hand. |
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The Hollywood Attack Vagina was: Question on the Type of Wood
duPont Corian is a cool and underutilized material as well. The
Japanese use it in some of their nifty, but too heavy to cost-effectively import, cabs for classic coax drivers such as the Altec 604, which I consider to be the "Marilyn Monroe of speakers". What, you mean fat, slow and liable to die suddenly? :-) You'd be liable to die suddenly too if someone shot half a pint of pure Nembutal up your rear end. As far as fat and slow-see the swimming pool scene from her last film, which AMC paid (a bundle) to build out as far as they could from what footage there is. At 36, she was the ultimate naked, wet, and slightly cold (obviously!) female. Back then, guys who wanted 'hardbodies' would be referred to the NFL. The recent Robert Blake case brings up an interesting angle on this supposed mystery. Monroe was basically an "attack vagina". She ****ed and wheedled her way into expensive and painful acts of matrimony with famous and status-bearing men-first a not-real-bright ballplayer and then the all-too-bright playwright-and she figured this would get her in the White House as well. The Kennedys, particularly Bobby, figured this out too late and with the Russians putting nuclear missiles ninety miles from Miami, couldn't afford what might explode into a big domestic scandal. (The Keeler-Profumo scandal in England less than a year later would prove those inclinations right.) So after trying to reason with this disturbed individual proved ineffective, the decision was made-Bobby made the call, I'm sure, Jack wouldn't have had the heart, or the balls-she had to go. My guess is it was an FBI agent-the Bureau was full of the G.Gordon Liddy types that would have done it then-that actually did the deed. Did Bobby do right? Well, we're here to read this now. Nuclear war in 1962 might or might not have wiped out the species, but even if America survived-and I think that in substantial part it would have-we still wouldn't be back up to 1962 technological and economic standards. |
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The Hollywood Attack Vagina was: Question on the Type of Wood
duPont Corian is a cool and underutilized material as well. The
Japanese use it in some of their nifty, but too heavy to cost-effectively import, cabs for classic coax drivers such as the Altec 604, which I consider to be the "Marilyn Monroe of speakers". What, you mean fat, slow and liable to die suddenly? :-) You'd be liable to die suddenly too if someone shot half a pint of pure Nembutal up your rear end. As far as fat and slow-see the swimming pool scene from her last film, which AMC paid (a bundle) to build out as far as they could from what footage there is. At 36, she was the ultimate naked, wet, and slightly cold (obviously!) female. Back then, guys who wanted 'hardbodies' would be referred to the NFL. The recent Robert Blake case brings up an interesting angle on this supposed mystery. Monroe was basically an "attack vagina". She ****ed and wheedled her way into expensive and painful acts of matrimony with famous and status-bearing men-first a not-real-bright ballplayer and then the all-too-bright playwright-and she figured this would get her in the White House as well. The Kennedys, particularly Bobby, figured this out too late and with the Russians putting nuclear missiles ninety miles from Miami, couldn't afford what might explode into a big domestic scandal. (The Keeler-Profumo scandal in England less than a year later would prove those inclinations right.) So after trying to reason with this disturbed individual proved ineffective, the decision was made-Bobby made the call, I'm sure, Jack wouldn't have had the heart, or the balls-she had to go. My guess is it was an FBI agent-the Bureau was full of the G.Gordon Liddy types that would have done it then-that actually did the deed. Did Bobby do right? Well, we're here to read this now. Nuclear war in 1962 might or might not have wiped out the species, but even if America survived-and I think that in substantial part it would have-we still wouldn't be back up to 1962 technological and economic standards. |
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The Hollywood Attack Vagina was: Question on the Type of Wood
duPont Corian is a cool and underutilized material as well. The
Japanese use it in some of their nifty, but too heavy to cost-effectively import, cabs for classic coax drivers such as the Altec 604, which I consider to be the "Marilyn Monroe of speakers". What, you mean fat, slow and liable to die suddenly? :-) You'd be liable to die suddenly too if someone shot half a pint of pure Nembutal up your rear end. As far as fat and slow-see the swimming pool scene from her last film, which AMC paid (a bundle) to build out as far as they could from what footage there is. At 36, she was the ultimate naked, wet, and slightly cold (obviously!) female. Back then, guys who wanted 'hardbodies' would be referred to the NFL. The recent Robert Blake case brings up an interesting angle on this supposed mystery. Monroe was basically an "attack vagina". She ****ed and wheedled her way into expensive and painful acts of matrimony with famous and status-bearing men-first a not-real-bright ballplayer and then the all-too-bright playwright-and she figured this would get her in the White House as well. The Kennedys, particularly Bobby, figured this out too late and with the Russians putting nuclear missiles ninety miles from Miami, couldn't afford what might explode into a big domestic scandal. (The Keeler-Profumo scandal in England less than a year later would prove those inclinations right.) So after trying to reason with this disturbed individual proved ineffective, the decision was made-Bobby made the call, I'm sure, Jack wouldn't have had the heart, or the balls-she had to go. My guess is it was an FBI agent-the Bureau was full of the G.Gordon Liddy types that would have done it then-that actually did the deed. Did Bobby do right? Well, we're here to read this now. Nuclear war in 1962 might or might not have wiped out the species, but even if America survived-and I think that in substantial part it would have-we still wouldn't be back up to 1962 technological and economic standards. |
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Question on the Type of Wood Used in Speaker Construction and Effect on Sound
Stewart Pinkerton wrote in message . ..
On 1 Jun 2004 17:53:03 -0700, (Detector195) wrote: (Sam Byrams) wrote in message . com... For whatever reason, MDF is actually not a good sounding speaker material and cabs from multi-ply laminated wood, such as piano pin block stock, offer many of the theoretical benefits of MDF while providing better mechanical ruggedness, repairability, appearance and they "seem to sound better"-no A/B/X proof, just seems to. Maybe it's my imagination. duPont Corian is a cool and underutilized material as well. The Japanese use it in some of their nifty, but too heavy to cost-effectively import, cabs for classic coax drivers such as the Altec 604, which I consider to be the "Marilyn Monroe of speakers". What, you mean fat, slow and liable to die suddenly? :-) You'd be liable to die suddenly too if someone shot half a pint of pure Nembutal up your rear end. As far as fat and slow-see the swimming pool scene from her last film, which AMC paid (a bundle) to build out as far as they could from what footage there is. At 36, she was the ultimate naked, wet, and slightly cold (obviously!) female. Back then, guys who wanted 'hardbodies' would be referred to the NFL. Well, I can say one thing. MDF is a disaster waiting to happen with portable speakers -- it swells up when it gets rained on. I always got satisfactory results with homemade cabs when I used the regular 3/4 birch plywood from Home Depot, though I felt compelled to steer around the voids. Agreed, and marine plywood is even more impervious to abuse, especially if heavily varnished. Marine ply is the way to go, unless you fill the voids with something, which is more time than it's worth. Corian is available in sizes needed by amateur speaker builders as off-fall, and to professional companies under license: I've never had a problem sourcing it with cash in hand. |
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Question on the Type of Wood Used in Speaker Construction and Effect on Sound
Stewart Pinkerton wrote in message . ..
On 1 Jun 2004 17:53:03 -0700, (Detector195) wrote: (Sam Byrams) wrote in message . com... For whatever reason, MDF is actually not a good sounding speaker material and cabs from multi-ply laminated wood, such as piano pin block stock, offer many of the theoretical benefits of MDF while providing better mechanical ruggedness, repairability, appearance and they "seem to sound better"-no A/B/X proof, just seems to. Maybe it's my imagination. duPont Corian is a cool and underutilized material as well. The Japanese use it in some of their nifty, but too heavy to cost-effectively import, cabs for classic coax drivers such as the Altec 604, which I consider to be the "Marilyn Monroe of speakers". What, you mean fat, slow and liable to die suddenly? :-) You'd be liable to die suddenly too if someone shot half a pint of pure Nembutal up your rear end. As far as fat and slow-see the swimming pool scene from her last film, which AMC paid (a bundle) to build out as far as they could from what footage there is. At 36, she was the ultimate naked, wet, and slightly cold (obviously!) female. Back then, guys who wanted 'hardbodies' would be referred to the NFL. Well, I can say one thing. MDF is a disaster waiting to happen with portable speakers -- it swells up when it gets rained on. I always got satisfactory results with homemade cabs when I used the regular 3/4 birch plywood from Home Depot, though I felt compelled to steer around the voids. Agreed, and marine plywood is even more impervious to abuse, especially if heavily varnished. Marine ply is the way to go, unless you fill the voids with something, which is more time than it's worth. Corian is available in sizes needed by amateur speaker builders as off-fall, and to professional companies under license: I've never had a problem sourcing it with cash in hand. |
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