Home |
Search |
Today's Posts |
#38
![]() |
|||
|
|||
![]()
I just saw this thread and noted, by the way, prompt accurate information
from IsaacWingfield responding to the original question. "Detector195" in om... . . . I took two resistors as "signal sources" to compare their noise spectra. One was a 100k 1/4 W metal film, the other was a 100k 1/8 W carbon film. (Careful -- two variables changed at once. An issue of possible distraction to some readers, more really than of misleading conclusions.) The carbon film had 6 percent more voltage noise from essentially zero up to 20 kHz, give or take 1 percent. This is about 0.5 dB. Does anybody out there have a real "professional" spectrum analyzer or digital scope? This should be an easy measurement if you have the right equipment. Those data sound reasonable to me. Without going into details, I have done many measurements as queried above. I use some very exquisite equipment for low-noise measurements, some of the best available in the last few decades; we have a lab full of it for such purposes. (By the way, you generally want analog, or at least good-analog-front-end, instruments to measure low-freq. noise spectra with low floors. And/or, build outboard low-noise preamps for the purpose and keep them in the same lab.) My end applications were not specifically audio, but I measured in the same frequency range. (I was concerned with "making" resistors in monolithic form, and possible sources of "excess" noise). The whole issue here is the "excess" noise that Isaac Wingfield already concisely explained. Typically it arises not in uniform resistive materials but in interfaces between different materials, or between different crystals or clusters of material. Commercial component resistors of metal or metal film, common and fairly cheap anyway, have the general reputation of the lowest excess noise, followed by carbon film. Carbon composition resistors (polycrystalline I think, and very common construction for wired reasistors when I was younger) have the worst reputation. Issues of the power rating of a resistor are only peripherally related to its noise sources. Self-heating capable of significantly raising a resistor's Kelvin temperature (which is what counts) from the usual 300-350 found in operating electronic equipment would mean that the resistor is run at a high power level, which argues independently for a higher power-capable resistor, regardless of noise considerations. (Resistors, like people, are most reliable when not overheated.) I still think Isaac Wingfield said it more concisely. -- Max Hauser |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
![]() |
||||
Thread | Forum | |||
rec.audio.car FAQ (Part 1/5) | Car Audio | |||
Noise problem please help. | Car Audio | |||
Isn't noise cumulative? a technical question | Pro Audio | |||
hearing loss info | Car Audio | |||
Noise - alternator, shrieking, etc with Delphi XM satellite system | Car Audio |