On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 07:19:47 GMT, "Pug Fugley" wrote:

Zarella and Soundfreak are going nuts over here swearing up and down that
amps like Kenford, Dual, Sparkomatic, and Rockwood are the exact same thing
as JL Audio, Xtant, Brax, Zapco, or McIntosh.

Is this the general thought of this newsgroup? Do you guys take advice from
these idiots???


Hell No! Those guys are idiots. WTF is a Kenford? Isn't Sparkomatic
a Kmart brand? Everyone knows Rockwoods are pieces of ****.

"Jimmy Deam" wrote in message
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 07:19:47 GMT, "Pug Fugley" wrote:

Zarella and Soundfreak are going nuts over here swearing up and down that
amps like Kenford, Dual, Sparkomatic, and Rockwood are the exact same
thing
as JL Audio, Xtant, Brax, Zapco, or McIntosh.

Is this the general thought of this newsgroup? Do you guys take advice
from
these idiots???


Hell No! Those guys are idiots.

I'm beginning to see that. I can't believe these guys hand out advice to
people.



WTF is a Kenford?

According to Zarella, it's the same as a JL Audio.



Isn't Sparkomatic
a Kmart brand?

Yep. Zarella probably thinks it's an Xtant but they don't sell Xtant at
Kmart so they put Sparkomatic on it.

Everyone knows Rockwoods are pieces of ****.

Well according to Zarella they are among the best sounding amps in the
world. I disagree. I've installed too many of them over the years and I know
better.

WTF is a Kenford?

According to Zarella, it's the same as a JL Audio.

Please provide a quote, liar.

LOL

In article , Jimmy Deam
wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 07:19:47 GMT, "Pug Fugley" wrote:

Zarella and Soundfreak are going nuts over here swearing up and down that
amps like Kenford, Dual, Sparkomatic, and Rockwood are the exact same thing
as JL Audio, Xtant, Brax, Zapco, or McIntosh.

Is this the general thought of this newsgroup? Do you guys take advice from
these idiots???


Hell No! Those guys are idiots. WTF is a Kenford? Isn't Sparkomatic
a Kmart brand? Everyone knows Rockwoods are pieces of ****.

LOL


Yes it is funny, that you think that because a know name newbie agrees with you
your right. You are a fool.

Les

Lester what exactly is a "know name newbie" Feel free to explain in
scientific or Layman's terms. LOL

In article ,
othanks (Soundfreak03) wrote:
LOL


Yes it is funny, that you think that because a know name newbie agrees with you
your right. You are a fool.

Les

Lester what exactly is a "know name newbie" Feel free to explain in
scientific or Layman's terms. LOL


Spelling mistake. My bad. But it is sad when that is the best you have. Here is
the bottom line Howdy Doody, What has been said by myself can be proven.
Through methods of controlled tested. What you and Pug said cannot, you can
offer zero evidence and both you and Pug resort to strawman arguments and
outright lies. You guys are pitiful. When you actually have a reasonable
argument then we will discuss.

Les

I have 4 times the evidence, 3 profile amps and one Jensen amp sitting here
with two Alpine amps, four MTX Thunder amps and one PPI amp to compare them
too. That's all the evidence that I need to feel satisfied about what I said.




In article ,
othanks (Soundfreak03) wrote:
Lester what exactly is a "know name newbie" Feel free to explain in
scientific or Layman's terms. LOL


Spelling mistake. My bad. But it is sad when that is the best you have. Here is
the bottom line Howdy Doody, What has been said by myself can be proven.
Through methods of controlled tested. What you and Pug said cannot, you can
offer zero evidence and both you and Pug resort to strawman arguments and
outright lies. You guys are pitiful. When you actually have a reasonable
argument then we will discuss.

Les

Ok, I have been reading on this forum and two other audio ones for a
while and I cannot keep quite about this anymore. Amps are NOT created
equal!!! You CAN hear the difference in an el-cheapo Jenson, and a SS
Reference, or McIntosh, etc... I had to use a Jenson once, for a short
time while one of my Class A's were off getting a diode replaced. That
Jenson sounded like ASS!!! It hummed, popped, hissed, you name it. It
was a POS AMP!! The day my SS came home was like the second coming of
Christ!! Cheap amps sound like ****. There is a reason why true
Audiophiles give amps a SQ rating. It's because they can HEAR the damn
difference!! Every one of you that claim "A watt is a watt. You cannot
here the difference between a cheap and and a quality one." are as
stupid as the idiots that use the CDROM tray as a damn cupholder!!

/rant

Mike


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"putergod" wrote in message
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(snip a bunch of mindless drivel from an obvious noob)

If you really read everything then you would realize which side actually
bases their findings on facts and science and which bases theirs off of
mindless claims of "i heard it, so it must be true". The ones that say that
amps make this huge dramatic differences, like hearing christ, are basing
their "findings" on an ineffiecient device that cannot remember sounds well.
Which is an asinine thing to do at best. So I say to you, what I have said
to all other idiots who spout the same mindless drivel, PROVE IT!

Les

Les,
I dont have any problem believeing what the guy said...

Why do you think a Jensen and Soundstream would
sound the same..??

Eddie

Les wrote:

"putergod" wrote in message
news

(snip a bunch of mindless drivel from an obvious noob)

If you really read everything then you would realize which side actually
bases their findings on facts and science and which bases theirs off of
mindless claims of "i heard it, so it must be true". The ones that say that
amps make this huge dramatic differences, like hearing christ, are basing
their "findings" on an ineffiecient device that cannot remember sounds well.
Which is an asinine thing to do at best. So I say to you, what I have said
to all other idiots who spout the same mindless drivel, PROVE IT!

Les

I had to use a Jenson once, for a short
time while one of my Class A's were off getting a diode replaced. That
Jenson sounded like ASS!!!

Of course, there's no possibility that the amp(s) were damaged, improperly
connected, improperly tuned or being overworked, right? And of course, the
Jensen's had the same power output as the amps they were filling in for, right?
And I'm sure everything was level matched, correct? The plain and simple truth
is that the human ear isn't good at retaining the specifics of sound. That's
why the only really "viable" way to demo speakers is to have them all setup in
one room and to demo them one after another. There are a number of reasons,
both dealing with the details of your setup and the biology of your body that
could explain why those Jensen's sounded "like ass". I, for instance, am not
sure I know what an ass sounds like....

There is a reason why true
Audiophiles give amps a SQ rating.

There sure is, to make themselves feel better about their purchase.

It's because they can HEAR the damn
difference!!

Perception and reality are quite different things. This discussion could get
quite philosophical...

Every one of you that claim "A watt is a watt. You cannot
here the difference between a cheap and and a quality one." are as
stupid as the idiots that use the CDROM tray as a damn cupholder!!

Fine, then explain the differences - in scientifically acceptable lanuguage -
between the wattage output from a Jensen amp and the wattage output from a
Zapco Competition Series Amp. We're waiting on baited breath here Mike.

Well, when I was auditioning a Diamond D7054 and an Xtant X603 (front stage
powering only, through Focal 165Ws), I could clearly hear the difference
between the two. The Xtant offered a slightly warmer, more natural sound
than the Diamond, at the expense of a bit of detail resolution. Both amps
were cabled the same, and were off the same conditioned power source (we
didn't swap inputs into the board, just to be sure in case you're
wondering). I went with the Xtant.

If you EVER have the chance to listen to a Halcro amp (they're home-based,
not mobile), you will be unable to tell ANYONE that there's no difference in
amps, period. Best damn amazing piece of SS electronics engineering so far
produced. The dm58 is a truly incredible listen.


"Steve Grauman" wrote in message
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I had to use a Jenson once, for a short
time while one of my Class A's were off getting a diode replaced. That
Jenson sounded like ASS!!!

Of course, there's no possibility that the amp(s) were damaged, improperly
connected, improperly tuned or being overworked, right? And of course, the
Jensen's had the same power output as the amps they were filling in for,
right?
And I'm sure everything was level matched, correct? The plain and simple
truth
is that the human ear isn't good at retaining the specifics of sound.
That's
why the only really "viable" way to demo speakers is to have them all
setup in
one room and to demo them one after another. There are a number of
reasons,
both dealing with the details of your setup and the biology of your body
that
could explain why those Jensen's sounded "like ass". I, for instance, am
not
sure I know what an ass sounds like....

There is a reason why true
Audiophiles give amps a SQ rating.

There sure is, to make themselves feel better about their purchase.

It's because they can HEAR the damn
difference!!

Perception and reality are quite different things. This discussion could
get
quite philosophical...

Every one of you that claim "A watt is a watt. You cannot
here the difference between a cheap and and a quality one." are as
stupid as the idiots that use the CDROM tray as a damn cupholder!!

Fine, then explain the differences - in scientifically acceptable
lanuguage -
between the wattage output from a Jensen amp and the wattage output from a
Zapco Competition Series Amp. We're waiting on baited breath here Mike.