I desparately,want to be an Audio Engineer......Period. I heard from many
people, including Graduates that Full Sail(http://www.fullsail.com)is not worth
the time and money. What is ther best way to become and Audio engineer???

What is ther best way to become and Audio engineer???

Buy yourself a job.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

(PHILLYSTRES) wrote
I desparately,want to be an Audio Engineer......Period.

This will get you no where.

I heard from many
people, including Graduates that Full Sail(http://www.fullsail.com)is not
worth
the time and money.

You only thing you get from something is what you put into it.

What is ther best way to become and Audio engineer???

What ever you feel is the best way to do it, but you best do a lot of research
first, posting here is a good start, going by what you head via the grape vine
is a bad start. Yes, I sat beside a lot of kids who should have never enrolled
at Full Sail but I got quite a bit out of the school.
No matter what school or subject your talking about, college is only something
to get you started. And if your the type of person who believes everything you
hear from everyone...oh man your going to have it very hard in recording!

Buy yourself a job.


HUH??

the bigger issue ISN'T that Full Sail is or is not a waste of money (I've
pontificated on this before...) - it's whether or not engineering schools
are even RELEVANT in today's musical climate where everybody and their uncle
has a fully stocked studio in their PC. I get calls several times a month
from recent FS grads who want jobs in my studio - but have no idea what the
real studio climate (I'm talking the business of studios here) is. If you
think going to school will automatically put you at the head of the line for
a gig in a studio - you are sadly mistaken.

As one other poster pointed out, you get out of Full Sail what you put into
it (I didn't do so badly - I make a full time living at music AND met my
most excellent wife while going to FS!!). If you want to be an engineer, do
your homework and see if it even makes sense to go to school for it, or if
you'd be better off spending your $$$$ on the equipment and figuring it out
yourself, at which point you'd be just like everyone else with their home
studio...

--
John Marsden
Little-Big Sound
audio for video, film & digital media; graphics & software solutions
www.lbsound.com

"PHILLYSTRES" wrote in message
...
I desparately,want to be an Audio Engineer......Period. I heard from many
people, including Graduates that Full Sail(http://www.fullsail.com)is not
worth
the time and money. What is ther best way to become and Audio engineer???

In article uperman writes:

I desparately,want to be an Audio Engineer......Period. I heard from many
people, including Graduates that Full Sail(http://www.fullsail.com)is not worth
the time and money. What is ther best way to become and Audio engineer???

Find a studio that will take you on as an intern, and do whatever they
ask you to do. If have a good attitude and aptitude, maybe in six
months or so, they'll start giving you sessions to work on (rather
than just putting away cables, making dubs, and keeping the coffee
hot).

It helps if you come into the intern job with some technical musical
knowledge so that when the singer says "let's take it from the place
in the bridge where we modulate up half a step" you'll know what he's
talking about. It also helps if you have a good knowledge of the
building blocks in a control room, what connects to what, and how
patchbays work. It also would help to have a good working knowledge of
some DAW software.

"Buy yourself a job" means being willing to work for practically no
pay and not doing glamorous work until you gain the confidence of the
studio willing to take you on as an intern.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article ,
uperman (PHILLYSTRES) wrote:

I desparately,want to be an Audio Engineer......Period. I heard from many
people, including Graduates that Full Sail(http://www.fullsail.com)is not
worth
the time and money. What is ther best way to become and Audio engineer???


There are many good sources of information about audio recording and sound
reinforcement: books. Read some. Get as much practical experience as you can:
volunteer to help a band you know doing live sound and making live or demo
recordings. Buy some gear and start using it. If you have a passion for audio
this will all make sense and keep you interested and occupied and one day you
will wake up and realize that you ARE an audio engineer.

Schools can streamline the process some and help organize the learning, but you
hold the key to your own success: just keep doing what you love and it will
happen regardless of the path you take.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x-------- http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jay/ ----------x

uperman (PHILLYSTRES) wrote in message ...
I desparately,want to be an Audio Engineer......Period. I heard from many
people, including Graduates that Full Sail(http://www.fullsail.com)is not worth
the time and money. What is ther best way to become and Audio engineer???

I'd take the same approach to getting into the industry as writing music.

Listen very carefully to what everyone says you have to do.

Do the opposite.

Paul

I desparately,want to be an Audio Engineer......Period. I heard from many
people, including Graduates that Full Sail(http://www.fullsail.com)is
not worth the time and money. What is ther best way to become and Audio
engineer???


Everybody likes to think you don't need either the school or the
experience. It's no fun to think that you'll actually have to work at
something to become proficient. It doesn't help that a lot of schools
are not very good and just tell the students what they want to hear:
"You can go work with famous people after this relatively short program
and you'll already know everything and it's all loads of glamorous fun!"
This is an advertisement, not an education. The wrong school is indeed a
waste of time, just as the wrong apprenticeship will be.

It also doesn't help that some ignorant people essentially win the
lottery and get a hit record by chance and then spread their
misconceptions as gospel. "They have a hit, they must know everything!"
Following them is the blind leading the blind. It also becomes confusing
because after you master the "rules", the exceptions to them and the
unexpected inspirations are indeed what often separate the men from the
boys. But too many people try to skip the first part of that equation.

There are plenty of idiots in this business and I'd rather not encourage
aspiring engineers to join their ranks. That means don't skip school,
but don't choose a poor school or think you can learn everything in your
first year. Also, don't think that you won't need plenty of
apprenticeship time after school. You need both the education and the
experience unless you want to be forever half-assed or just hoping to
"win the lottery" in a very competitive and unhealthy business right now.

Just look at this group. Look at all the erroneous pop knowledge,
technical misconceptions, and fiercely held positions based on
pseudo-scientific nonsense. If we were doctors, 80% of our patients
would probably die. Thank gooness it's only audio. For the future health
of our business and quality of our craft, I think we should stress the
importance of both quality education and effective apprenticeship. Both
are often lacking, but both are vitally important.

--
Jay Frigoletto
Mastersuite
Los Angeles
promastering.com

First I'd suggest learning to communicatre before you spend money on a
recording school.

tHe correct phrase would be "becoming an engineer" and not "becoming
and engineer." BRBR


Is this some kind of a joke? You misspell two words to his one and omit a
comma before the quote. Then, after a few more typos you ramble the following:

I hope once you've made up your mind that your resume presents you in
a better light than your choice of a subject line for your posted
article.

This isn't a sentence. It isn't even a lucid thought.

I have worse spelling than most and I don't always check for typos when I post
here. This forum is about the exchange of ideas, it's not a freaking spelling
bee... although if it was, you would lose.



Joe Egan
EMP
Colchester, VT
www.eganmedia.com

"Jay - atldigi" wrote in message
...

Just look at this group. Look at all the erroneous pop knowledge,
technical misconceptions, and fiercely held positions based on
pseudo-scientific nonsense. If we were doctors, 80% of our patients
would probably die. Thank gooness it's only audio. For the future health
of our business and quality of our craft, I think we should stress the
importance of both quality education and effective apprenticeship. Both
are often lacking, but both are vitally important.

These are wise words IMO.
One thing though: Because it's only audio, it doesn't necessarily mean that
you're half-assed if you don't know all the components of all your equipment
inside out and on top of that know all about acoustics, electricity,
psychoacoustics, music theory, etc.

It's good to know the basics of them all, but how "deep" would you really
wanna get with understanding how sound waves travel, for example?

That's the reason we have acousticians, musicians, engineers, producers, all
as different human beings. g Yes, let's admit it: one man cannot know the
whole universe even if he studied it for 75 years.

Personally I'm interested in all things related to audio and music, but at
the same I know that I have a limited amount of time on this planet, so I
try to concentrate more on art than science, since it is my main interest; I
don't really care if someone knows how electricity travels through my
equalizer better than me. What matters more to me is how will the end result
of my recording sound when compared to the other guy's track.

In article , "Tommi"
wrote:


inside out and on top of that know all about acoustics, electricity,
psychoacoustics, music theory, etc.


You need to have a general base of knowledge in these areas, but you
don't have to know everything about everything. Even doctors have
specialties.

--
Jay Frigoletto
Mastersuite
Los Angeles
promastering.com

"Jay - atldigi" wrote in message
...
In article , "Tommi"
wrote:


inside out and on top of that know all about acoustics, electricity,
psychoacoustics, music theory, etc.


You need to have a general base of knowledge in these areas, but you
don't have to know everything about everything. Even doctors have
specialties.

Of course. That was the whole point of my text, but even when speaking about
"knowing the basics", it's hard at least for myself to define what are the
basics of, say psychoacoustics for example, since the more you learn, the
more interesting it gets.
It essentially comes down to making a conscious decision about when to stop
spending that 4 hours of your day reading about how the ear and your brain
process a sound, and start moving to the control room. g

fwiw, i'll give you my (A) history into the biz, and then (B) offer a
suggestion as to how you may land an internship only from my
experience:

(A)
i was supposed to go to school for computer programming,
unfortunately, sitting at a desk for hours each day only gave my time
to think about how much i wanted to be recording. got a job as a
carpenter and literally spent every dime on used beat up gear. since
i was pretty handy with an iron, i could get broken/incomplete stuff
cheap and fix it. at first, i recorded my own stuff/band, never
thought i'd record anyone else, but after i had a few $K in gear
(tascam 38, m50 console, akg414, etc), i realized i had to do
something more to justify the money i had invested. i started
recording other bands for free in my apartment. then i started going
to clubs and offering to record bands i liked for next to nothing.
word started to spread and so on.

carpentry paid off since it helped my build a good sounding room in a
cool building in a cool south saint louis neighborhood, now i can
offer experience, analog equipment (a very rare bird in this town that
a lot of bands still prefer) a good room and competitive rates. i've
also since worked out having a few other engineers work out of this
room for a room rate -- i don't make a ton off of the deal, but the
bills get paid while i'm out on the motorbike. . .

all of that said, i often get resume's in the e/mail for internships.
people telling me they'll sell their left nut to come in here and
sweep the floors. as a college dropout i (nihilistically) don't care
about formal education, although if you told me you had an audio
degree from NYU or an EE degree from MIT, etc., i'd pay you just to
let me ask you some questions. . . fullsail, not so much -- all that
tells me you can run a protools rig . . .

i do run into people that tell me personally that they want to intern
here, and i'm down for it -- they're into cool music, they have some
musical background, and they have some degree of style, but it never
seems to work out, so here is the nugget of info (if any) this post
may hold for you:

(B)
i don't mind the idea of an intern, but i get by fine without one. so
why should i hassle to get someone in here? i shouldn't. to date,
everyone has talked about wanting to come in, but hasn't gotten down
to making it happen. the only thing i can say, is find a studio you
think you'd like to work in, one whose asthetic jives with yours
(don't fake this), and research as much as you can (website, bands
that record there, perhaps talk to some people that have recorded
there, visit to the studio), try to get a feel for how the place
works, then figure out a way that you can HELP out. work up a deal,
then approach the studio manager/owner with a plan that benefits both
of you. because that's why any of us audio/music/entertainment biz
assholes do anything, because it benefits US.


anyway, best regards and best of luck.

c deckard
radiopenny
saint louis moe.




uperman (PHILLYSTRES) wrote in message ...
I desparately,want to be an Audio Engineer......Period. I heard from many
people, including Graduates that Full Sail(http://www.fullsail.com)is not worth
the time and money. What is ther best way to become and Audio engineer???

In article , "Tommi"
wrote:

inside out and on top of that know all about acoustics, electricity,
psychoacoustics, music theory, etc.

You need to have a general base of knowledge in these areas, but you
don't have to know everything about everything. Even doctors have
specialties.

Of course. That was the whole point of my text, but even when speaking

I understood. I was just following the train of thought and clarifying a
point.

--
Jay Frigoletto
Mastersuite
Los Angeles
promastering.com

"Jay - atldigi" wrote in message
...
In article , "Tommi"
wrote:

inside out and on top of that know all about acoustics, electricity,
psychoacoustics, music theory, etc.

You need to have a general base of knowledge in these areas, but you
don't have to know everything about everything. Even doctors have
specialties.

Of course. That was the whole point of my text, but even when speaking

I understood. I was just following the train of thought and clarifying a
point.


I like your doctor analogy because it emphasizes the sometimes forgotten
aspect of audio engineering, responsibility about your own work.

I'm actually interested in becoming a studio engineer myself. This is
my first visit to rec.audio.pro

I'm currently a Computer Science junior at Cornell University (Ithaca,
NY), and wonder if it will help me in any fashion. Any advice on
this? My suspicion is that it won't help me at all, but I'm pretty
far along in my degree, so leaving any ivy league education incomplete
would be very unfortunate.

I currently perform in Last Call, a Cornell all-male acappella group
(2002 ICCA runner-ups). I started my collecting pieces to my own
modest rig to record my group. Setup with a digidesign MBox, Rode NTK
tube mic, Rode NT1a, and a Rode NT3 to record solos, backing vocals,
and beat box respectively.

I do the recording and editing, while the mixing is being done
professionally by Bill Hare who specializes in acappella at Bill Hare
Productions (www.dyz.com/studio). I currently have a couple tracks
up, and am wondering if you had any suggestions on what to do/fix what
we have done.

http://www.people.cornell.edu/pages/...reeFalling.mp3

Any suggestions on how to break into the recording business? Are the
venues to pursuing internships in the industry documented in any
fashion, or is it simply a matter of contacting studios you are
interested in by email and setting up an interview?

Thanks,
G

(mr c deckard) wrote in message . com...
fwiw, i'll give you my (A) history into the biz, and then (B) offer a
suggestion as to how you may land an internship only from my
experience:

(A)
i was supposed to go to school for computer programming,
unfortunately, sitting at a desk for hours each day only gave my time
to think about how much i wanted to be recording. got a job as a
carpenter and literally spent every dime on used beat up gear. since
i was pretty handy with an iron, i could get broken/incomplete stuff
cheap and fix it. at first, i recorded my own stuff/band, never
thought i'd record anyone else, but after i had a few $K in gear
(tascam 38, m50 console, akg414, etc), i realized i had to do
something more to justify the money i had invested. i started
recording other bands for free in my apartment. then i started going
to clubs and offering to record bands i liked for next to nothing.
word started to spread and so on.

carpentry paid off since it helped my build a good sounding room in a
cool building in a cool south saint louis neighborhood, now i can
offer experience, analog equipment (a very rare bird in this town that
a lot of bands still prefer) a good room and competitive rates. i've
also since worked out having a few other engineers work out of this
room for a room rate -- i don't make a ton off of the deal, but the
bills get paid while i'm out on the motorbike. . .

all of that said, i often get resume's in the e/mail for internships.
people telling me they'll sell their left nut to come in here and
sweep the floors. as a college dropout i (nihilistically) don't care
about formal education, although if you told me you had an audio
degree from NYU or an EE degree from MIT, etc., i'd pay you just to
let me ask you some questions. . . fullsail, not so much -- all that
tells me you can run a protools rig . . .

i do run into people that tell me personally that they want to intern
here, and i'm down for it -- they're into cool music, they have some
musical background, and they have some degree of style, but it never
seems to work out, so here is the nugget of info (if any) this post
may hold for you:

(B)
i don't mind the idea of an intern, but i get by fine without one. so
why should i hassle to get someone in here? i shouldn't. to date,
everyone has talked about wanting to come in, but hasn't gotten down
to making it happen. the only thing i can say, is find a studio you
think you'd like to work in, one whose asthetic jives with yours
(don't fake this), and research as much as you can (website, bands
that record there, perhaps talk to some people that have recorded
there, visit to the studio), try to get a feel for how the place
works, then figure out a way that you can HELP out. work up a deal,
then approach the studio manager/owner with a plan that benefits both
of you. because that's why any of us audio/music/entertainment biz
assholes do anything, because it benefits US.


anyway, best regards and best of luck.

c deckard
radiopenny
saint louis moe.




uperman (PHILLYSTRES) wrote in message ...
I desparately,want to be an Audio Engineer......Period. I heard from many
people, including Graduates that Full Sail(http://www.fullsail.com)is not worth
the time and money. What is ther best way to become and Audio engineer???

Gei-Tai Lin wrote:

I'm currently a Computer Science junior at Cornell University (Ithaca,
NY), and wonder if it will help me in any fashion. Any advice on
this? My suspicion is that it won't help me at all, but I'm pretty
far along in my degree, so leaving any ivy league education incomplete
would be very unfortunate.

Yes, it will help you a lot. Take a numerical analysis class. Take
any classes you can get in scientific computing. There is a BIG demand
for folks to do signal processing software for audio out there. If you
can even install and maintain the stuff, let alone write it, there is
a much better market for your skills than just someone who can mix and
track well.

Also, take a music theory class. I wish I had taken a music theory class
when I was an undergrad. Go to the EE school there and at least take
DC and AC circuit theory. Audit the audio electronics class. Try and
get some background in electronics.

Go work at the college radio station as an engineering intern. EVERY
college station needs people with basic maintenance skills, and this is
also a good place to learn about music as well, and to get contact with
people in the local music scenes.

Any suggestions on how to break into the recording business? Are the
venues to pursuing internships in the industry documented in any
fashion, or is it simply a matter of contacting studios you are
interested in by email and setting up an interview?

It's a matter of contact studios AND telling them what you can offer
them. That latter part is the part that most folks seem to miss. Be
aware that there are a LOT of people applying. I probably get five to
ten resumes faxed to me a week, and I am a one-man operation and have no
intention of ever taking on an intern. I'd hate to see what the big studios
get.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article ,
(Gei-Tai Lin) wrote:

I'm actually interested in becoming a studio engineer myself. This is
my first visit to rec.audio.pro

I'm currently a Computer Science junior at Cornell University (Ithaca,
NY), and wonder if it will help me in any fashion. Any advice on
this? My suspicion is that it won't help me at all, but I'm pretty
far along in my degree, so leaving any ivy league education incomplete
would be very unfortunate.

By all means, finish the degree. It will definitely help, if not the
first time you try to work at a studio, certainly in the grand scheme of
your life and career. It opens all kind of interesting possibilities of
working in the industry. You could use it as a back door to get into
studio recording if you chose. As a computer science major you could get
a job at Digidesign working on the Pro Tools app and learn a lot about
audio, visit some studios, talk to some engineers, develop a network,
and use that as your back door into a studio. Anybody would love to have
a former digi employee who knew the app inside and out.

There are other ways to use it to your advantage as well. Having a
degree like that just shows that you have a head for technical matters
and will work hard enough to follow through on a project, like finishing
school! It can only help.

--
Jay Frigoletto
Mastersuite
Los Angeles
promastering.com

Scott Dorsey wrote:

Gei-Tai Lin wrote:

I'm currently a Computer Science junior at Cornell University (Ithaca,
NY), and wonder if it will help me in any fashion. Any advice on
this? My suspicion is that it won't help me at all, but I'm pretty
far along in my degree, so leaving any ivy league education incomplete
would be very unfortunate.

Yes, it will help you a lot. Take a numerical analysis class. Take
any classes you can get in scientific computing. There is a BIG demand
for folks to do signal processing software for audio out there. If you
can even install and maintain the stuff, let alone write it, there is
a much better market for your skills than just someone who can mix and
track well.


Are you serious? I don't see it. I suspect it's observer bias, though.

There's a lot of demand for people doing DSP for digital radio systems
and such, but that's a heck of a lot more involved than audio frequency
signals processing. At least the rates are higher, and the value
added is being able to inferentially analyze results wihtout
having all the data in a dump.

This is really strong
masters level/PhD level work. I've no doubt that a talented person
with a bachelors can do it, but the chance of getting the instruction
really needed in those sort of transforms is not very likely at the
bachelors level.

I mean, it can't hurt to learn it, but as a marketable skill, it
seems to get a big yawn out there. Applying discrete transform stuff
in say, the VST toolkit is not at all a difficult thing, as those
things go.

Also, take a music theory class. I wish I had taken a music theory class
when I was an undergrad. Go to the EE school there and at least take
DC and AC circuit theory. Audit the audio electronics class. Try and
get some background in electronics.


If the physics department offers an instrumentation class, this is
a Good Thing, especially if it's the Junior Physics Lab done
electronically...

Go work at the college radio station as an engineering intern. EVERY
college station needs people with basic maintenance skills, and this is
also a good place to learn about music as well, and to get contact with
people in the local music scenes.

Any suggestions on how to break into the recording business? Are the
venues to pursuing internships in the industry documented in any
fashion, or is it simply a matter of contacting studios you are
interested in by email and setting up an interview?

It's a matter of contact studios AND telling them what you can offer
them. That latter part is the part that most folks seem to miss. Be
aware that there are a LOT of people applying. I probably get five to
ten resumes faxed to me a week, and I am a one-man operation and have no
intention of ever taking on an intern. I'd hate to see what the big studios
get.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."


--
Les Cargill

Les Cargill wrote:

There's a lot of demand for people doing DSP for digital radio systems
and such, but that's a heck of a lot more involved than audio frequency
signals processing. At least the rates are higher, and the value
added is being able to inferentially analyze results wihtout
having all the data in a dump.

This is really strong
masters level/PhD level work. I've no doubt that a talented person
with a bachelors can do it, but the chance of getting the instruction
really needed in those sort of transforms is not very likely at the
bachelors level.

Yes. Same with the stuff like filter design for digital audio and the
NR systems design. Right now a lot of that is proprietary and right
now most of is is going to require MS-level stuff minimum, but in five or
ten years that's not going to be the case. And now is the time to learn
how that stuff works inside.

When I got an "information and computer science" degree, I got a whole lot
of information theory stuff and a lot of continuous math, but I suspect
that this isn't the case any longer. But knowing basic differential equations,
Fourier theory, and Laplace transforms will take you a long way in terms
of developing audio software.

I mean, it can't hurt to learn it, but as a marketable skill, it
seems to get a big yawn out there. Applying discrete transform stuff
in say, the VST toolkit is not at all a difficult thing, as those
things go.

Right, and it's getting easier. But it's still important to know what is
going on inside those black boxes.

Also, take a music theory class. I wish I had taken a music theory class
when I was an undergrad. Go to the EE school there and at least take
DC and AC circuit theory. Audit the audio electronics class. Try and
get some background in electronics.


If the physics department offers an instrumentation class, this is
a Good Thing, especially if it's the Junior Physics Lab done
electronically...

Absolutely! Just the week or so of discussion on grounding is probably
worth auditing. I never got that until it was too late.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

As everyone else has said a Full Sail is what you make of it. I know
some people who have gone and know enuff to cause a major catastrophe.

Of course that has been my only experience with students from there,
but this but one man's opinion.

I got my start at Age 11 and was doing Radio by 14 and held a full time
Job as a an engineer (FOH) by 20. I went into the studio side of things
at 24 and was blessed to have apprenticed under a great engineer.
personally I believe, because that is how I learned, that is the best
way to go. Even after completing Full Sail I'd recomend an
apprenticeship.

I started going to school and was bored aceing all the exams. Trust me
though, the Theory you learn is very important and if you dont have the
wherewithall to learn it on your own, reading studying, etc... then a
school is a good idea. I loved reading and learning and studying in my
own spare time. (hence me aceing tests on all the theory and a lot of
practical)

I eventually dropped out because the one thing I wanted to learn they
could not teach me. HOW TO MIX. My Apprenticeship taught me that and
the only thing I think I might have missed in school was learning
protocol. I had to learn that the hard way. Getting cussed out often.
LOL

But I made it and life is good.

Just my .02




On 2004-03-04 00:57:04 -0500, uperman (PHILLYSTRES) said:

I desparately,want to be an Audio Engineer......Period. I heard from many
people, including Graduates that Full Sail(http://www.fullsail.com)is not worth
the time and money. What is ther best way to become and Audio engineer???

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For the original poster:


First I'd suggest learning to communicatre before you spend money on a
recording school.

tHe correct phrase would be "becoming an engineer" and not "becoming
and engineer."

IT matters not whether you're planning on recording or something else
as a career. LEarning to communicate in both written adn spoken
ENglish is important here in this country. IT matters not if you can
drive an SSL if you can't communicate effectively.

I hope once you've made up your mind that your resume presents you in
a better light than your choice of a subject line for your posted
article.





Richard Webb
Electric Spider Productions
REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email

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