Spike Lee says rap is dangerous

Continuing his criticism of rap, Spike Lee told an audience at Brown
University that popular music portrays blacks in a negative light.

http://go.jitbot.com/spike-lee-rap-danger

What would rap be more dangerous than ignorance and the lost of freedom of
speech??

Morris

"Morris" wrote in message
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Spike Lee says rap is dangerous

Continuing his criticism of rap, Spike Lee told an audience at Brown
University that popular music portrays blacks in a negative light.

http://go.jitbot.com/spike-lee-rap-danger

What would rap be more dangerous than ignorance and the lost of freedom
of
speech??

I don't know where you get the freedom of speech angle. His solution was
to just not buy the stuff in favor of music that didn't portrait black men
as pimps and ganstas.

dtk

His solution was
to just not buy the stuff in favor of music that didn't portrait black men
as pimps and ganstas.


But those are obviously black ideals.
(Mark Steven Brooks/Elaterium Music)

His solution was
to just not buy the stuff in favor of music that didn't portrait black men
as pimps and ganstas.


But those are obviously black ideals.

It's more of an urban culture ideal. I work with plenty of black HipHop
artists..many Christians..who have no such ideals. It's more about what the
young rappers surround themselves with..like everything..a choice.
Lately I've been busting some nuts..I ask all the young "gangsta" artists to
show me there guns...haven't seen one yet!!
It's like hardcore guys that have a totally tattooed bodies and dozens of
piercings..and sit here eating sushi and drinking tea.





John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

"Blind Joni" wrote in message
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It's like hardcore guys that have a totally tattooed bodies and dozens of
piercings..and sit here eating sushi and drinking tea.

You mean the Yakuza?

dtk

Mark Steven Brooks wrote:

His solution was
to just not buy the stuff in favor of music that didn't portrait black men
as pimps and ganstas.


But those are obviously black ideals.


Funny how something can be so obvious and so untrue at the same time.
You and Spike are both generalizing horribly. The only rap I'm very
familiar with is the local scene that's very much NOT about the gang
lifestyle. And there's plenty more black culture all around us that
show people without those ideals, with much more positive lifestyles
and values. So I have to say you're full of ****.


ulysses

On 04 Dec 2003 22:14:51 GMT, (Blind Joni) wrote:

His solution was
to just not buy the stuff in favor of music that didn't portrait black men
as pimps and ganstas.


But those are obviously black ideals.

It's more of an urban culture ideal. I work with plenty of black HipHop
artists..many Christians..who have no such ideals. It's more about what the
young rappers surround themselves with..like everything..a choice.
Lately I've been busting some nuts..I ask all the young "gangsta" artists to
show me there guns...haven't seen one yet!!


I like the guy we get in here from a little village in Alaska who raps
about drive-bys.

On what? A Ski-Doo?


Garbage in Garbage out.

Kurt Riemann

I'm not really a rap fan, but there are a few positive rap artists
without all that self-induced, idealistic,
ganster-pimp-ass-cap-poppin' stereotype bull****:

Jurassic 5 is one rap artist that comes to mind. I enjoy and respect
them.




On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:24:58 -0600, Justin Ulysses Morse
wrote:

Mark Steven Brooks wrote:

His solution was
to just not buy the stuff in favor of music that didn't portrait black men
as pimps and ganstas.


But those are obviously black ideals.


Funny how something can be so obvious and so untrue at the same time.
You and Spike are both generalizing horribly. The only rap I'm very
familiar with is the local scene that's very much NOT about the gang
lifestyle. And there's plenty more black culture all around us that
show people without those ideals, with much more positive lifestyles
and values. So I have to say you're full of ****.


ulysses

Kurt Riemann wrote:

On 04 Dec 2003 22:14:51 GMT, (Blind Joni) wrote:


His solution was
to just not buy the stuff in favor of music that didn't portrait black men
as pimps and ganstas.


But those are obviously black ideals.

It's more of an urban culture ideal. I work with plenty of black HipHop
artists..many Christians..who have no such ideals. It's more about what the
young rappers surround themselves with..like everything..a choice.
Lately I've been busting some nuts..I ask all the young "gangsta" artists to
show me there guns...haven't seen one yet!!



I like the guy we get in here from a little village in Alaska who raps
about drive-bys.

On what? A Ski-Doo?


Garbage in Garbage out.

Kurt Riemann




Who can take Spike Lee seriously anymore. After he went after the SPIKE
TV network for using his name I lost all interest in the guy. And how
about the way he acts at Basketball games? He should straighten himself
out before criticizing others. It's like Bill Clinton lecturing us on
marital fidelity or George Bush on how to fairly win an election.

(Blind Joni) wrote in message ...
His solution was
to just not buy the stuff in favor of music that didn't portrait black men
as pimps and ganstas.


But those are obviously black ideals.

It's more of an urban culture ideal. I work with plenty of black HipHop
artists..many Christians..who have no such ideals. It's more about what the
young rappers surround themselves with..like everything..a choice.
Lately I've been busting some nuts..I ask all the young "gangsta" artists to
show me there guns...haven't seen one yet!!
It's like hardcore guys that have a totally tattooed bodies and dozens of
piercings..and sit here eating sushi and drinking tea.

i've done a good deal of hip-hop in chicago and worked with some
groups from a few of the rapidly disappearing projects on the south
side. i've seen quite a few guns being toted into the studio. the guys
were always cool with me and the guns were never an issue for me...at
least as far as any altercations or anything.

i'm morally opposed to the use of violence as a solution in all but
the most extreme cases...but, honestly, living where and how i live
and the fact that i'm a young white male i think affords me moral
luxuries that might not be so easy for me to hold so strongly to if i
had grown up or was currently living in a different situation...not
just in the american inner-city, but in any impoverished, war-torn or
otherwise violent area in the world.

anyway, make no mistake about it: just because your clients don't
carry guns or 'live the life' they're rapping about, doesn't mean it's
like that across the board or simply a lot of talk about things that
none of these artists take or have taken part in. certainly it is
those things sometimes, but not always...

it truly is a sad state of affairs...

Did you really write that?!!??!

"Mark Steven Brooks" wrote in message
...
His solution was
to just not buy the stuff in favor of music that didn't portrait black men
as pimps and ganstas.


But those are obviously black ideals.
(Mark Steven Brooks/Elaterium Music)

Did you really write that?!!??!

"Mark Steven Brooks" wrote in message
...
His solution was
to just not buy the stuff in favor of music that didn't portrait black men
as pimps and ganstas.


But those are obviously black ideals.


Yes, I really wrote that. If they weren't their ideals then then these
'artists' wouldn't be promoting and glorifying these images in their work
would they?
(Mark Steven Brooks/Elaterium Music)

I think most of us are making the same point. You are right to say
that most of the black population are not like this, even the rappers
you know and work with are not like this. THAT IS THE POINT. That is
why he feels we shouldn't support those that support the idea that
they are. I think he feels that if we buy tons of albums from artists
that portray the black culture in a demeaning light as pimps and
gangsta's then the record companies will keep pumping it out and
finding these select few who like to portray that and in turn make the
exception seem like the rule. I don't think he wants rap music banned
(Censorship), I just think he wants others to use thier "vote" to
encourage something a little more healthy for the culture. Wether we
like it or not, people work off of reinforcement, and anything we
purchase reinforces that. Therefore the advise I am taking and
applying is to make sure I am reinforcing those things I believe in
and want to see more off. On the flip side of that to not reinforce
those things that I think increase stereotypes and values I don't
agree with. You can't put a canopy on rap or any other music and say
it IS one thing. It is depends on each artist and action. Support
what you want, and abort what you don't.

anyway, make no mistake about it: just because your clients don't
carry guns or 'live the life' they're rapping about, doesn't mean it's
like that across the board or simply a lot of talk about things that
none of these artists take or have taken part in. certainly it is
those things sometimes, but not always...

it truly is a sad state of affairs...


Oh..I agree completely. I've been at my location for 6 1/2 years and about half
my business is Hip Hop. As with most music styles a small percentage of that
has a hope in hell of any commercial success. The sadder thing is that the
lifestyle these young men continue to wallow in is bad for everyone not just
them. Totally irresponsible behavior with their wives, families, friends and
the law. I sometimes wish I could get a magic glove and slap ''em up side the
head and let them see an alternative for just a few seconds but I don't have
high hopes for any of them...too bad. They can't see that being the way they
are is exactly what will keep them where they are.




John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

On Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:51:01 -0500, "Morris"
wrote:

Spike Lee says rap is dangerous

Continuing his criticism of rap, Spike Lee told an audience at Brown
University that popular music portrays blacks in a negative light.

http://go.jitbot.com/spike-lee-rap-danger

Considering that this is the director who started off Do The Right
Thing with Public Enemy's Fight The Power, I don't think he has any
problem with rap music. Indeed, even the article, which is both short
and transparently muckraking, quotes him as criticizing gangsta rap in
particular, as well as the more toxic elements of contemporary black
culture in general.

What would rap be more dangerous than ignorance and the lost of freedom of
speech??

I also don't recall reading that he said anything about censorship -
what he was doing was encouraging people to think about the music they
buy and what is its message. This is the sort of message we need more
of in the world - to not have people like Spike Lee saying these
things is what's dangerous.


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On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:01:47 -0900, Kurt Riemann wrote:

I like the guy we get in here from a little village in Alaska who raps
about drive-bys.

On what? A Ski-Doo?

That reminds me, I got invited to a Powwow last summer (I'm whiter
than China, but my friend's daughter was dancing for the first time),
and while I was sitting and listening to the drumming, I realized that
putting together an aboriginal hip hop band using traditional beats
would be a great idea for a new band. Sure enough, a couple of months
later I saw a video by a band from up north that had done just that.
There's always a new idea out there waiting.


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On 05 Dec 2003 18:49:58 GMT, (Mark Steven Brooks)
wrote:

His solution was
to just not buy the stuff in favor of music that didn't portrait black men
as pimps and ganstas.

But those are obviously black ideals.

Yes, I really wrote that. If they weren't their ideals then then these
'artists' wouldn't be promoting and glorifying these images in their work
would they?

Wow. I thought you were joking. That's amazing, really, cause it
highlights how rare it is to meet someone who is openly racist.
Congratulations, you're a walking anachronism.



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