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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
Kind of ice blue?
-Neb ---Original Message--- In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two Tufts University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a popular myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will change the sound for the better. Rather, they told the Acoustical Society of America meeting in Austin, Tex., that scientific testing of cryogenically freezing ten trumpets showed minimal differences when the instruments were thawed and played by six musicians." The research involved trumpeters "ranging in skill from a former high school musician to a New England Conservatory player to a member of the Boston Symphony Orchestra." Still, Schwadron quotes a retailer, Wayne Tanabe, who continues to offer cryogenic freezing in a tank "where he can fit a tuba and several trumpets. His freeze technique costs about $200 and takes 35 to 50 hours. As Mr. Tanabe explains it, cryogenics accelerates what seems to happen to brass instruments as they age," resulting in "a difference in ease of playing and in the range of 'color' in the tone." ------------------------------ |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
"clamnebula" wrote in message .. . Kind of ice blue? -Neb ---Original Message--- In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two Tufts University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a popular myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will change the sound for the better. Rather, they told the Acoustical Society of America meeting in Austin, Tex., that scientific testing of cryogenically freezing ten trumpets showed minimal differences when the instruments were thawed and played by six musicians." The research involved trumpeters "ranging in skill from a former high school musician to a New England Conservatory player to a member of the Boston Symphony Orchestra." Still, Schwadron quotes a retailer, Wayne Tanabe, who continues to offer cryogenic freezing in a tank "where he can fit a tuba and several trumpets. His freeze technique costs about $200 and takes 35 to 50 hours. As Mr. Tanabe explains it, cryogenics accelerates what seems to happen to brass instruments as they age," resulting in "a difference in ease of playing and in the range of 'color' in the tone." ------------------------------ I bet that guy offers CD degaussing too . . . John L Rice |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
I thought it was the musicians who got frozen...?
DOH...! -- Steven Sena XS Sound www.xssound.com "clamnebula" wrote in message .. . Kind of ice blue? -Neb ---Original Message--- In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two Tufts University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a popular myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will change the sound for the better. Rather, they told the Acoustical Society of America meeting in Austin, Tex., that scientific testing of cryogenically freezing ten trumpets showed minimal differences when the instruments were thawed and played by six musicians." The research involved trumpeters "ranging in skill from a former high school musician to a New England Conservatory player to a member of the Boston Symphony Orchestra." Still, Schwadron quotes a retailer, Wayne Tanabe, who continues to offer cryogenic freezing in a tank "where he can fit a tuba and several trumpets. His freeze technique costs about $200 and takes 35 to 50 hours. As Mr. Tanabe explains it, cryogenics accelerates what seems to happen to brass instruments as they age," resulting in "a difference in ease of playing and in the range of 'color' in the tone." ------------------------------ |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
Still, Schwadron quotes a retailer, Wayne Tanabe, who
continues to offer cryogenic freezing in a tank "where he can fit a tuba and several trumpets. His freeze technique costs about $200 and takes 35 to 50 hours. As Mr. Tanabe explains it, cryogenics accelerates what seems to happen to brass instruments as they age," resulting in "a difference in ease of playing and in the range of 'color' in the tone." ------------------------------ I bet that guy offers CD degaussing too . . . Jeez, I hope they let those horns thaw out before they put their lips on 'em! =80 dave |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
Naw, old brass musicians just age..........
Chuck (horn player) "Steven Sena" wrote in message ... I thought it was the musicians who got frozen...? DOH...! -- Steven Sena XS Sound www.xssound.com "clamnebula" wrote in message .. . Kind of ice blue? -Neb ---Original Message--- In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two Tufts University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a popular myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will change the sound for the better. Rather, they told the Acoustical Society of America meeting in Austin, Tex., that scientific testing of cryogenically freezing ten trumpets showed minimal differences when the instruments were thawed and played by six musicians." The research involved trumpeters "ranging in skill from a former high school musician to a New England Conservatory player to a member of the Boston Symphony Orchestra." Still, Schwadron quotes a retailer, Wayne Tanabe, who continues to offer cryogenic freezing in a tank "where he can fit a tuba and several trumpets. His freeze technique costs about $200 and takes 35 to 50 hours. As Mr. Tanabe explains it, cryogenics accelerates what seems to happen to brass instruments as they age," resulting in "a difference in ease of playing and in the range of 'color' in the tone." ------------------------------ |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
"clamnebula" wrote in message .. . Kind of ice blue? -Neb ---Original Message--- In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two Tufts University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a popular myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will change the sound for the better. Rather, they told the Acoustical Society of America meeting in Austin, Tex., that scientific testing of cryogenically freezing ten trumpets showed minimal differences when the instruments were thawed and played by six musicians." The research involved trumpeters "ranging in skill from a former high school musician to a New England Conservatory player to a member of the Boston Symphony Orchestra." Still, Schwadron quotes a retailer, Wayne Tanabe, who continues to offer cryogenic freezing in a tank "where he can fit a tuba and several trumpets. His freeze technique costs about $200 and takes 35 to 50 hours. As Mr. Tanabe explains it, cryogenics accelerates what seems to happen to brass instruments as they age," resulting in "a difference in ease of playing and in the range of 'color' in the tone." ------------------------------ That's a 'new' trend with audiophiles, 'freezing' tubes, cables, etc. Here's a couple of threads from Head-Fi, a headphone forum on the subject. This guy has had good results with tubes: http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/showt...threadid=49910 And a general discussion he http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/showt...frozen+ tubes |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
"clamnebula" wrote in message
.. . Kind of ice blue? -Neb ---Original Message--- the sound for the better. Rather, they told the Acoustical Society of America meeting in Austin, Tex., that scientific testing of cryogenically freezing ten trumpets showed minimal differences when the instruments were thawed and played by six musicians." "Minimal differences" is significant. How many audiophiles pay tens of thousands of dollars for minimal differences? I think what they were looking for was "no difference". dtk |
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"Steven Sena" wrote in
: I thought it was the musicians who got frozen...? DOH...! Only during football games. |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
If the freezing process significantly alters the metal's "structure," then it
might very well produce audible changes in the instrument's timbre. |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
---Original Message--- In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two Tufts University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a popular myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will change the sound for the better. There have been a few reports from archtop guitar players that after their instument got dropped (usually while inside a hard shell case) or knocked over, the sound significantly improved. I guess the theory is that it relieves stress built up between different wooden parts as they aged. Maybe I could set up a business, charge $200, and drop people's guitars on the floor. Then somebody could spend $75,000 of university or taxpayers money showing it to be not helpful. Seems to be everybody wins. Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://users.bestweb.net/~wkyee Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http://www.bigbluebigband.org |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
"clamnebula" wrote in message .. . Kind of ice blue? -Neb ---Original Message--- In Tuesday's (11/18) New York Times, Terry Schwadron reports that two Tufts University engineering researchers have conducted a study "rebutting a popular myth among some trumpet players that deep-freezing the instruments will change the sound for the better. Imagine the blood when they player tries to rip his frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece ... geoff |
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"Chuck" wrote in message news:2XWvb.212073$9E1.1139607@attbi_s52... Naw, old brass musicians just age.......... Some tarnish .... geoff |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
"Willie K.Yee, M.D." wrote
There have been a few reports from archtop guitar players that after their instument got dropped (usually while inside a hard shell case) or knocked over, the sound significantly improved. I guess the theory is that it relieves stress built up between different wooden parts as they aged. Maybe I could set up a business, charge $200, and drop people's guitars on the floor. Just make sure that your business is well insured. -- Anthony Gosnell to reply remove nospam. |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
In article , Geoff Wood
-nospam wrote: Imagine the blood when they player tries to rip his frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece ... I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition. Tony |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
Imagine the blood when they player tries to rip his
frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece ... I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition. NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...! |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
In article , William Sommerwerck
wrote: Imagine the blood when they player tries to rip his frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece ... I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition. NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...! Their chief weapon is surprise. |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
Imagine the blood when they player tries
to rip his frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece... I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition. NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...! Their chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and a fundamental understanding of the laws of metallurgy... Their TWO chief weapons are surprise, surprise and a fundamental understanding of the laws of metallurgy, and a belief in the usefulness of subjective evaluation... |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
Tony Elka wrote:
In article , William Sommerwerck wrote: Imagine the blood when they player tries to rip his frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece ... I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition. NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...! Their chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and fear! AT |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message
... Imagine the blood when they player tries to rip his frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece... I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition. NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...! Their chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and a fundamental understanding of the laws of metallurgy... Their TWO chief weapons are surprise, surprise and a fundamental understanding of the laws of metallurgy, and a belief in the usefulness of subjective evaluation... Y'know, I sometimes wonder what somebody would make of a post like this, were they not familiar with the source material.... -- Kendall |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... Imagine the blood when they player tries to rip his frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece... I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition. NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...! Their chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and a fundamental understanding of the laws of metallurgy... Their TWO chief weapons are surprise, surprise and a fundamental understanding of the laws of metallurgy, and a belief in the usefulness of subjective evaluation... Is it oxygen-free brass ? geoff |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
OTOH Cryogenic treatment of rifle barrels has shown to produce created
greater accuracy. Apparently the freezing process does something to the molecular structure of the barrel that enhances it's performance. Eric |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message
Imagine the blood when they player tries to rip his frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece... I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition. NO ONE expects the Spanish Inquisition...! Their chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and a fundamental understanding of the laws of metallurgy... Which laws of metallurgy do you think apply here? Their TWO chief weapons are surprise, surprise and a fundamental understanding of the laws of metallurgy, and a belief in the usefulness of subjective evaluation... Would this be true subjective evaluation, or sighted evaluation? |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
"Geoff Wood" -nospam wrote in message ... Imagine the blood when they player tries to rip his frozen-on lips off the mouthpiece ... geoff D'oh. I played euphonium in high school marching band in Wisconsin. Been there, don't have to imagine it! -Scott |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
I'd love to know how they would prove that any changes aren't due solely to
the reaction that I imagine most players would have when sticking their lips against a frozen instrument. Ryan |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
I've still can't get a horn player to let me test the green magic marker
enhancement. -- Raindances always worked because they didn't stop dancing until it rained. To reply, please remove the 555 from the return address |
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
Anybody seen Ted Williams in there?
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Do frozen trumpets sound better?
Oh, whoops - I should have read that properly . . .
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