[Trevor]

On 1/09/2020 1:37 pm, geoff wrote:
On 1/09/2020 2:03 pm, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 31/08/2020 3:35 am, Les Cargill wrote:
The thing that makes it worse is that there really were "reds under
(some) bed(s)." It wasn't as bad in the US as in Britain, where the
Bloomsbury Group contained at least one asset of the KGB.

HUAC was a deeply anti-Semitic thing and as hapless an effort that's
been attempted.

Such a shame they never worried about the Fascists under the beds
like they did the Communists.

Fascists weren't on record as having as goal unhorsing the American
government.

Of course they weren't going after themselves!


I'd also say there never was a serious American Fascist
movement;

HaHa, only half of the USA would think Trump is not a Fascist! Wonder
what they thought Hitler was?


there was a Communist one. Even American nationalism worked
very differently from European nationalism. Of course there were
nominally roght wing things, but they were quite different - someone
could have fought Nazis and been say, a Bircher without skipping a beat.


True, but what is pretty 'normal' outlook on life in the USA is
considered to have many right-wing aspects by much of the world. And it
seems anything even vaguely approaching what much of the world would
consider as 'middle-of-the-road' (and that is approaching from the
right-hand side !) gets described as 'far-left' or communist by the
currently most vociferous.

It's always worked a treat for the fascists to call every one else
Communists. Especially since hardly anybody even knows what a socialist
is, thinks they are communists, and thinks Fascism is better than
communism, and by extension socialism.
But I think this may have gone a bit off topic!!! :-)

[Chuck[_14_]]

On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 14:32:05 +1000, Trevor wrote:

On 1/09/2020 1:37 pm, geoff wrote:
On 1/09/2020 2:03 pm, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 31/08/2020 3:35 am, Les Cargill wrote:
The thing that makes it worse is that there really were "reds under
(some) bed(s)." It wasn't as bad in the US as in Britain, where the
Bloomsbury Group contained at least one asset of the KGB.

HUAC was a deeply anti-Semitic thing and as hapless an effort that's
been attempted.

Such a shame they never worried about the Fascists under the beds
like they did the Communists.

Fascists weren't on record as having as goal unhorsing the American
government.

Of course they weren't going after themselves!


I'd also say there never was a serious American Fascist
movement;

HaHa, only half of the USA would think Trump is not a Fascist! Wonder
what they thought Hitler was?


there was a Communist one. Even American nationalism worked
very differently from European nationalism. Of course there were
nominally roght wing things, but they were quite different - someone
could have fought Nazis and been say, a Bircher without skipping a beat.


True, but what is pretty 'normal' outlook on life in the USA is
considered to have many right-wing aspects by much of the world. And it
seems anything even vaguely approaching what much of the world would
consider as 'middle-of-the-road' (and that is approaching from the
right-hand side !) gets described as 'far-left' or communist by the
currently most vociferous.

It's always worked a treat for the fascists to call every one else
Communists. Especially since hardly anybody even knows what a socialist
is, thinks they are communists, and thinks Fascism is better than
communism, and by extension socialism.
But I think this may have gone a bit off topic!!! :-)


They believe Hitler was a socialist. maybe because high school European history was taught by gym techers in many U.S. schools if taught at all..

[Les Cargill[_5_]]

Trevor wrote:
On 1/09/2020 1:37 pm, geoff wrote:
On 1/09/2020 2:03 pm, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 31/08/2020 3:35 am, Les Cargill wrote:
The thing that makes it worse is that there really were "reds under
(some) bed(s)." It wasn't as bad in the US as in Britain, where the
Bloomsbury Group contained at least one asset of the KGB.

HUAC was a deeply anti-Semitic thing and as hapless an effort that's
been attempted.

Such a shame they never worried about the Fascists under the beds
like they did the Communists.

Fascists weren't on record as having as goal unhorsing the American
government.

Of course they weren't going after themselves!


I'd also say there never was a serious American Fascist movement;

HaHa, only half of the USA would think Trump is not a Fascist!

Count me in that half, then. The guy's a reality TV star that
ran. He's not even a fascist. Then again, practically nobody is.


Wonder
what they thought Hitler was?


there was a Communist one. Even American nationalism worked
very differently from European nationalism. Of course there were
nominally roght wing things, but they were quite different - someone
could have fought Nazis and been say, a Bircher without skipping a beat.


True, but what is pretty 'normal' outlook on life in the USA is
considered to have many right-wing aspects by much of the world. And
it seems anything even vaguely approaching what much of the world
would consider as 'middle-of-the-road' (and that is approaching from
the right-hand side !) gets described as 'far-left' or communist by
the currently most vociferous.

It's always worked a treat for the fascists to call every one else
Communists. Especially since hardly anybody even knows what a socialist
is,

Exactly. Same problem.

thinks they are communists, and thinks Fascism is better than
communism, and by extension socialism.
But I think this may have gone a bit off topic!!! :-)





--
Les Cargill

[Trevor]

On 2/09/2020 9:53 am, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 1/09/2020 1:37 pm, geoff wrote:
On 1/09/2020 2:03 pm, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 31/08/2020 3:35 am, Les Cargill wrote:
The thing that makes it worse is that there really were "reds
under (some) bed(s)." It wasn't as bad in the US as in Britain,
where the
Bloomsbury Group contained at least one asset of the KGB.

HUAC was a deeply anti-Semitic thing and as hapless an effort that's
been attempted.

Such a shame they never worried about the Fascists under the beds
like they did the Communists.

Fascists weren't on record as having as goal unhorsing the American
government.

Of course they weren't going after themselves!


I'd also say there never was a serious American Fascist movement;

HaHa, only half of the USA would think Trump is not a Fascist!

Count me in that half, then. The guy's a reality TV star that
ran. He's not even a fascist. Then again, practically nobody is.


Trump has copied Hitler's playbook almost exactly to the letter, except
for declaring war on Poland and killing himself in his bunker. (we can
yet hope for the latter though) So I guess you don't think Hitler was a
Fascist either then? Everyone has their own definition I guess, but evil
is still evil whatever you want to call it!!

[geoff]

On 2/09/2020 6:59 pm, Trevor wrote:
On 2/09/2020 9:53 am, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 1/09/2020 1:37 pm, geoff wrote:
On 1/09/2020 2:03 pm, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 31/08/2020 3:35 am, Les Cargill wrote:
The thing that makes it worse is that there really were "reds
under (some) bed(s)." It wasn't as bad in the US as in Britain,
where the
Bloomsbury Group contained at least one asset of the KGB.

HUAC was a deeply anti-Semitic thing and as hapless an effort that's
been attempted.

Such a shame they never worried about the Fascists under the beds
like they did the Communists.

Fascists weren't on record as having as goal unhorsing the American
government.

Of course they weren't going after themselves!


I'd also say there never was a serious American Fascist movement;

HaHa, only half of the USA would think Trump is not a Fascist!

Count me in that half, then. The guy's a reality TV star that
ran. He's not even a fascist. Then again, practically nobody is.


Trump has copied Hitler's playbook almost exactly to the letter, except
for declaring war on Poland and killing himself in his bunker. (we can
yet hope for the latter though) So I guess you don't think Hitler was a
Fascist either then? Everyone has their own definition I guess, but evil
is still evil whatever you want to call it!!



Evil or just extreme ****witery ? Probably both.

If an audio producer he would demand mixes to the lowest common
denominator - compressed to ****, over-loud, over-tempo, EQed both
booming and screeching, illogical irrational and offensive lyrics, and
appealing to the least sophisticated (but significant, sadly ....) audience.

..... just to steer thread towards On Topic !

geoff

[Chris K-Man]

On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 3:34:33 AM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
On 2/09/2020 6:59 pm, Trevor wrote:
On 2/09/2020 9:53 am, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 1/09/2020 1:37 pm, geoff wrote:
On 1/09/2020 2:03 pm, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 31/08/2020 3:35 am, Les Cargill wrote:
The thing that makes it worse is that there really were "reds
under (some) bed(s)." It wasn't as bad in the US as in Britain,
where the
Bloomsbury Group contained at least one asset of the KGB.

HUAC was a deeply anti-Semitic thing and as hapless an effort that's
been attempted.

Such a shame they never worried about the Fascists under the beds
like they did the Communists.

Fascists weren't on record as having as goal unhorsing the American
government.

Of course they weren't going after themselves!


I'd also say there never was a serious American Fascist movement;

HaHa, only half of the USA would think Trump is not a Fascist!

Count me in that half, then. The guy's a reality TV star that
ran. He's not even a fascist. Then again, practically nobody is.


Trump has copied Hitler's playbook almost exactly to the letter, except
for declaring war on Poland and killing himself in his bunker. (we can
yet hope for the latter though) So I guess you don't think Hitler was a
Fascist either then? Everyone has their own definition I guess, but evil
is still evil whatever you want to call it!!


Evil or just extreme ****witery ? Probably both.

If an audio producer he would demand mixes to the lowest common
denominator - compressed to ****, over-loud, over-tempo, EQed both
booming and screeching, illogical irrational and offensive lyrics, and
appealing to the least sophisticated (but significant, sadly ....) audience.

.... just to steer thread towards On Topic !

geoff
________

Thank you for saying what when I say it, I get a bot on my tail!

[david gourley[_6_]]

Chris K-Man
:

On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 3:34:33 AM UTC-4, geoff wrote:
On 2/09/2020 6:59 pm, Trevor wrote:
On 2/09/2020 9:53 am, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 1/09/2020 1:37 pm, geoff wrote:
On 1/09/2020 2:03 pm, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 31/08/2020 3:35 am, Les Cargill wrote:
The thing that makes it worse is that there really were "reds
under (some) bed(s)." It wasn't as bad in the US as in Britain,
where the
Bloomsbury Group contained at least one asset of the KGB.

HUAC was a deeply anti-Semitic thing and as hapless an effort
that's been attempted.

Such a shame they never worried about the Fascists under the
beds like they did the Communists.

Fascists weren't on record as having as goal unhorsing the
American government.

Of course they weren't going after themselves!


I'd also say there never was a serious American Fascist movement;

HaHa, only half of the USA would think Trump is not a Fascist!

Count me in that half, then. The guy's a reality TV star that
ran. He's not even a fascist. Then again, practically nobody is.


Trump has copied Hitler's playbook almost exactly to the letter,
except for declaring war on Poland and killing himself in his bunker.
(we can yet hope for the latter though) So I guess you don't think
Hitler was a Fascist either then? Everyone has their own definition I
guess, but evil is still evil whatever you want to call it!!


Evil or just extreme ****witery ? Probably both.

If an audio producer he would demand mixes to the lowest common
denominator - compressed to ****, over-loud, over-tempo, EQed both
booming and screeching, illogical irrational and offensive lyrics, and
appealing to the least sophisticated (but significant, sadly ....)
audience.

.... just to steer thread towards On Topic !

geoff
________

Thank you for saying what when I say it, I get a bot on my
tail!


I take it that you didn't get the humour of his remark !

david

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[Trevor]

On 2/09/2020 5:34 pm, geoff wrote:
On 2/09/2020 6:59 pm, Trevor wrote:
On 2/09/2020 9:53 am, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 1/09/2020 1:37 pm, geoff wrote:
On 1/09/2020 2:03 pm, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 31/08/2020 3:35 am, Les Cargill wrote:
The thing that makes it worse is that there really were "reds
under (some) bed(s)." It wasn't as bad in the US as in Britain,
where the
Bloomsbury Group contained at least one asset of the KGB.

HUAC was a deeply anti-Semitic thing and as hapless an effort
that's
been attempted.

Such a shame they never worried about the Fascists under the beds
like they did the Communists.

Fascists weren't on record as having as goal unhorsing the
American government.

Of course they weren't going after themselves!


I'd also say there never was a serious American Fascist movement;

HaHa, only half of the USA would think Trump is not a Fascist!

Count me in that half, then. The guy's a reality TV star that
ran. He's not even a fascist. Then again, practically nobody is.


Trump has copied Hitler's playbook almost exactly to the letter,
except for declaring war on Poland and killing himself in his bunker.
(we can yet hope for the latter though) So I guess you don't think
Hitler was a Fascist either then? Everyone has their own definition I
guess, but evil is still evil whatever you want to call it!!


Evil or just extreme ****witery ? Probably both.

Definitely both!!! :-(


If an audio producer he would demand mixes to the lowest common
denominator - compressed to ****, over-loud, over-tempo, EQed both
booming and screeching, illogical irrational and offensive lyrics, and
appealing to the least sophisticated (but significant, sadly ....)
audience.

.... just to steer thread towards On Topic !

Very good! :-)

[Les Cargill[_5_]]

geoff wrote:
On 2/09/2020 6:59 pm, Trevor wrote:
On 2/09/2020 9:53 am, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 1/09/2020 1:37 pm, geoff wrote:
On 1/09/2020 2:03 pm, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 31/08/2020 3:35 am, Les Cargill wrote:
The thing that makes it worse is that there really were "reds
under (some) bed(s)." It wasn't as bad in the US as in Britain,
where the
Bloomsbury Group contained at least one asset of the KGB.

HUAC was a deeply anti-Semitic thing and as hapless an effort
that's
been attempted.

Such a shame they never worried about the Fascists under the beds
like they did the Communists.

Fascists weren't on record as having as goal unhorsing the
American government.

Of course they weren't going after themselves!


I'd also say there never was a serious American Fascist movement;

HaHa, only half of the USA would think Trump is not a Fascist!

Count me in that half, then. The guy's a reality TV star that
ran. He's not even a fascist. Then again, practically nobody is.


Trump has copied Hitler's playbook almost exactly to the letter,
except for declaring war on Poland and killing himself in his bunker.
(we can yet hope for the latter though) So I guess you don't think
Hitler was a Fascist either then? Everyone has their own definition I
guess, but evil is still evil whatever you want to call it!!



Evil or just extreme ****witery ? Probably both.

If an audio producer he would demand mixes to the lowest common
denominator - compressed to ****, over-loud, over-tempo, EQed both
booming and screeching, illogical irrational and offensive lyrics, and
appealing to the least sophisticated (but significant, sadly ....)
audience.

.... just to steer thread towards On Topic !

geoff


Them Nazis invented them tape recorders. So there ya go, chief. After
all the traffic here must be in the dozens per week...

( sorry, I've read Trevor for years, and felt I owed him a bit
of perspective. My bad. I worry when people fall into those simple
tropes. )

William Shirer wrote "Rise and Fall" decades ago and it's a worthy book.

--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill[_5_]]

Trevor wrote:
On 2/09/2020 9:53 am, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 1/09/2020 1:37 pm, geoff wrote:
On 1/09/2020 2:03 pm, Les Cargill wrote:
Trevor wrote:
On 31/08/2020 3:35 am, Les Cargill wrote:
The thing that makes it worse is that there really were "reds
under (some) bed(s)." It wasn't as bad in the US as in Britain,
where the
Bloomsbury Group contained at least one asset of the KGB.

HUAC was a deeply anti-Semitic thing and as hapless an effort that's
been attempted.

Such a shame they never worried about the Fascists under the beds
like they did the Communists.

Fascists weren't on record as having as goal unhorsing the American
government.

Of course they weren't going after themselves!


I'd also say there never was a serious American Fascist movement;

HaHa, only half of the USA would think Trump is not a Fascist!

Count me in that half, then. The guy's a reality TV star that
ran. He's not even a fascist. Then again, practically nobody is.


Trump has copied Hitler's playbook almost exactly to the letter, except
for declaring war on Poland and killing himself in his bunker. (we can
yet hope for the latter though) So I guess you don't think Hitler was a
Fascist either then?

Of course he was. Trump's simply nothing like Hitler.

I can only recommend Shirer's book and move on.

Everyone has their own definition I guess, but evil
is still evil whatever you want to call it!!



--
Les Cargill