[geoff]

On 22/07/2020 1:43 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
geoff wrote:
Why should that be any more difficult for daisy-chaining than XLR
female/male or jack ins/outs on a speaker, which are usually 'panel'
anyway ?

You can't daisy-chain XLRs, 1/4 phone, Socapex, or Canon P connectors either,
all of which are popular for speakers.

But you can daisy-chain banana plugs and spade terminals.
--scott


I though the qualification 'panel' implied parallel connectors mounted
on a panel (or chassis, or whatever), in which case a doddle for any
connector.

Just don't hang too much cable-weight on those piggy-backed bananas !

geoff

[Les Cargill[_5_]]

geoff wrote:
On 22/07/2020 1:43 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
geoffÂ* wrote:
Why should that be any more difficult for daisy-chaining than XLR
female/male or jack ins/outs on a speaker, which are usually 'panel'
anyway ?

You can't daisy-chain XLRs, 1/4 phone, Socapex, or Canon P connectors
either,
all of which are popular for speakers.

But you can daisy-chain banana plugs and spade terminals.
--scott


I though the qualification 'panel' implied parallel connectors mounted
on a panel (or chassis, or whatever), in which case a doddle for any
connector.


It did.

For some reason, every MI grade PA or bass guitar box ever made had two
1/4" jacks to enable daisy-chaining. I can think of no examples with
Speakon, probably because of panel real estate.

A time-honored way to set up especially a bass rig is to use a pair of 8
ohm boxes in parallel driven by a 4 ohm amp.

Not an issue with controlled configurations where you want things to
hook up only one way and can spend some engineering making it that way.

Just don't hang too much cable-weight on those piggy-backed bananas !


I've never used those in anger.

geoff

--
Les Cargill

[Phil Allison[_4_]]

Les Cargill wrote:

===============

For some reason, every MI grade PA or bass guitar box ever made had two
1/4" jacks to enable daisy-chaining. I can think of no examples with
Speakon, probably because of panel real estate.


** Because most bass ( and many other) amps now have TWIN speakon outlets.

What an idiot remark you posted.

As usual.

...... Phil

[Trevor]

On 23/07/2020 11:20 am, Les Cargill wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 22/07/2020 1:43 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
geoffÂ* wrote:
Why should that be any more difficult for daisy-chaining than XLR
female/male or jack ins/outs on a speaker, which are usually 'panel'
anyway ?

You can't daisy-chain XLRs, 1/4 phone, Socapex, or Canon P connectors
either,
all of which are popular for speakers.

But you can daisy-chain banana plugs and spade terminals.

I though the qualification 'panel' implied parallel connectors mounted
on a panel (or chassis, or whatever), in which case a doddle for any
connector.

It did.
For some reason, every MI grade PA or bass guitar box ever made had two
1/4" jacks to enable daisy-chaining. I can think of no examples with
Speakon, probably because of panel real estate.


You are kidding right? All my PA speaker boxes have Speakon in and out.
Most have for a couple of decades. Last century it wasn't so common I
guess. I did have to convert a very old speaker that had XLR's and phone
sockets only. But that was 80's vintage!

[Les Cargill[_5_]]

Trevor wrote:
On 23/07/2020 11:20 am, Les Cargill wrote:
geoff wrote:
On 22/07/2020 1:43 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
geoffÂ* wrote:
Why should that be any more difficult for daisy-chaining than XLR
female/male or jack ins/outs on a speaker, which are usually 'panel'
anyway ?

You can't daisy-chain XLRs, 1/4 phone, Socapex, or Canon P
connectors either,
all of which are popular for speakers.

But you can daisy-chain banana plugs and spade terminals.

I though the qualification 'panel' implied parallel connectors
mounted on a panel (or chassis, or whatever), in which case a doddle
for any connector.

It did.
For some reason, every MI grade PA or bass guitar box ever made had
two 1/4" jacks to enable daisy-chaining. I can think of no examples
with Speakon, probably because of panel real estate.


You are kidding right?

No, not at all.

All my PA speaker boxes have Speakon in and out.

That's good.

Most have for a couple of decades. Last century it wasn't so common I
guess.

Something like that. This was prior to 2012 or so. Stuff I've seen
since was powered.

We're not talking about nice PA here - bar band stuff. But it was
annoying for a while. A lot of these were size-constrained ( and cost
constrained ) so thah would be my guess why they left 'em off.

I did have to convert a very old speaker that had XLR's and phone
sockets only. But that was 80's vintage!


I've never seen XLR for speakers.



--
Les Cargill

[Phil Allison[_4_]]

Les Cargill Lunatic Troll wrote:
=================================


You are kidding right?

No, not at all.

All my PA speaker boxes have Speakon in and out.

That's good.

Most have for a couple of decades. Last century it wasn't so common I
guess.

Something like that. This was prior to 2012 or so. Stuff I've seen
since was powered.

We're not talking about nice PA here - bar band stuff.


** Who is "we" - fuchead.

You are not "we" - cos we are.

The context was hif- & PA systems till you posted you asinine troll.

**** off and Die


..... Phil


But it was
annoying for a while. A lot of these were size-constrained ( and cost
constrained ) so thah would be my guess why they left 'em off.

I did have to convert a very old speaker that had XLR's and phone
sockets only. But that was 80's vintage!


I've never seen XLR for speakers.



--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill[_5_]]

Phil Allison wrote:
Les Cargill Lunatic Troll wrote:
=================================


You are kidding right?

No, not at all.

All my PA speaker boxes have Speakon in and out.

That's good.

Most have for a couple of decades. Last century it wasn't so common I
guess.

Something like that. This was prior to 2012 or so. Stuff I've seen
since was powered.

We're not talking about nice PA here - bar band stuff.


** Who is "we" - fuchead.

You are not "we" - cos we are.


I am using a language called "English". Perhaps you've hear of it?

In English a common phrase is "we're not talking about" when it really
means "I'm not talking about".

Most people grasp this.

Hope this helps.

--
Les Cargill

[Phil Allison[_4_]]

Les Cargill Lunatic ****wit Troll wrote:


==================================
Phil Allison wrote:
Les Cargill Lunatic Troll wrote:
=================================


You are kidding right?

No, not at all.

All my PA speaker boxes have Speakon in and out.

That's good.

Most have for a couple of decades. Last century it wasn't so common I
guess.

Something like that. This was prior to 2012 or so. Stuff I've seen
since was powered.

We're not talking about nice PA here - bar band stuff.


** Who is "we" - fuchead.

You are not "we" - cos we are.


I am using a language called "English".


** ROTFL


In English a common phrase is "we're not talking about" when it really
means "I'm not talking about".


** Using "we" to refer to oneself is know as the "Royal Plural".

Only used by kings, queens and a few pompous idiots.


Most people grasp this.

** No they don't.

It's complete bull****.


..... Phil

[Richard Kuschel]

I have seen xlr for speakers. Vox used 3 pin xlr for speakers with pins 1 and 2 wired.Ampeg used a 4 pin xlr on the SVT and other amplifiers. Speaker signal was pins 1&4 pins 2&3 were shorted in the cabinet jack and the B+ was routed through the cable to the speaker jack. This prevented the amp from destroying the output transformer from burning up without speaker termination. When the plug was inserted into the speaker jack, the B+ was fed back to the amp.

[Ralph Barone[_3_]]

Richard Kuschel wrote:
I have seen xlr for speakers. Vox used 3 pin xlr for speakers with pins 1
and 2 wired.Ampeg used a 4 pin xlr on the SVT and other amplifiers.
Speaker signal was pins 1&4 pins 2&3 were shorted in the cabinet jack and
the B+ was routed through the cable to the speaker jack. This prevented
the amp from destroying the output transformer from burning up without
speaker termination. When the plug was inserted into the speaker jack,
the B+ was fed back to the amp.


I can see what they were trying to do, but I cant imagine a more dangerous
way to achieve that than sending B+ through a speaker cable.

[Dieter Michel]

Les,

For some reason, every MI grade PA or bass guitar box ever made had two 1/4" jacks to enable daisy-chaining. I can think of no examples with
Speakon, probably because of panel real estate.
I recently bought a bass instrument loudspeaker from
Barefaced Audio with two Speakons wired in parallel.

Best,

Dieter

[Trevor]

On 22/07/2020 12:26 pm, geoff wrote:
On 22/07/2020 1:43 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
geoffÂ* wrote:
Why should that be any more difficult for daisy-chaining than XLR
female/male or jack ins/outs on a speaker, which are usually 'panel'
anyway ?

You can't daisy-chain XLRs, 1/4 phone, Socapex, or Canon P connectors
either,
all of which are popular for speakers.

But you can daisy-chain banana plugs and spade terminals.

I though the qualification 'panel' implied parallel connectors mounted
on a panel (or chassis, or whatever), in which case a doddle for any
connector.

Just don't hang too much cable-weight on those piggy-backed bananas !


Yes, much prefer Speakon in and out on every speaker. Banana plugs
barely adequate for heavy speaker cable when NOT piggy backed!