[John Williamson]

On 18/07/2020 12:48, geoff wrote:

I don't actually have any NS10s, but I do have a pair of NS20s. But they
are not remotely the same thing.

The reason I used to hear for having a pair of NS-10s to hand was that
you make the best mix you can on your normal full range monitors, check
it on cheap headphones and a car system, and then listen on the NS-10s
while looking at it and watching how the cone distorts physically on the
bass notes.

If it still sounds good and the bass driver cone doesn't distort too
badly on the NS-10, then the mix is okay for any sensible listening system.

They were the archetypal cheap and nasty speaker.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[Scott Dorsey]

John Williamson wrote:
If it still sounds good and the bass driver cone doesn't distort too
badly on the NS-10, then the mix is okay for any sensible listening system.

They were the archetypal cheap and nasty speaker.

But they were (and still are) a consistent and reliable cheap and nasty
speaker. They are the same in every studio. That was a big deal back in
the days of big soffit-mounted systems that sounded different in every
control room, and even though it's not as big a deal today it's still a
thing people like.

I'm not sure it's as good a mix check as it used to be... people are more
often listening on desktop 2.1 systems that are awful in different ways
than the NS-10 is awful.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[John Williamson]

On 18/07/2020 16:35, Scott Dorsey wrote:
John Williamson wrote:
If it still sounds good and the bass driver cone doesn't distort too
badly on the NS-10, then the mix is okay for any sensible listening system.

They were the archetypal cheap and nasty speaker.

But they were (and still are) a consistent and reliable cheap and nasty
speaker. They are the same in every studio. That was a big deal back in
the days of big soffit-mounted systems that sounded different in every
control room, and even though it's not as big a deal today it's still a
thing people like.

I'm not sure it's as good a mix check as it used to be... people are more
often listening on desktop 2.1 systems that are awful in different ways
than the NS-10 is awful.

Agreed.

I have one such nearby....

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

[Les Cargill[_5_]]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
John Williamson wrote:
If it still sounds good and the bass driver cone doesn't distort too
badly on the NS-10, then the mix is okay for any sensible listening system.

They were the archetypal cheap and nasty speaker.

But they were (and still are) a consistent and reliable cheap and nasty
speaker. They are the same in every studio. That was a big deal back in
the days of big soffit-mounted systems that sounded different in every
control room, and even though it's not as big a deal today it's still a
thing people like.

I'm not sure it's as good a mix check as it used to be... people are more
often listening on desktop 2.1 systems that are awful in different ways
than the NS-10 is awful.
--scott


At the same time, there are not-awful 2.1 systems for very cheap. They
obviously vary greatly.

--
Les Cargill

[Trevor]

On 19/07/2020 1:25 am, John Williamson wrote:

If it still sounds good and the bass driver cone doesn't distort too
badly on the NS-10, then the mix is okay for any sensible listening system.

They were the archetypal cheap and nasty speaker.

Pretty nasty perhaps, but not really all that cheap considering.

[Scott Dorsey]

In article , Trevor wrote:
On 19/07/2020 1:25 am, John Williamson wrote:

If it still sounds good and the bass driver cone doesn't distort too
badly on the NS-10, then the mix is okay for any sensible listening system.

They were the archetypal cheap and nasty speaker.

Pretty nasty perhaps, but not really all that cheap considering.

We got ours free from the Yamaha rep.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Trevor]

On 21/07/2020 8:36 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article , Trevor wrote:
On 19/07/2020 1:25 am, John Williamson wrote:

If it still sounds good and the bass driver cone doesn't distort too
badly on the NS-10, then the mix is okay for any sensible listening system.

They were the archetypal cheap and nasty speaker.

Pretty nasty perhaps, but not really all that cheap considering.

We got ours free from the Yamaha rep.

Yeah, but some people actually paid for them. :-)

[Scott Dorsey]

In article , Trevor wrote:
On 21/07/2020 8:36 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article , Trevor wrote:
On 19/07/2020 1:25 am, John Williamson wrote:

If it still sounds good and the bass driver cone doesn't distort too
badly on the NS-10, then the mix is okay for any sensible listening system.

They were the archetypal cheap and nasty speaker.

Pretty nasty perhaps, but not really all that cheap considering.

We got ours free from the Yamaha rep.

Yeah, but some people actually paid for them. :-)

That totally floored me at the time, and I guess it still kind of does.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[geoff]

On 24/07/2020 1:50 am, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article , Trevor wrote:
On 21/07/2020 8:36 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article , Trevor wrote:
On 19/07/2020 1:25 am, John Williamson wrote:

If it still sounds good and the bass driver cone doesn't distort too
badly on the NS-10, then the mix is okay for any sensible listening system.

They were the archetypal cheap and nasty speaker.

Pretty nasty perhaps, but not really all that cheap considering.

We got ours free from the Yamaha rep.

Yeah, but some people actually paid for them. :-)

That totally floored me at the time, and I guess it still kind of does.
--scott



And they (and others) still leech off the concept by repeating or
emulating the cunning plan of the distinctive white bass drivers, made
highly visible in photos from many studio control rooms - most of those
buying them thinking that they were there because they sounded so GOOD !

geoff

[Scott Dorsey]

geoff wrote:

And they (and others) still leech off the concept by repeating or
emulating the cunning plan of the distinctive white bass drivers, made
highly visible in photos from many studio control rooms - most of those
buying them thinking that they were there because they sounded so GOOD !

Compared with some of the soffit-mounted monitoring systems of the day they
might have seemed like a step up too. I learned to mix on Altec 604s that
made the NS-10 top end seem tame and controlled.

My god, how much better things are now.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Les Cargill[_5_]]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article , Trevor wrote:
On 21/07/2020 8:36 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article , Trevor wrote:
On 19/07/2020 1:25 am, John Williamson wrote:

If it still sounds good and the bass driver cone doesn't distort too
badly on the NS-10, then the mix is okay for any sensible listening system.

They were the archetypal cheap and nasty speaker.

Pretty nasty perhaps, but not really all that cheap considering.

We got ours free from the Yamaha rep.

Yeah, but some people actually paid for them. :-)

That totally floored me at the time, and I guess it still kind of does.
--scott




There's a pair on Reverb.com with an asking price of $1000.

--
Les Cargill

[Trevor]

On 25/07/2020 12:20 pm, Les Cargill wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article , TrevorÂ*
wrote:
On 21/07/2020 8:36 pm, Scott Dorsey wrote:
In article , TrevorÂ*
wrote:
On 19/07/2020 1:25 am, John Williamson wrote:

If it still sounds good and the bass driver cone doesn't distort too
badly on the NS-10, then the mix is okay for any sensible
listening system.

They were the archetypal cheap and nasty speaker.

Pretty nasty perhaps, but not really all that cheap considering.

We got ours free from the Yamaha rep.

Yeah, but some people actually paid for them. :-)

That totally floored me at the time, and I guess it still kind of does.
--scott



There's a pair on Reverb.com with an asking price of $1000.

HAHAHAHA. Funny thing is somebody will probably pay it. :-)

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Trevor wrote:
Pretty nasty perhaps, but not really all that cheap considering.
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Considering their construction - I have bruised my knuckles rapping on few speaker
cabinets as rock-solid as that of a NS-10 or any of its letter derivatives!

Those Yammies were brutally honest. All of their sound came from their transducers, and
none from anywhere else on that speaker. Most people, esp. consumers, are used to
speakers where from twenty to as much as seventy-percent of what they hear comes from
the CABINET and mounting points of a speaker. Those resonances can permanently affect
their perception of and experience of music they listen to on them.

Then they listen to a reference monitor and vomit...