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Hello Group, its been a while,
I bought a pair of Bose in ear headphones with a trrs 3.5mm Mini jack designed to use with Apple products, they sound amazing ! I would love to use them for recording headphones, I use a Focusrite 2i2 interface which has a standard 1/4 inch headphone socket, I tried using a regular 3.5mm to 1/4 stereo adapter but it didnt work correctly, I also tried a 3.5mm to mono 1/4 inch but that didnt work either, I cant find a trrs adapter, is there such a thing ? Thanks -rob

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 3/31/2018 7:22 PM, wrote:
Hello Group, its been a while,
I bought a pair of Bose in ear headphones with a trrs 3.5mm Mini jack designed to use with Apple products, they sound amazing ! I would love to use them for recording headphones, I use a Focusrite 2i2 interface which has a standard 1/4 inch headphone socket, I tried using a regular 3.5mm to 1/4 stereo adapter but it didnt work correctly, I also tried a 3.5mm to mono 1/4 inch but that didnt work either, I cant find a trrs adapter, is there such a thing ? Thanks -rob


Here's my favorite, and so far, accurate reference to those pesky audio
connectors:

https://www.cablechick.com.au/blog/u...d-audio-jacks/

Tip and first (closest to the tip) ring for left and right phones is
standard, but the difference between Apple and everybody else is that
Apple uses the second ring for the ground and the sleeve for the
microphone signal. Go figure.

You might be able to find an Apple-to-OMTP (Open Mobile Terminal Plan)
adapter, probably Amazon is the best place to find it. You'll have to
work harder at it than I did. First couple of likely subjects that I
found ended up in dead web pages.

Or, if this headset is a new purchase, return it and exchange it for the
more standard version. I'm sure Bose makes one for everyone else. Or, as
a last resort, buy a 1/4" TRS phone plug, cut off the TRRS plug, and
replace it with the plug you really need. But then you won't have use of
the microphone (if there is one) if you want to use those earphones with
a phone.

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[Trevor]

On 1/04/2018 9:52 PM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 3/31/2018 7:22 PM, wrote:
Hello Group, its been a while,
I bought a pair of Bose in ear headphones with a trrs 3.5mm Mini jack
designed to use with Apple products, they sound amazing ! I would love
to use them for recording headphones, I use a Focusrite 2i2 interface
which has a standard 1/4 inch headphone socket, I tried using a
regular 3.5mm to 1/4 stereo adapter but it didnt work correctly, I
also tried a 3.5mm to mono 1/4 inch but that didnt work either, I
cant find a trrs adapter, is there such a thing ? Thanks -rob


Here's my favorite, and so far, accurate reference to those pesky audio
connectors:

https://www.cablechick.com.au/blog/u...d-audio-jacks/

Tip and first (closest to the tip) ring for left and right phones is
standard, but the difference between Apple and everybody else is that
Apple uses the second ring for the ground and the sleeve for the
microphone signal. Go figure.

Apple always does things different so they can sell their suckers, er
customers, their own accessories, and new accessories every time they
change their (non) "standards".



You might be able to find an Apple-to-OMTP (Open Mobile Terminal Plan)
adapter, probably Amazon is the best place to find it. You'll have to
work harder at it than I did. First couple of likely subjects that I
found ended up in dead web pages.

Or, if this headset is a new purchase, return it and exchange it for the
more standard version. I'm sure Bose makes one for everyone else. Or, as
a last resort, buy a 1/4" TRS phone plug, cut off the TRRS plug, and
replace it with the plug you really need. But then you won't have use of
the microphone (if there is one) if you want to use those earphones with
a phone.

Or buy a TRRS cable socket, and a standard TRS phone plug, and make your
own adapter.

Trevor.

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Thanks Mike and Trevor, I contacted Apple and Bose and both said they dont have such an adapter. Before I attempt to make my own (may be futile) I may order this adapter that Bose suggested, only concern I have is that it doesnt specify if its an Apple or Android TRRS, if its the standard Android it may not work with my Bose made for Apple earphones. I called Bose support with this question but the guy I got didnt know. What do you think? Thanks again -Rob
https://www.cablechick.com.au/cables...o-2x-male.html

[Scott Dorsey]

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wrote:
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ned to use with Apple products, they sound amazing ! I would love to use th=
em for recording headphones, I use a Focusrite 2i2 interface which has a st=
andard 1/4 inch headphone socket, I tried using a regular 3.5mm to 1/4 ster=
eo adapter but it didn=E2=80=99t work correctly, I also tried a 3.5mm to mo=
no 1/4 inch but that didn=E2=80=99t work either, I can=E2=80=99t find a trr=
s adapter, is there such a thing ? Thanks -rob=20

Markertek has pigtail cables with a male 3.5 TRRS connector out to various
connectors, but none with a female 3.5 TRRS.

They'd probably make you a breakout cable like that as a custom item, might
not be too expensive. You'd need to specify that you want Apple pinout though
and not either of the other two popular pinouts.

You see stuff like this online:
https://www.amazon.com/CablesOnline-.../dp/B00N03ZYUU
but with no information about which TRRS pinout it was for. So I'd stick
with a place like Markertek where you can see schematics of everything.
--scott

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[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 4/2/2018 11:20 AM, wrote:

https://www.cablechick.com.au/cables...o-2x-male.html

You don't care about the microphone (if there even is one) so as long as
the headphone split has the left and right earphone common on the
sleeve, it should work. You'll need a mini TRS to 1/4" TRS adapter, but
those are all the same.

It's worth an e-mail to cablechick.com asking about the Apple
compatibility. At least they know what that means. Send them the model
number of your earphones so they can look it up.



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[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 4/2/2018 11:20 AM, wrote:
What do you think?

Maybe I spoke too soon. On second or third look, I saw the picture with
the connector diagrams and the ground (common) connection is on the
rearmost ring, like the Apple, but then, in the description of the
adapter, they say:

"Apple hands-free and earbud headset microphones are not compatible with
PCs or gaming consoles. Plese check for console headset compatibility
before using with PCs."

Not knowing exactly what you have, it's not really clear what that means
or if it will work for you. It's possible to wire it up so that the mic
and headphones will both have their common on the sleeve of their
respective branch plugs. Maybe they did it right, maybe not. Better ask.


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[geoff]

On 1/04/2018 11:22 AM, wrote:
Hello Group, its been a while,
I bought a pair of Bose in ear headphones with a trrs 3.5mm Mini jack designed to use with Apple products, they sound amazing ! I would love to use them for recording headphones, I use a Focusrite 2i2 interface which has a standard 1/4 inch headphone socket, I tried using a regular 3.5mm to 1/4 stereo adapter but it didnt work correctly, I also tried a 3.5mm to mono 1/4 inch but that didnt work either, I cant find a trrs adapter, is there such a thing ? Thanks -rob



You will need an adaptor that bridges the sleeve and adjacent ring.
Easiest to wire your own little cable adaptor to either bridge those
two contacts, or bring the innermost ring of the Bose TRRS to the sleeve
on the 'conventional device' side, leaving the Bose sleeve floating.

But are they really that great ? At least they are headphones that you
are very familiar with....

geoff

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Thanks Geoff, I probably wont be making my own adapter but thanks for considering all that, Im on the road and even if I wasnt I would probably mess it up and get more frustrated. The Bose earphones (or is it earbuds?) are pretty great for earphones, I like the idea of having earphones for remote recording (easier to pack away) but this adapter issue is becoming ridiculous so I may just go back to old school over ear Sony cans.

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"..just go back to old school over ear Sony cans."

over-the-ear wired cans will never be
considered "old school" - as long as
I am still drawing breath.

Wireless BT buds have their place,
in the ranks of teenagers and
commuters.

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On Wednesday, April 4, 2018 at 1:37:30 AM UTC-4, wrote:
"..just go back to old school over ear Sony cans."

over-the-ear wired cans will never be
considered "old school" - as long as
I am still drawing breath.

Wireless BT buds have their place,
in the ranks of teenagers and
commuters.

yeah I will second that...
one of the things i learned reading this group and found it to be very true...

High isolation headphones are important for field recording.

otherwise you can't really tell what your mics are hearing vs what is leaking in past your headphones.

mark

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Yeah you right ! I just get frustrated with cans because sometimes its uncomfortable to wear glasses or a hat, also they are bulky, I wish they had wireless ear buds that could be used as studio headphones that dont have a delay, the cable inevitably gets in the way. But Im still waiting for flying cars ....

[geoff]

On 5/04/2018 1:57 AM, wrote:
Yeah you right ! I just get frustrated with cans because sometimes its uncomfortable to wear glasses or a hat, also they are bulky, I wish they had wireless ear buds that could be used as studio headphones that dont have a delay, the cable inevitably gets in the way. But Im still waiting for flying cars ....


Glasses can certainly be a pain with too-tight headphones, but you need
a hat in the studio ?

geoff

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 4/4/2018 6:14 PM, geoff wrote:
Glasses can certainly be a pain with too-tight headphones, but you need
a hat in the studio ?

No, but working outdoors on a sunny day, a wide brim hat is welcome. I
have one that was specially designed to wear along with headphones, with
openings in the brim for the headphones' head band. You can't pull the
headphones off quickly without taking off the hat, but it does the job
nicely when you need it. There's even a "Lawrence of Arabia" flap in the
back to keep the sun off your neck. Like all good things, it seems to
have been discontinued by the manufacturer, Koala Windsocks (they make
microphone wind screens, too)

http://www.dcaudiovisuel.com/news_in.../en/news_id/66

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[Scott Dorsey]

In article , Mike Rivers wrote:
On 4/4/2018 6:14 PM, geoff wrote:
Glasses can certainly be a pain with too-tight headphones, but you need
a hat in the studio ?

No, but working outdoors on a sunny day, a wide brim hat is welcome. I
have one that was specially designed to wear along with headphones, with
openings in the brim for the headphones' head band. You can't pull the
headphones off quickly without taking off the hat, but it does the job
nicely when you need it. There's even a "Lawrence of Arabia" flap in the
back to keep the sun off your neck. Like all good things, it seems to
have been discontinued by the manufacturer, Koala Windsocks (they make
microphone wind screens, too)

My problem is that the wide brim changes my perception of imaging a lot.
Even a baseball cap is a little bit audible, but something like a Stetson
or a Gilligan hat really screws me up.

Not a problem with headphones but it's a fast problem as soon as I take it
off.
--scott

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[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 4/5/2018 10:03 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
My problem is that the wide brim changes my perception of imaging a lot.
Even a baseball cap is a little bit audible, but something like a Stetson
or a Gilligan hat really screws me up.

Oh, for sure. I used to wear a straw hat when I'd mix at outdoor stages
- and then one afternoon it got cloudy and I took it off and noticed a
change in frequency response. Then I started mixing outdoor stages that
were in tents or had a tent over the console area, and that was just as
bad, different, but for the same reason - close-in reflections.

When working in the field and you really need to hear what you're doing,
nothing beats decent speakers in a room that doesn't have tragic
acoustical flaws.



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[geoff]

On 5/04/2018 10:35 AM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 4/4/2018 6:14 PM, geoff wrote:
Glasses can certainly be a pain with too-tight headphones, but you
need a hat in the studio ?

No, but working outdoors on a sunny day, a wide brim hat is welcome.

Outside sure. But "in the studio" ?

Actually I was referring to the current trend of artists to wear hats
pretty much all the time, inside or out, as a twee affectation or
fashion rather than for a practical purpose.

geoff

[geoff]

On 6/04/2018 2:41 AM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 4/5/2018 10:03 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
My problem is that the wide brim changes my perception of imaging a lot.
Even a baseball cap is a little bit audible, but something like a Stetson
or a Gilligan hat really screws me up.

Oh, for sure. I used to wear a straw hat when I'd mix at outdoor stages
- and then one afternoon it got cloudy and I took it off and noticed a
change in frequency response.

Dunno about there and then, but here and now one can get nearly as
sun-burnt outdoors with heavy cloud-cover as without. But here in NZ we
do generally have a higher UV index that many places that are not
surrounded closely by ocean and have more airborne dust and pollution...

And back on-topic, plenty of excellent quality purpose-designed
isolating earphones now available (Shure, Audio Technica, etc). But
there is always a benefit of being able to consistently use the device
which which one is most familiar and comfortable with.

geoff

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 4/5/2018 4:09 PM, geoff wrote:
Actually I wasÂ* referring to the current trend of artists to wear hats
pretty much all the time, inside or out, as a twee affectation or
fashion rather than for a practical purpose.

A baseball cap backwards isn't too bad (assuming you're facing the sound
source) because there isn't much of a reflection from the bill into your
ears when it's back behind you.

Isn't that they way they all wear their hats?

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Captain Beefheart once said, and Im paraphrasing:
Guitar players should always wear a hat because a guitar players brain is like a pressure cooker, you need to keep a lid on it ?

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Captain Beefheart once said, and Im paraphrasing:
Guitar players should always wear a hat because a guitar players brain is like a pressure cooker, you need to keep a lid on it !

[Tatonik]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

In article , Mike Rivers
wrote:
On 4/4/2018 6:14 PM, geoff wrote:
Glasses can certainly be a pain with
too-tight headphones, but you need
a hat in the studio ?

No, but working outdoors on a sunny day, a wide brim hat is welcome.
I have one that was specially designed to wear along with headphones,
with openings in the brim for the headphones' head band. You can't
pull the headphones off quickly without taking off the hat, but it
does the job nicely when you need it. There's even a "Lawrence of
Arabia" flap in the back to keep the sun off your neck. Like all good
things, it seems to have been discontinued by the manufacturer, Koala
Windsocks (they make microphone wind screens, too)

My problem is that the wide brim changes my perception of imaging a lot.
Even a baseball cap is a little bit audible, but something like a Stetson
or a Gilligan hat really screws me up.

Not a problem with headphones but it's a fast problem as soon as I take it
off.
--scott

Until recently this Mix with the Masters advertisement was running on
gearslutz.com:

https://i.imgur.com/ET5NYXv.jpg

It features a photo of Chris Lord-Alge apparently mixing in the studio
while wearing a baseball cap. Maybe the tutorial is worth it, but the
image gives one pause.

[Tatonik]

Tatonik wrote:

Scott Dorsey wrote:

In article , Mike Rivers
wrote:
On 4/4/2018 6:14 PM, geoff wrote:
Glasses can certainly be a pain with
too-tight headphones, but you need
a hat in the studio ?

No, but working outdoors on a sunny day, a wide brim hat is welcome.
I have one that was specially designed to wear along with headphones,
with openings in the brim for the headphones' head band. You can't
pull the headphones off quickly without taking off the hat, but it
does the job nicely when you need it. There's even a "Lawrence of
Arabia" flap in the back to keep the sun off your neck. Like all good
things, it seems to have been discontinued by the manufacturer, Koala
Windsocks (they make microphone wind screens, too)

My problem is that the wide brim changes my perception of imaging a lot.
Even a baseball cap is a little bit audible, but something like a Stetson
or a Gilligan hat really screws me up.

Not a problem with headphones but it's a fast problem as soon as I take it
off.
--scott

Until recently this Mix with the Masters advertisement was running on
gearslutz.com:

https://i.imgur.com/ET5NYXv.jpg

It features a photo of Chris Lord-Alge apparently mixing in the studio
while wearing a baseball cap. Maybe the tutorial is worth it, but the
image gives one pause.

Out of curiosity I checked out the Mix with the Masters website.
Another of the featured tutorials is with David Wrench. His ears are
completely covered by a mane of hair:

https://i.imgur.com/VvYYyQc.jpg

I'd guess this doesn't create problems on the order of a hat with a
brim. Still, why not gather it up into a pony tail and remove all
doubt?

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 5/18/2018 3:11 PM, Tatonik wrote:
Another of the featured tutorials is with David Wrench. His ears are
completely covered by a mane of hair:

I'd guess this doesn't create problems on the order of a hat with a
brim. Still, why not gather it up into a pony tail and remove all
doubt?

Image. He looks good in the photo.


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a passing knowledge of computing, although it seems that it can be
operated without a passing knowledge of audio" - John Watkinson

Drop by http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com now and then

[geoff]

On 20/05/2018 3:41 AM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 5/18/2018 3:11 PM, Tatonik wrote:
Another of the featured tutorials is with David Wrench.Â* His ears are
completely covered by a mane of hair:

I'd guess this doesn't create problems on the order of a hat with a
brim.Â* Still, why not gather it up into a pony tail and remove all
doubt?

Image. He looks good in the photo.




If 'though hair' is the way he normally hears things, then it would
stuff things up to alter that just for his mixing exploits. that is if
there is any noticable effect at all....

geoff

[david gourley[_2_]]

geoff said...news:QMydnWYdp_17W53GnZ2dnUU7-
:

On 20/05/2018 3:41 AM, Mike Rivers wrote:
On 5/18/2018 3:11 PM, Tatonik wrote:
Another of the featured tutorials is with David Wrench.Â* His ears are
completely covered by a mane of hair:

I'd guess this doesn't create problems on the order of a hat with a
brim.Â* Still, why not gather it up into a pony tail and remove all
doubt?

Image. He looks good in the photo.




If 'though hair' is the way he normally hears things, then it would
stuff things up to alter that just for his mixing exploits. that is if
there is any noticable effect at all....

geoff


Maybe he ran out of tissue for his NS-10s?

david

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