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On May 25, 11:03*am, ScottW wrote:
On May 24, 11:47*pm, Jenn wrote:





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On May 24, 9:02 am, Jenn wrote:
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ScottW wrote:
On May 23, 7:20 pm, Jenn wrote:
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"BretLudwig" wrote:
Higher education as a pyramid scheme.

"From The Atlantic, an anonymous article by a Professor X,
who
teaches
English 101 at a couple of unselective colleges to people who
can't
learn
to form coherent paragraphs:

In the Basement of the Ivory Tower

I agree with some of this. Not everyone needs higher education.
But
everyone deserves a shot at it if they have strong desire. Keep
the
standards high,

I don't know why the standards of admission are so high that very
qualified US students can't find a seat in our universities while
we bring in 1000s of foreign students every year.

Huh? Where's the evidence of that?

Commissions paid for foreign students.

http://www-tech.mit.edu/V128/N26/college.html

*Do you know that USC is 20% foreign students?

http://www.iie.org/Content/Navigatio...eleases/New_En
rol
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nt_of_Foreign_Students_in_the_U_S__Climbs_in_2005_ 06.htm

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14034413

Yes, I'm aware of this, but it doesn't address your statement that
qualified U.S. students can't find a seat in our universities.

*Look at the huge gap between guaranteed admission and qualified
UC admission standards.
Why aren't all the qualified guaranteed admission?

For example

UC Santa Cruz denied over 7,000 qualified freshman applicants.

http://admissions.ucsc.edu/apply/froshNotAdmitted.cfm

"Were UC-eligible students denied admission?
Since we are a selective campus, the majority of our denied freshmen were
UC-eligible. "

ScottW

Eligible, but are they the most qualified?

I really don't give a **** about that when it comes to foreign
students. *Admit all the US qualified and give whats left over
to the foreigners.

Also, the foreign students pay a tuition rate that fully pays for their
education; IIRC about $25,000 for out of state, vs. about $7000 for in
state.

*That is highly debatable.
*They pay for the current cost of the current
seat. *They don't pay a rate that pays for the capacity increase to provide
a seat for the US student they displaced.

Foreign students don't take enough seats that they impact facilities, if
that's what you mean.

*That's ridiculous. *When schools are operating at full capacity,
every seat taken displaces a qualified US student.

False assumption.

Additional capacity doesn't require a desk, it requires whole
buildings.

So because some poor US student cannot get in at a specific college,
that college should build more buildings. But because there are non-US
students there, they cannot afford to. Is that about it?

*The $25000 or so pays for their whole ticket, as
opposed to the $7000 for in-state students. *We can't afford more
students paying $7000 for education that costs $25000 with the current
budget.

* Education, like most government bureauocracies are full of waste.

I've even seen college professors with cell phones.