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![]() "Arny Krueger" "Bob Cain" That's because this time shift, more specifically the time rate of change of this time shift, is the cause of Doppler. Doesn't exist, Arny. Look he http://www.silcom.com/~aludwig/Physi..._of_sound.html Tellingly, as deep as the discussion goes, no mention is made of "Doppler distortion" and if you read it you will see why such nonsense wouldn't even have been considered. It also directly supports what I have said recently that distance from an oscilating piston, for the purposes of the physics of piston interaction with air is the distance to the rest position. I must say, that I found this link just minutes ago, oddly enough looking for links to IR's for Acoutic Modeler. I fingered it out earlier all by m'self. Now about that data you posted... Sorry Bob, but I'm not buying. ** I have a book on geography that no-where mentions that the earth is not flat. Will you take that as proof ??? .......... Phil |