Panzzi wrote:

Pooh Bear wrote in
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I also rather suspect Panzzi is going to be on the butt end of load of
kicking when the $7k of gear he bought sounds crap in his echo chamber
regardless of the number of busses !

What is that to do with the "bus" question? I have question, so I post here
to seek for answer/suggestion, if you can't give one or unwilling to give
one, then don't waste your time here.

Actually - it's entirely to the point.

13 busses, regardless of cost, aren't going to save your sound. That is *very*
on-topic.

You came here asking for advice and got it.

*Every* single poster said that you needed to address the acoustic issues of
your venue as a priority.

You didn't like it and tried a.a.p.l-s. As warned in advance, you got totally
flamed. Live sound engineers have seen it all before. I can *personally* tell
you how bad a venue like yours will sound ! It's agonisingly bad. The only time
*ever* the band contracting me refused to pay - despite the obvious problems.
Now consider how you're going to look when you're on the end of that kind of
result !

Actually, of all the respondents, I am possibly the only one who thinks that
your $7k might just be stretchable to provide something 'workable'. I've had to
do low budget installs myself in the past - very careful selection of gear plus
cost-trimming in less critical areas can work - as long as you're aware of the
compromises.

Even so - no amount of gear will change the sound of your hall.

Until you actually admit that - you're essentially wasting your ( and our )
time.

This is for *YOUR* benefit not mine - you are getting for free the combined
experience of industry experts totaling probably millenia in the industry. We
want to help - but if you *DON'T WANT TO BE HELPED* you'll get very short
shrift.


The easiest way to solve a problem is you have unlimited resource.

Even an unlimited resource won't make the acoustics of your building great if
it's built the way you said.


Unfortunately, 9999 out of 10000 times that is not the case. So the best
way is to utilize the resource to get the best outcome. I can assume you
that even I can have a $700,000 budget, somebody can still walk in and
comment: "it sounds crap!"

Some do that - they're called c***s. Some are Christian too. Maybe most ?


Sadly the *holy* are unstoppable in their belief. Maybe he reckons God
[1] will make it sound better ?

Graham

[1] insert choice of God of your preference.

Mr. Graham, that is kind of an insult to a Christian (if not all),

Yup - it would be an insult to a Moslem too. I'm fair like that.

That's *kinda my point* !!!! You won't accept Allah is God and they won't
accept yours - and so on etc all over the rest of the world's religions.

You expect any sane person to think *any* of them are right ?

Seriously ?

I am
sorry that you don't believe in Christ,

Actually, I believe that Jesus lived and preached nice things and set some
great examples for us to follow. I don't happen to believe he's the 'Son of
God' however. A damn fine bloke to be very much admired - a saint in the
generic meaning of the word sure.


but that didn't mean that you can
insult Christian.

Well, actually, I can do what I like. It's called self-determination.


And you are right, our belief and our faith drive us,
everything, and yes, God CAN make it sound great if he wants to.

In *your* eyes.


Somebody in this forum once called you a hatred of Christian, I didn't
believe it back then, but now...

I'm not a Christian hater but I really worry about so-called 'Christians'
sometimes. Don't worry, not exclusively Christians. Moslems worry me more and
Catholics are well..... just Catholics I guess. Not sure how their bishops are
capable of freely brushing child abuse under the carpet - nor how the African
ones are able to claim that condoms aren't effective in helping stop the spread
of Aids - but I digress.


Regds, Graham



p.s. also posted to aapl-s since this is really a live post. I reckon they'll
get the drift.