[JackA]

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 12:34:30 PM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote:
"JackA" wrote in message
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On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 6:31:30 AM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote:
Maybe why I chose to play drums rather than guitar and piano!!

3.15 kHz? I'm out of tune!!

But when you get the mix just right, you begin to hear studio noise
that
wasn't there before!!...

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abps.../longtrain.mp3




Dunno about the right mix there, where's the drums and bass?
And you still have that 3.15kHz, and the rest of the top end, shoved
down my
throat.

Stop it, I did boost 3kHz some, but nothing to speak of. However, I did
boost the bass many times, maybe upto 15 DB!! These MAY be remixed, but
not a great job. Even some songs have too low lead vocals.

That's why John Williamson mentioned record companies would never play
audio quality games, while I claim they do.


I'd much rather dance to this, puts a much greater smile on my face,
and my
ears.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cViggFZFlxU

OMG, that's the Disco type remix on this very CD!! Would have done much
better to rechart during the Disco era!! I thought, great, a "remix"
version, 10 seconds longer than normal. Sadly, the word "remix" has
nothing to do with remixing multi-tracks, it's merging new and old
sounds!! You just like playing with my mind. The Lord will get you!!!

Jack



Blimey Jack, my Mum still uses the word "Disco".

- She is a smart woman! Her son needs to pay more attention to her!

I bought this remix CD for the Sure is Pure remixes when it was released
back in 1993.
Which makes it a Dance Music museum piece, not a Disco record mixing old
and new sounds.

Back then you would record a real TR909 if you were remixing a track.

-- Sorry, I do not know what a TR909 is, but I learned (or Learnt, as you
third-world countries communicate) it's a Roland keyboard!
-- Now I can sound like a PRO here!






The TR909 is a drum machine that appeared on most Dance tunes in the early
90's onwards. Prior to that the TR808 was the goto drum machine.
I never really liked the 808, especially those silly cowbells that didn't
sound anything like one.
(Whitney Houston used them on "Somebody to love")

The 909 though was the key that opened up Dance Music to a whole new
generation.
Something about the Kick and Hi Hats was just perfect.
And you could give the Kick a long tail, which was basically a fixed
frequency sinewave at below 80Hz or so, which you could tune to match the
songs key to get some amazingly tuneful Sub on a big system.

You are correct, I was in error!!!

I like calling them High-Hats, because, originally, they were Low, not intended to be struck by the sticks.

Me, I prefer a human drummer.

For the large concerts, they used Maxi TR909...
http://www.engadget.com/2014/08/15/g...-drum-machine/

Jack



Gareth.

[Gareth Magennis]

"JackA" wrote in message
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On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 12:34:30 PM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote:
"JackA" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 6:31:30 AM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote:
Maybe why I chose to play drums rather than guitar and piano!!

3.15 kHz? I'm out of tune!!

But when you get the mix just right, you begin to hear studio noise
that
wasn't there before!!...

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abps.../longtrain.mp3




Dunno about the right mix there, where's the drums and bass?
And you still have that 3.15kHz, and the rest of the top end, shoved
down my
throat.

Stop it, I did boost 3kHz some, but nothing to speak of. However, I
did
boost the bass many times, maybe upto 15 DB!! These MAY be remixed,
but
not a great job. Even some songs have too low lead vocals.

That's why John Williamson mentioned record companies would never play
audio quality games, while I claim they do.


I'd much rather dance to this, puts a much greater smile on my face,
and my
ears.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cViggFZFlxU

OMG, that's the Disco type remix on this very CD!! Would have done
much
better to rechart during the Disco era!! I thought, great, a "remix"
version, 10 seconds longer than normal. Sadly, the word "remix" has
nothing to do with remixing multi-tracks, it's merging new and old
sounds!! You just like playing with my mind. The Lord will get you!!!

Jack



Blimey Jack, my Mum still uses the word "Disco".

- She is a smart woman! Her son needs to pay more attention to her!

I bought this remix CD for the Sure is Pure remixes when it was released
back in 1993.
Which makes it a Dance Music museum piece, not a Disco record mixing old
and new sounds.

Back then you would record a real TR909 if you were remixing a track.

-- Sorry, I do not know what a TR909 is, but I learned (or Learnt, as you
third-world countries communicate) it's a Roland keyboard!
-- Now I can sound like a PRO here!






The TR909 is a drum machine that appeared on most Dance tunes in the early
90's onwards. Prior to that the TR808 was the goto drum machine.
I never really liked the 808, especially those silly cowbells that didn't
sound anything like one.
(Whitney Houston used them on "Somebody to love")

The 909 though was the key that opened up Dance Music to a whole new
generation.
Something about the Kick and Hi Hats was just perfect.
And you could give the Kick a long tail, which was basically a fixed
frequency sinewave at below 80Hz or so, which you could tune to match the
songs key to get some amazingly tuneful Sub on a big system.

You are correct, I was in error!!!

I like calling them High-Hats, because, originally, they were Low, not
intended to be struck by the sticks.




The French call the Charlestons. No idea why.
I had a Tech Spec in French once which asked if we were supplying "Charlie".

Made me laugh.



Gareth.

[JackA]

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 1:51:17 PM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote:
"JackA" wrote in message
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On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 12:34:30 PM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote:
"JackA" wrote in message
...

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 6:31:30 AM UTC-4, gareth magennis wrote:
Maybe why I chose to play drums rather than guitar and piano!!

3.15 kHz? I'm out of tune!!

But when you get the mix just right, you begin to hear studio noise
that
wasn't there before!!...

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abps.../longtrain.mp3




Dunno about the right mix there, where's the drums and bass?
And you still have that 3.15kHz, and the rest of the top end, shoved
down my
throat.

Stop it, I did boost 3kHz some, but nothing to speak of. However, I
did
boost the bass many times, maybe upto 15 DB!! These MAY be remixed,
but
not a great job. Even some songs have too low lead vocals.

That's why John Williamson mentioned record companies would never play
audio quality games, while I claim they do.


I'd much rather dance to this, puts a much greater smile on my face,
and my
ears.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cViggFZFlxU

OMG, that's the Disco type remix on this very CD!! Would have done
much
better to rechart during the Disco era!! I thought, great, a "remix"
version, 10 seconds longer than normal. Sadly, the word "remix" has
nothing to do with remixing multi-tracks, it's merging new and old
sounds!! You just like playing with my mind. The Lord will get you!!!

Jack



Blimey Jack, my Mum still uses the word "Disco".

- She is a smart woman! Her son needs to pay more attention to her!

I bought this remix CD for the Sure is Pure remixes when it was released
back in 1993.
Which makes it a Dance Music museum piece, not a Disco record mixing old
and new sounds.

Back then you would record a real TR909 if you were remixing a track.

-- Sorry, I do not know what a TR909 is, but I learned (or Learnt, as you
third-world countries communicate) it's a Roland keyboard!
-- Now I can sound like a PRO here!






The TR909 is a drum machine that appeared on most Dance tunes in the early
90's onwards. Prior to that the TR808 was the goto drum machine.
I never really liked the 808, especially those silly cowbells that didn't
sound anything like one.
(Whitney Houston used them on "Somebody to love")

The 909 though was the key that opened up Dance Music to a whole new
generation.
Something about the Kick and Hi Hats was just perfect.
And you could give the Kick a long tail, which was basically a fixed
frequency sinewave at below 80Hz or so, which you could tune to match the
songs key to get some amazingly tuneful Sub on a big system.

You are correct, I was in error!!!

I like calling them High-Hats, because, originally, they were Low, not
intended to be struck by the sticks.




The French call the Charlestons. No idea why.
I had a Tech Spec in French once which asked if we were supplying "Charlie".

Made me laugh.

Ha!!!

I searched and found this!.... "In French a hi-hat pedal is still called Pedale Charleston".

Wonder if it has ANYTHING relating to the Charleston dance. It has Jazz roots!!

Interesting! Thanks

Jack





Gareth.

[Scott Dorsey]

polymod wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...

I had a friend with three pianos who married a woman with four pianos and
they got a harpsichord as their wedding present. They used to keep them
tuned in several different temperaments since they were both bach addicts.

I'd be very interested in knowing if the tuner did this by ear.

I asked, and they said he did one of them by ear but all the other weird
temperaments were done with tuner. And they tune the harpsichord themselves
sometimes in the middle of a piece....
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[polymod]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...

polymod wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...

I had a friend with three pianos who married a woman with four pianos and
they got a harpsichord as their wedding present. They used to keep them
tuned in several different temperaments since they were both bach addicts.

I'd be very interested in knowing if the tuner did this by ear.

I asked, and they said he did one of them by ear but all the other weird
temperaments were done with tuner. And they tune the harpsichord themselves
sometimes in the middle of a piece....
--scott


Ah....thanks for the update...much appreciated!

Pretty much what I suspected. We tuners are so trained in beat timing for
equal temperament that I can't even imagine doing the other "weird" ones by
ear.
Tuning in the middle of a piece? That' I'd like to see!

Poly

[Gray_Wolf]

On 10/1/2015 4:03 PM, polymod wrote:


"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...

polymod wrote:
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...

I had a friend with three pianos who married a woman with four pianos and
they got a harpsichord as their wedding present. They used to keep them
tuned in several different temperaments since they were both bach addicts.

I'd be very interested in knowing if the tuner did this by ear.

I asked, and they said he did one of them by ear but all the other weird
temperaments were done with tuner. And they tune the harpsichord themselves
sometimes in the middle of a piece....
--scott


Ah....thanks for the update...much appreciated!

Pretty much what I suspected. We tuners are so trained in beat timing for equal
temperament that I can't even imagine doing the other "weird" ones by ear.
Tuning in the middle of a piece? That' I'd like to see!

Poly

Poly, I wonder if the day will come where there is a standard keyboard that will
play "Just"? On the fly or what ever.

[Trevor]

On 2/10/2015 8:20 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
Poly, I wonder if the day will come where there is a standard keyboard
that will play "Just"? On the fly or what ever.

Would be trivial for an electronic keyboard to play in any tuning you
want at the touch of a button right now. I bet some already do.

Trevor.

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Trevor wrote:
On 2/10/2015 8:20 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
Poly, I wonder if the day will come where there is a standard keyboard
that will play "Just"? On the fly or what ever.

Would be trivial for an electronic keyboard to play in any tuning you
want at the touch of a button right now. I bet some already do.

Trevor.




I have not tried this, but it looks interesting.

http://www.tallkite.com/alt-tuner.html

--
Les Cargill

[geoff]

On 02/10/2015 14:54, Trevor wrote:
On 2/10/2015 8:20 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
Poly, I wonder if the day will come where there is a standard keyboard
that will play "Just"? On the fly or what ever.

Would be trivial for an electronic keyboard to play in any tuning you
want at the touch of a button right now. I bet some already do.

They do. Have done for years.

geoff

[Gareth Magennis]

"Geoff" wrote in message
...

On 02/10/2015 14:54, Trevor wrote:
On 2/10/2015 8:20 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
Poly, I wonder if the day will come where there is a standard keyboard
that will play "Just"? On the fly or what ever.

Would be trivial for an electronic keyboard to play in any tuning you
want at the touch of a button right now. I bet some already do.

They do. Have done for years.

geoff




The Yamaha DX7 from the 80's had preset and programmable micro tuning.


Gareth.

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

On 01-10-2015 22:03, polymod wrote:

Tuning in the middle of a piece? That' I'd like to see!

I was surprised to see how fast a trained harpsichord operator was able
to fix a rented harpsichord that was delivered tuned to 440 and should
have been possibly 415 or so, not a few pre-concert tweaks but a total
retune.

Generally the instruments are temperamental and change tuning with
barometric pressure, humidity, temperature and CNN headline.

Poly

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Peter Larsen[_3_]]

On 02-10-2015 03:13, Les Cargill wrote:

I have not tried this, but it looks interesting.

http://www.tallkite.com/alt-tuner.html

very, thank you!

Kind regards

Peter Larsen

[Trevor]

On 2/10/2015 5:43 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:
"Geoff" wrote in message
...
On 02/10/2015 14:54, Trevor wrote:
On 2/10/2015 8:20 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
Poly, I wonder if the day will come where there is a standard keyboard
that will play "Just"? On the fly or what ever.

Would be trivial for an electronic keyboard to play in any tuning you
want at the touch of a button right now. I bet some already do.

They do. Have done for years.

The Yamaha DX7 from the 80's had preset and programmable micro tuning.

Many have micro tuning, I didn't know the DX7 had presets for other
standard tunings however. But as I said, definitely trivial these days.

Trevor.

[geoff]

On 02/10/2015 21:51, Trevor wrote:
On 2/10/2015 5:43 PM, Gareth Magennis wrote:
"Geoff" wrote in message
...
On 02/10/2015 14:54, Trevor wrote:
On 2/10/2015 8:20 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
Poly, I wonder if the day will come where there is a standard keyboard
that will play "Just"? On the fly or what ever.

Would be trivial for an electronic keyboard to play in any tuning you
want at the touch of a button right now. I bet some already do.

They do. Have done for years.

The Yamaha DX7 from the 80's had preset and programmable micro tuning.

Many have micro tuning, I didn't know the DX7 had presets for other
standard tunings however. But as I said, definitely trivial these days.

Trevor.


Iwonder if people enthusiastic about alternative tunings also tend to
drive unusual cars, etc.

geoff (just a boring old guy who prefers to be musically and socially
'compatible'....)

[Scott Dorsey]

In article , polymod wrote:

Pretty much what I suspected. We tuners are so trained in beat timing for
equal temperament that I can't even imagine doing the other "weird" ones by
ear.

My ex who had perfect pitch found alternate temperaments very annoying.
Presumably enough time and she would have got used to them.

We also have an organ in town where A=335... it is several notes flat
and was built so the longest pipe would fit precisely in the hold of a
particular ship that transported the thing from England in 1749. It
is not possible for normal keyboard players to play.

Tuning in the middle of a piece? That' I'd like to see!

Guitar players stop to tune all the time! The harpsichord is just like
a guitar with more strings to get out of tune!
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[polymod]

"gray_wolf" wrote in message ...

snip
Poly, I wonder if the day will come where there is a standard keyboard that
will
play "Just"? On the fly or what ever.


Only if there's a market for it!

Poly

[polymod]

"Peter Larsen" wrote in message
k...

On 02-10-2015 03:13, Les Cargill wrote:

I have not tried this, but it looks interesting.

http://www.tallkite.com/alt-tuner.html

very, thank you!


Yes! Thanks!

Poly

[polymod]

"Gareth Magennis" wrote in message ...

The Yamaha DX7 from the 80's had preset and programmable micro tuning.


Micro tuning was added on the "DX7s" model. I have the original DX7 which
doesn't have this feature.

Poly

[polymod]

"Trevor" wrote in message ...

On 2/10/2015 8:20 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
Poly, I wonder if the day will come where there is a standard keyboard
that will play "Just"? On the fly or what ever.

Would be trivial for an electronic keyboard to play in any tuning you
want at the touch of a button right now. I bet some already do.


FWIW, my very old Moog Sonic 6 has a "diatonic knob can turn an octave into
a fifth....or any interval I want within a one octave range.
I messed with it back in the day, but to a piano tuner it's like nails on a
blackboard.

Poly

[polymod]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...

My ex who had perfect pitch found alternate temperaments very annoying.
Presumably enough time and she would have got used to them.

And, probably like myself with my ex, we thankfully didn't hang around long
enough to find out!

We also have an organ in town where A=335... it is several notes flat
and was built so the longest pipe would fit precisely in the hold of a
particular ship that transported the thing from England in 1749. It
is not possible for normal keyboard players to play.

Wow! that's way out. On one occasion a church custodian forgot to turn on
the heat so the pipes would warm up so I had to estimate where the pitch
would be. Thankfully the music the pianist and organist performed was very
avant-garde and probably added to the effect.

Tuning in the middle of a piece? That' I'd like to see!
Guitar players stop to tune all the time! The harpsichord is just like
a guitar with more strings to get out of tune!

Yea, like 114 if it's a single manual....214 if it's double ;-)

Poly

[Gareth Magennis]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...

In article , polymod wrote:

Pretty much what I suspected. We tuners are so trained in beat timing for
equal temperament that I can't even imagine doing the other "weird" ones by
ear.

My ex who had perfect pitch found alternate temperaments very annoying.
Presumably enough time and she would have got used to them.




I have perfect pitch, and though I don't find alternative tunings at all
troublesome, I find it almost impossible to play a transposed keyboard or a
guitar with a capo.


Gareth.

[Angus Kerr]

Funny, I have perfect pitch too. I dont mind playing with a capo, since I start thinking relative, like 1 4 5 3 6 etc when it comes to the chords.

Funny story: I got really confused when I had to play a keyboard in a gig (I'm adequate on keys, only good for the most basic of parts), and somehow, between sound check and showtime, the keyboard got left in a semitone up transposition. Seeing the keys, knowing the notes they should make, and the ones that were being generated being not what my ear said they should be, being horrendously dissonant, the askance glances from my fellow musicians wondering what the hell I was doing........, me the utterly confused part-time keyboardist trying to figure out why the parts I knew were right were not working, trying to transpose up a semitone on the fly wondering if I was going mad...surely what I rehearsed and this is not the same, why am I out? Amusing in hindsight....

-Angus.

[polymod]

"Angus Kerr" wrote in message
...

Funny, I have perfect pitch too. I dont mind playing with a capo, since I
start thinking relative, like 1 4 5 3 6 etc when it comes to the chords.

Funny story: I got really confused when I had to play a keyboard in a gig
(I'm adequate on keys, only good for the most basic of parts), and somehow,
between sound check and showtime, the keyboard got left in a semitone up
transposition. Seeing the keys, knowing the notes they should make, and the
ones that were being generated being not what my ear said they should be,
being horrendously dissonant, the askance glances from my fellow musicians
wondering what the hell I was doing........, me the utterly confused
part-time keyboardist trying to figure out why the parts I knew were right
were not working, trying to transpose up a semitone on the fly wondering if
I was going mad...surely what I rehearsed and this is not the same, why am I
out? Amusing in hindsight....


Good one!
My students used to mess with the "pitch adjust" button that was on the back
of a digital we used for lessons and see if I would notice.
For some reason folks without perfect pitch love to mess with us!
:-)

Poly

[Angus Kerr]

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 12:54:29 PM UTC+2, polymod wrote:
"Angus Kerr" wrote in message
somehow,
between sound check and showtime, the keyboard got left in a semitone up
transposition. Seeing the keys, knowing the notes they should make, and the
ones that were being generated being not what my ear said they should be,
being horrendously dissonant, the askance glances from my fellow musicians
wondering what the hell I was doing........, me the utterly confused
part-time keyboardist trying to figure out why the parts I knew were right
were not working, trying to transpose up a semitone on the fly wondering if
I was going mad...surely what I rehearsed and this is not the same, why am I
out? Amusing in hindsight....


Good one!
My students used to mess with the "pitch adjust" button that was on the back
of a digital we used for lessons and see if I would notice.
For some reason folks without perfect pitch love to mess with us!


Luckily few know about me. If you asked me to sing an A you'll get about 445Hz. Being first instrument violin, I can play at 440 tuning all right but prefer 443Hz, but I really battled recently playing with a pipe organ at about 435, it sounded so flat... I really had to concentrate on keeping my fingers from sharpening back to a more comfortable A. Orchestras like 443 and some even higher at 445. I don't know what they do about piano tuning though.

-Angus

[polymod]

"Angus Kerr" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 12:54:29 PM UTC+2, polymod wrote:
"Angus Kerr" wrote in message
somehow,
between sound check and showtime, the keyboard got left in a semitone up
transposition. Seeing the keys, knowing the notes they should make, and
the
ones that were being generated being not what my ear said they should be,
being horrendously dissonant, the askance glances from my fellow musicians
wondering what the hell I was doing........, me the utterly confused
part-time keyboardist trying to figure out why the parts I knew were right
were not working, trying to transpose up a semitone on the fly wondering
if
I was going mad...surely what I rehearsed and this is not the same, why am
I
out? Amusing in hindsight....


Good one!
My students used to mess with the "pitch adjust" button that was on the
back
of a digital we used for lessons and see if I would notice.
For some reason folks without perfect pitch love to mess with us!


Luckily few know about me. If you asked me to sing an A you'll get about
445Hz. Being first instrument violin, I can play at 440 tuning all right but
prefer 443Hz, but I really battled recently playing with a pipe organ at
about 435, it sounded so flat... I really had to concentrate on keeping my
fingers from sharpening back to a more comfortable A. Orchestras like 443
and some even higher at 445. I don't know what they do about piano tuning
though.


Love the story!
As far as piano tuning goes, each case is different. I tune for a couple of
local orchestra's and they all insist on A-440. Organs, unless they're
digital, is another thing entirely!

Poly

[Angus Kerr]

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 5:31:30 PM UTC+2, polymod wrote:
-snip-


Love the story!
As far as piano tuning goes, each case is different. I tune for a couple of
local orchestra's and they all insist on A-440. Organs, unless they're
digital, is another thing entirely!

Poly

I'm surprised at that. I would guess that the oboe player sneaks a couple of cents in when there's no piano in the programme (!) - and if there is, they tune to the piano.

I mean 440 is a sort of international standard, but a lot of Europeans find it on the flat side. I'll naturally tune higher. The organ though, was painful.

When I concert-mastered the local amateur orchestra, I'd check the oboe with a tuner - and I'd be happy with 443. In fact, if you tune to A440, as the woodwinds warm up, they get sharper - and you'd probably end up at 443. I would say I am not comfortable with anything lower than 440..

If you listen to old recordings, both pop/rock and classical, it's amazing how the tuning varies so widely - before the age of digital tuners. I still have an old tuning fork! Try playing to some old records, and you'll have to adjust the tuning of the instrument you're playing (if possible).

-Angus.

[polymod]

"Angus Kerr" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 5:31:30 PM UTC+2, polymod wrote:
-snip-


Love the story!
As far as piano tuning goes, each case is different. I tune for a couple
of
local orchestra's and they all insist on A-440. Organs, unless they're
digital, is another thing entirely!

Poly

I'm surprised at that. I would guess that the oboe player sneaks a couple of
cents in when there's no piano in the programme (!) - and if there is, they
tune to the piano.

I mean 440 is a sort of international standard, but a lot of Europeans find
it on the flat side. I'll naturally tune higher. The organ though, was
painful.

When I concert-mastered the local amateur orchestra, I'd check the oboe with
a tuner - and I'd be happy with 443. In fact, if you tune to A440, as the
woodwinds warm up, they get sharper - and you'd probably end up at 443. I
would say I am not comfortable with anything lower than 440..

If you listen to old recordings, both pop/rock and classical, it's amazing
how the tuning varies so widely - before the age of digital tuners. I still
have an old tuning fork! Try playing to some old records, and you'll have to
adjust the tuning of the instrument you're playing (if possible).


Ah...you bring up so many good points and it sounds like you have seen/heard
your share of pitch fluctuations.
This type of discussion deserves a pint or two ;-)

Poly

[Tim Sprout]

On 10/7/2015 9:51 AM, polymod wrote:


"Angus Kerr" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, October 6, 2015 at 5:31:30 PM UTC+2, polymod wrote:
-snip-


Love the story!
As far as piano tuning goes, each case is different. I tune for a
couple of
local orchestra's and they all insist on A-440. Organs, unless they're
digital, is another thing entirely!

Poly

I'm surprised at that. I would guess that the oboe player sneaks a
couple of cents in when there's no piano in the programme (!) - and if
there is, they tune to the piano.

I mean 440 is a sort of international standard, but a lot of Europeans
find it on the flat side. I'll naturally tune higher. The organ though,
was painful.

When I concert-mastered the local amateur orchestra, I'd check the oboe
with a tuner - and I'd be happy with 443. In fact, if you tune to A440,
as the woodwinds warm up, they get sharper - and you'd probably end up
at 443. I would say I am not comfortable with anything lower than 440..

If you listen to old recordings, both pop/rock and classical, it's
amazing how the tuning varies so widely - before the age of digital
tuners. I still have an old tuning fork! Try playing to some old
records, and you'll have to adjust the tuning of the instrument you're
playing (if possible).


Ah...you bring up so many good points and it sounds like you have
seen/heard your share of pitch fluctuations.
This type of discussion deserves a pint or two ;-)

Poly

I am surprised at this discussion. I would have thought that you guys
with perfect pitch would prefer Just Intonation with it's pure intervals.

Tim Sprout

[Angus Kerr]

On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 at 8:18:49 PM UTC+2, Tim Sprout wrote:
On 10/7/2015 9:51 AM, polymod wrote:
-snip-
This type of discussion deserves a pint or two ;-)

Poly
Give me a perfect pitch(er)!


I am surprised at this discussion. I would have thought that you guys
with perfect pitch would prefer Just Intonation with it's pure intervals.

Tim Sprout

Nah. I've been brainwashed by the well tempered scale.

-Angus.

[polymod]

"Angus Kerr" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, October 7, 2015 at 8:18:49 PM UTC+2, Tim Sprout wrote:
On 10/7/2015 9:51 AM, polymod wrote:
-snip-
This type of discussion deserves a pint or two ;-)

Poly
Give me a perfect pitch(er)!


I am surprised at this discussion. I would have thought that you guys
with perfect pitch would prefer Just Intonation with it's pure intervals.

Tim Sprout

Nah. I've been brainwashed by the well tempered scale.


I'm with Angus with the scale and the pitch(er)!

Poly