Vienna Symphonic Library-Complete package for sale

ragam wrote:
Last time I checked it was illegal to resell sample libraries...you can't
transfer the license to another individual. So whoever bought it from you would
not have any right to use or record any of the samples from the library.

On 12 Dec 2003 06:39:44 -0800, (zak) wrote:

Vienna Symphonic Library-Complete package for sale



Illegal? Just because it says so in their liner notes? Imagine if GM
told you you couldn't sell your GM car to anyone else.

What's illegal is selling software that you purchased to someone and
continuing to use it yourself.

Rob R.

"Rob Reedijk" wrote in message
...
ragam wrote:
Last time I checked it was illegal to resell sample libraries...you
can't
transfer the license to another individual. So whoever bought it from
you would
not have any right to use or record any of the samples from the library.

On 12 Dec 2003 06:39:44 -0800, (zak) wrote:

Vienna Symphonic Library-Complete package for sale



Illegal? Just because it says so in their liner notes? Imagine if GM
told you you couldn't sell your GM car to anyone else.

What's illegal is selling software that you purchased to someone and
continuing to use it yourself.

Rob R.

You may be right, or not. IIRC some libraries provide discs and a license
to use the music under certain conditions ( such as type of program, period
of time, by paying individual licensing fees per needle drop) but do not
convey ownership of the discs themselves. There may or may not be
restrictions on transfer of rights to a third party. I'm no lawyer, so take
it for what its worth.

Steve King

Illegal? Just because it says so in their liner notes? Imagine if GM
told you you couldn't sell your GM car to anyone else.


If you were leasing it you couldn't.

Generally with these sample libraries, you are only licensing the right to use
them. And the license isn't any more transferrable than your driver's license
is.

-R

Devils advoacte here, but is there anyway anyone could prove who
originally owned the samples? It's not a state or federal law
anywhere that I know of that you have to register any software, as
long as you paid for it, you have the right to use it.

I would say though, that to be fair, the guy who sells it should not
have the right to use it anymore. Ture, you can sell a used
automobile in the united states, but you would be considered a thief
under the law if after you sold it to some guy, you went to his house
and drove it away. Of course, as people usually think the worst, some
might suspect that the original owner would of course copy it and
continuing usuing it, myself included. But we do not know for sure
that the original poster of this thread intends on doing this.
Certainly, one would assume that if this orignal owner did keep a
copy, and did use it in a published work, he could be sued. But
again, how can we prove who originaly owned the samples?

R Krizman wrote:
Illegal? Just because it says so in their liner notes? Imagine if GM
told you you couldn't sell your GM car to anyone else.


If you were leasing it you couldn't.

Generally with these sample libraries, you are only licensing the right to use
them. And the license isn't any more transferrable than your driver's license
is.

Has anyone ever fought this in court? I'd really like to know if there is
a legal definition. If this is law, then anyone who buys a used computer,
must pay for the operating system again.

Driver's license isn't the best example since the license is just a few
bucks, it's the passing of the exam, being over 16 etc that gets you
a license. The leasing a car example is a little closer. Can you
legally sublet a leased car?

(And, as an aside, in Toronto, Taxi licenses are very sellable, and in
fact that is a major problem, since it has lead to taxi licences being
inflated in value to around $100,000 per. Not many "little guys" can
afford to own a taxi license. They are now mostly held by "fat cats"---
very evil *******s).

Still, I'd like to know, is there a law about reselling a license?
Why are people just worrying about selling off their rights to use
samples while they don't seem to worry about selling their protools
system used which includes a software license.

The whole thing is idiotic anyway. If I want to buy some samples, knowing
that I can sell my license to someone else when I want to dispose of it
makes the software far more valuable to me.

Rob R.

zak wrote:

Vienna Symphonic Library-Complete package for sale




From their terms of licence on
http://vsl.co.at/english/pages/produ...series/intro.h
tm:

Question: Is it OK to sell the used disc to someone else if I'm finished
with the project that I needed it for?

Answer: NO. Unlike your musical gear, music CDs, or even software, you
cannot give away or sell these discs to someone else. YOU DID NOT
PURCHASE THE DISC. YOU PURCHASED A LICENSE TO USE OUR SOUND RECORDINGS
IN YOUR MUSIC. This license cannot be transferred by you.

Hope this helps.


Chris


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Simple don't register it and don't worry about it when you sell it . .
..


On 16 Dec 2003 21:09:43 GMT, Rob Reedijk
wrote:

R Krizman wrote:
Illegal? Just because it says so in their liner notes? Imagine if GM
told you you couldn't sell your GM car to anyone else.


If you were leasing it you couldn't.

Generally with these sample libraries, you are only licensing the right to use
them. And the license isn't any more transferrable than your driver's license
is.

Has anyone ever fought this in court? I'd really like to know if there is
a legal definition. If this is law, then anyone who buys a used computer,
must pay for the operating system again.

Driver's license isn't the best example since the license is just a few
bucks, it's the passing of the exam, being over 16 etc that gets you
a license. The leasing a car example is a little closer. Can you
legally sublet a leased car?

(And, as an aside, in Toronto, Taxi licenses are very sellable, and in
fact that is a major problem, since it has lead to taxi licences being
inflated in value to around $100,000 per. Not many "little guys" can
afford to own a taxi license. They are now mostly held by "fat cats"---
very evil *******s).

Still, I'd like to know, is there a law about reselling a license?
Why are people just worrying about selling off their rights to use
samples while they don't seem to worry about selling their protools
system used which includes a software license.

The whole thing is idiotic anyway. If I want to buy some samples, knowing
that I can sell my license to someone else when I want to dispose of it
makes the software far more valuable to me.

Rob R.

"Ciberratt" wrote in message
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Simple don't register it and don't worry about it when you sell it . .
.

Business is generally conducted with the assumption that those who agree to
the terms of a contract are not crooks. If you sign a contract with someone
the law requires you to fulfill your end of the bargain. If you do not the
one with whom you contracted has recourse under the law. I believe what you
are saying above is that it is okay to break the law if you don't get
caught. Is that what you believe? Just asking.

Steve King

"Ciberratt" wrote in message
...
Simple don't register it and don't worry about it when you sell it . .
.



yeah but thats still illegal, no more so than using a copied version of it.

"A lock only stops an honest thief"

Geoff

with unquestioned accuracy of thought, Steve King replied:

"Ciberratt" wrote in message
...
Simple don't register it and don't worry about it when you sell it . .
.

Business is generally conducted with the assumption that those who agree to
the terms of a contract are not crooks. If you sign a contract with someone
the law requires you to fulfill your end of the bargain. If you do not the
one with whom you contracted has recourse under the law. I believe what you
are saying above is that it is okay to break the law if you don't get
caught. Is that what you believe? Just asking.

Steve King


Good lord! You are checking in to a news group for ethical advise. If you
don't know, you can't find the answer here. Might as well find a 1-900 #.
Call 411. Call a politition. Ask a cop. Ask a priest. Ask a pet. It is
only opinions. And blind opinions at that. There is absolutely no way to
tell if anyone on this list walks their talk. They may they may not. Who
cares? You have to figure these things out for yourself. You are asking
complete strangers. Ha!

Call the company. If it is important to you, find the answer by asking the
person who would know. That would be the owner of the software. Not a
bunch of folks with opinions about EVERYTHING. Including me. Patric

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:39:32 +1300, "Geoff Duncan"
wrote:


"Ciberratt" wrote in message
.. .
Simple don't register it and don't worry about it when you sell it . .
.



yeah but thats still illegal, no more so than using a copied version of it.

"A lock only stops an honest thief"

Geoff



Egads my good man. Please tell me you are not truly *THAT* uptight?
:-)

Look, it's a stupid rule/law and by ignoring it you are practicing
civil disobedience - and in good company. It was good enuff for Ghandi
.. . . and it beats burning down their office building in protest :-)

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:11:47 -0900, Patric D'Eimon
wrote:

with unquestioned accuracy of thought, Steve King replied:

"Ciberratt" wrote in message
...
Simple don't register it and don't worry about it when you sell it . .
.

Business is generally conducted with the assumption that those who agree to
the terms of a contract are not crooks. If you sign a contract with someone
the law requires you to fulfill your end of the bargain. If you do not the
one with whom you contracted has recourse under the law. I believe what you
are saying above is that it is okay to break the law if you don't get
caught. Is that what you believe? Just asking.

Steve King




Ummm . . . just cuz I buy the SW does not mean I agreee to all the
terms of the contract. They're wrong. I'm right. End of story.

Also, my attorney has always said: "it ain't illegal unless you get
caught". And, as a PI friend of mine likes to say: "You can beat the
rap but you can't beat the ride".

Just because someone got it made a law does not make it right. I'm not
willing to start a revoloution over it so I just ignore it.

Look the bottom line is that they (corporations) want to have you over
a barrel. If you buy it you should be able to sell it.

There are no more open fronteirs to go to to escape society or I would
go there. I'm stuck living in a world I don't always agree with and,
as a result, I do as I please, how I please and when I please. I dont'
go aroung killing folks I disagree with so generally I'd have to say
I'm not a bad guy.

[sprout]

The VSL Terms of License states in section 2.

d) transfer the Software to another party if the other party agrees to accept all terms and conditions of this Agreement. If you transfer the Software to another party, you must at the same time transfer all copies, whether in printed or machine-readable form, to the same party and destroy any copies not transferred.
http://www.vsl.co.at/en/65/75/443/522/340.vsl

Furthermore see http://community.vsl.co.at/forums/p/30383/194797.aspx

I have a lot of the VSL libraries but I am interested in buying more, used ( a more recent version ). Any sellers?