[Paul[_13_]]

http://www.swee****er.com/store/deta...FYk7MgodX3IAmg


Just wondering if any of you pros out there have used this one.....

[Gary Eickmeier]

Good lord, what makes a microphone this expensive??? You would have to sell
a lot of recordings to make that up. And this is for just one!

Gary Eickmeier

Paul wrote:
http://www.swee****er.com/store/deta...FYk7MgodX3IAmg


Just wondering if any of you pros out there have used this one.....

[Paul[_13_]]

On 3/9/2013 6:58 PM, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
Good lord, what makes a microphone this expensive??? You would have to sell
a lot of recordings to make that up. And this is for just one!

Gary Eickmeier

Paul wrote:
http://www.swee****er.com/store/deta...FYk7MgodX3IAmg


Just wondering if any of you pros out there have used this one.....


Yeah, it MUST be 3 times better than a U-87, right?

:/

[Scott Dorsey]

http://www.swee****er.com/store/deta...FYk7MgodX3IAmg

Just wondering if any of you pros out there have used this one.....

Yes. For a few years it was the go-to mike for rap vocals but it seems
to have fallen out of favor. Hint: it's a specialty item Sony made in
a single very small production run, using a capsule they had designed
in the sixties.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Gary Eickmeier wrote:
Good lord, what makes a microphone this expensive??? You would have to sell
a lot of recordings to make that up. And this is for just one!

Mostly the small production run. If you make a million of something, you
can make it a lot cheaper than if you make a hundred.

And, the number of C-800s you can make is limited by the number of quiet
6AU6es that you can get.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[hank alrich]

Paul wrote:

On 3/9/2013 6:58 PM, Gary Eickmeier wrote:
Good lord, what makes a microphone this expensive??? You would have to
sell a lot of recordings to make that up. And this is for just one!

Gary Eickmeier

Paul wrote:
http://www.swee****er.com/store/deta...ogle&utm_mediu
m=PPC&utm_campaign=recording&utm_term=sony_c800&a dpos=1t1&creative=928666
8481&gclid=CIDHrKHm8LUCFYk7MgodX3IAmg Just wondering if any of you
pros out there have used this one.....


Yeah, it MUST be 3 times better than a U-87, right?

:/

It might well be just that in a given situation, and there are plenty of
people who don't like U-87's, and some who know enough about the various
iterations thereof to know _which_ U-87('s) they like personally.

There is no point in hobby recordists bemoaning the cost of upper level
kit. Once upon a time the Studer A80 cost me a lot more than a Teac
might have, and it was worth every cent in terms of reliability and
performance.

--
shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/
http://hankandshaidrimusic.com/
http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

hank alrich wrote:
Paul wrote:
snip

It might well be just that in a given situation, and there are plenty of
people who don't like U-87's, and some who know enough about the various
iterations thereof to know _which_ U-87('s) they like personally.

There is no point in hobby recordists bemoaning the cost of upper level
kit.

+1 It's not gonna keep you from getting work done.

Once upon a time the Studer A80 cost me a lot more than a Teac
might have, and it was worth every cent in terms of reliability and
performance.


--
Les Cargill

[Frank Stearns]

"Gary Eickmeier" writes:

Good lord, what makes a microphone this expensive??? You would have to sell

What makes it so expensive? Simple: for whatever reason (valid or not) people are
apparently willing to pay the price. Willing seller/willing buyer. That's what it
really comes down to.


Frank
Mobile Audio



Paul wrote:
http://www.swee****er.com/store/deta...FYk7MgodX3IAmg


Just wondering if any of you pros out there have used this one.....


--

[PStamler]

Actually, microphones are one of the places where mass production doesn't necessarily bring down the price that much. You can achieve economies of scale with the electronics and general tooling, but really good capsules require high-precision manufacturing and throwing a lot of bad ones away (I've been told that Neumann rejects half of the capsules they make for U 87s).

Given that necessity, some mics are always going to be pretty expensive. If Sony made as many C-800s as Neumann makes U 87s, they'd probably sell for about the same amount. But neither will ever sell for $200.

Peace,
Paul

[Scott Dorsey]

PStamler wrote:
Actually, microphones are one of the places where mass production doesn't n=
ecessarily bring down the price that much. You can achieve economies of sca=
le with the electronics and general tooling, but really good capsules requi=
re high-precision manufacturing and throwing a lot of bad ones away (I've b=
een told that Neumann rejects half of the capsules they make for U 87s).=20

This is because the U87 capsule isn't really mass-produced at all. They are
still made one at a time.

Compare with the capsule on the AKG C3000B... some pieces are stamped, some
pieces are injection molded, one piece of machine. The diaphragm is somehow
tensioned over a ring by a machine, and all the pieces are popped together.
No human hands touch anything.

The U87 capsule design was designed in an era when microphones were small
production items and it was never intended to be made in the quantities that
Neumann is making them today.

Given that necessity, some mics are always going to be pretty expensive. If=
Sony made as many C-800s as Neumann makes U 87s, they'd probably sell for =
about the same amount. But neither will ever sell for $200.

Sure, but the Chinese can make a mike with a U87 capsule clone for $200.
They do this by simplifying the capsule and leaving off stuff that is
difficult to make.

The Chinese also don't use the same tensioning process that Neumann does,
they use an older process that Neumann stopped using in the fifties. But
they keep costs down by accepting diaphragms that Neumann would not.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Ben Bradley[_2_]]

On Sat, 9 Mar 2013 20:58:33 -0500, "Gary Eickmeier"
wrote:

Good lord, what makes a microphone this expensive??? You would have to sell
a lot of recordings to make that up. And this is for just one!

I wonder how many of these 3D Mic CD recordings were sold:
http://www.3daudioinc.com/mics.html

Copying two consecutive entries from the mic list:

Shure SM-57

Sony C-800G

That's quite a price range just between those two, and the Sony isn't
even the most expensive mic on the recording.

I got the CD way back when, and now I can say I heard those mics -
through those preamps, picking up those voices singing those tunes. I
have the first verse of "Be Thou My Vision" burned into my mind.


Gary Eickmeier

Paul wrote:
http://www.swee****er.com/store/deta...FYk7MgodX3IAmg


Just wondering if any of you pros out there have used this one.....

[hank alrich]

Ben Bradley wrote:

On Sat, 9 Mar 2013 20:58:33 -0500, "Gary Eickmeier"
wrote:

Good lord, what makes a microphone this expensive??? You would have to sell
a lot of recordings to make that up. And this is for just one!

I wonder how many of these 3D Mic CD recordings were sold:
http://www.3daudioinc.com/mics.html

Copying two consecutive entries from the mic list:

Shure SM-57

Sony C-800G

That's quite a price range just between those two, and the Sony isn't
even the most expensive mic on the recording.

I got the CD way back when, and now I can say I heard those mics -
through those preamps, picking up those voices singing those tunes. I
have the first verse of "Be Thou My Vision" burned into my mind.

Condolences, brother.

--
shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/
http://hankandshaidrimusic.com/
http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic

[Gary Eickmeier]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
PStamler wrote:
Actually, microphones are one of the places where mass production
doesn't n= ecessarily bring down the price that much. You can
achieve economies of sca= le with the electronics and general
tooling, but really good capsules requi= re high-precision
manufacturing and throwing a lot of bad ones away (I've b= een told
that Neumann rejects half of the capsules they make for U 87s).=20

This is because the U87 capsule isn't really mass-produced at all.
They are still made one at a time.

Compare with the capsule on the AKG C3000B... some pieces are
stamped, some pieces are injection molded, one piece of machine. The
diaphragm is somehow tensioned over a ring by a machine, and all the
pieces are popped together. No human hands touch anything.

The U87 capsule design was designed in an era when microphones were
small production items and it was never intended to be made in the
quantities that Neumann is making them today.

Given that necessity, some mics are always going to be pretty
expensive. If= Sony made as many C-800s as Neumann makes U 87s,
they'd probably sell for = about the same amount. But neither will
ever sell for $200.

OK, but my $200 Audio Technicas sound pretty good. They do extend into the
nether regions of the bass, and the highs are there as well, fine dynamics
etc etc. So is there really such an audible difference between these $200
mikes and those $10,000 ones?

Gary Eickmeier

[Scott Dorsey]

Gary Eickmeier wrote:
Scott Dorsey wrote:

Given that necessity, some mics are always going to be pretty
expensive. If= Sony made as many C-800s as Neumann makes U 87s,
they'd probably sell for = about the same amount. But neither will
ever sell for $200.

OK, but my $200 Audio Technicas sound pretty good. They do extend into the
nether regions of the bass, and the highs are there as well, fine dynamics
etc etc. So is there really such an audible difference between these $200
mikes and those $10,000 ones?

In the case of a highly colored microphone like a U87 or a C800G, certainly.
Is it an improvement? Maybe or maybe not.

But if the $10,000 tool lets you get the sound you want quickly, it's worth
the money because it will save you time in the long run.

I'm shocked that the C800G is up that high, though; they were only $5K new.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[hank alrich]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

I'm shocked that the C800G is up that high, though; they were only $5K new.

It's the price that makes them so expensive.

--
shut up and play your guitar * http://hankalrich.com/
http://hankandshaidrimusic.com/
http://www.youtube.com/walkinaymusic

[geoff]

"hank alrich" wrote in message
...
Scott Dorsey wrote:

I'm shocked that the C800G is up that high, though; they were only $5K
new.

It's the price that makes them so expensive.

Cheaper at half the price ...

geoff

[Mike Rivers[_2_]]

On 3/13/2013 8:55 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

But if the $10,000 tool lets you get the sound you want quickly, it's worth
the money because it will save you time in the long run.

Assuming, of course, that you have a couple of $10,000 projects. I sure
don't.




--
For a good time, call http://mikeriversaudio.wordpress.com

[Les Cargill[_4_]]

Mike Rivers wrote:
On 3/13/2013 8:55 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

But if the $10,000 tool lets you get the sound you want quickly, it's
worth
the money because it will save you time in the long run.

Assuming, of course, that you have a couple of $10,000 projects. I sure
don't.





You could have a thousand $10 projects.

--
Les Cargill

[Trevor]

"Les Cargill" wrote in message
...
Mike Rivers wrote:
On 3/13/2013 8:55 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
But if the $10,000 tool lets you get the sound you want quickly, it's
worth
the money because it will save you time in the long run.

Assuming, of course, that you have a couple of $10,000 projects. I sure
don't.

You could have a thousand $10 projects.

........ just to pay for one microphone, before any other expenses or
income!!! :-(

Trevor.

[geoff]

"Trevor" wrote in message
...

"Les Cargill" wrote in message
...
Mike Rivers wrote:
On 3/13/2013 8:55 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
But if the $10,000 tool lets you get the sound you want quickly, it's
worth
the money because it will save you time in the long run.

Assuming, of course, that you have a couple of $10,000 projects. I sure
don't.

You could have a thousand $10 projects.

....... just to pay for one microphone, before any other expenses or
income!!! :-(


Or you could get a Brauner instead, for more (double ?).

geoff

[Scott Dorsey]

In article , Mike Rivers wrote:
On 3/13/2013 8:55 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:

But if the $10,000 tool lets you get the sound you want quickly, it's worth
the money because it will save you time in the long run.

Assuming, of course, that you have a couple of $10,000 projects. I sure
don't.

Or a thousand $10 projects.

It's sort of ironic that the higher budget projects are usually the ones where
there is less time to fool around and get things set up.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[ramtazz]

On Sat, 09 Mar 2013 16:36:46 -0700, Paul wrote:

http://www.swee****er.com/store/deta...FYk7MgodX3IAmg


Just wondering if any of you pros out there have used this one.....
I love the Maxi-Heavy Duty Heat Sink at the other end....

9K.... it better sound great... and do alot more lol

Bill
Rampage Sound Studios
Lancaster, Pa

[Scott Dorsey]

ramtazz wrote:
I love the Maxi-Heavy Duty Heat Sink at the other end....

9K.... it better sound great... and do alot more lol

The whole idea was discussed extensively here when the things were new.
Basically there is a Peltier unit that cools the envelope of a 6AU6 tube
which keeps the thermal noise down. With a new tube, the noise floor is
lower than that of the standard 800 model.

The problem is that the tubes have a relatively short lifespan before
they develop some weird noise mechanism.... running them at normal
operating temperature for a while quiets them down again. And folks
didn't discover this for some time after they became popular.

And yeah, the heatsink for the peltier unit does affect the off-axis
response due to shading, but it's a C-37 capsule inside there to begin
with so it's already kind of weird off-axis.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."