Hi

bought them yesterday and I must say it is well build mixer. It doesnt
have aux sens but I doon't need them. It got a tape in/out which can
be used for extra monitoring pruposes (stereo or cassete).

It has usefull EQ and good knobs (very soft twiddling), If you are a
hobby musician at home, this mixer has it all. You can also output
your microphone recoding to tyou rsoundcard through your FX output and
thus record your vocals and listen to your background at the same
time. GREAT!

and phantom!

and light!

small!

cheap

GOOD!

better than mcdonalds!

In article writes:

bought them yesterday and I must say it is well build mixer. It doesnt
have aux sens but I doon't need them.

Save this message. In a few weeks or months you'll be back here asking
a question the answer to which is: "Just use an auxiliary send."



--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )

In article writes:

bought them yesterday and I must say it is well build mixer. It doesnt
have aux sens but I doon't need them.

Save this message. In a few weeks or months you'll be back here asking
a question the answer to which is: "Just use an auxiliary send."



--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )

Besides, there is an aux send on that mixer. It's labeled FX on the
channel strip knob, and FX Send on the jack.

Nice review...

In Article ,
(O_Zean) wrote:
Hi

bought them yesterday and I must say it is well build mixer. It doesnt
have aux sens but I doon't need them. It got a tape in/out which can
be used for extra monitoring pruposes (stereo or cassete).

It has usefull EQ and good knobs (very soft twiddling), If you are a
hobby musician at home, this mixer has it all. You can also output
your microphone recoding to tyou rsoundcard through your FX output and
thus record your vocals and listen to your background at the same
time. GREAT!

and phantom!

and light!

small!

cheap

GOOD!

better than mcdonalds!


I'm still not buying Behringer; because I don't need to and because I don't
like they way they do business. (no flames please. We've already heard the
back and forth.)

Regards,

Ty Ford

For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews,
click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford

(Mike Rivers) wrote in message news:znr1058908910k@trad...
In article writes:

bought them yesterday and I must say it is well build mixer. It doesnt
have aux sens but I doon't need them.

Save this message. In a few weeks or months you'll be back here asking
a question the answer to which is: "Just use an auxiliary send."

The reviews I read of their digital mixer were more than glowing. From
major mags. Must be something to it.

Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com

In article writes:

Besides, there is an aux send on that mixer. It's labeled FX on the
channel strip knob, and FX Send on the jack.

Nice review...

Except perhaps for the part where he said there's no auxiliary send.

I once had a Andean trio (guitar, flute, and panpipes) at a stage I
was working at a folk festival. Before going on stage, they asked me
to give them a lot of reverb on the flute and panpipe. I apoligized
saying that we didn't have a reverb unit in that system (it was a very
small outdoor stage). The guitar player looked at the mixer and said
"Just turn up the Aux Send control right there." So I thanked him and
assured him that I would.




--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )

HI

Oeps, the berhinger does have aux send (but they use another name for
it=fx sends). Well, if it got aux sends and aux returns, it has
everythign you want if you are a amateur muscian at home. It has
everything. I prefer NOT to buy silders cause the knobs on this baby
are better than silders.

I tried soem otehr conections , such as:

1) outpyt audiophile soundcard to the aux returns jacks of the UB802
and inout soundcard to FX send UB802

works great.

2) outpyt soundcard to line in mixer
input soundcard to output fx send mixer

works great, plus you have EQ and pan control of your soundcard output
and at the same time youc an record your microphone vocals indepently
of your soundcard output. Just turn the fx knob on your mic channel
all the way up and minimilize the FX knob on your mixer's line in
channel.

I don't know anything about what behringer does with its products or
its operational and strategical decisions, but I am happy as a client
and they work for me. That is themost important element. I just buy
the products, I don't look at they business and how it is done. i
don't care. it ain't my fault and still their products are on the
market. Must be cause they are legal. Otherwise they wouldn't be on
the market.

BEHRINGER! GERAT STUFF!

You are worse than I am Mike! g

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

301-585-4681




"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1058908910k@trad...

In article
writes:

bought them yesterday and I must say it is well build mixer. It doesnt
have aux sens but I doon't need them.

Save this message. In a few weeks or months you'll be back here asking
a question the answer to which is: "Just use an auxiliary send."



--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )

Well, faders are probably a little more detailed than pots, but if you like
pots, that's fine. As long as it benefits what you're doing, then it's
right for you and that's what counts.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

301-585-4681




"O_Zean" wrote in message
om...
HI

Oeps, the berhinger does have aux send (but they use another name for
it=fx sends). Well, if it got aux sends and aux returns, it has
everythign you want if you are a amateur muscian at home. It has
everything. I prefer NOT to buy silders cause the knobs on this baby
are better than silders.

I tried soem otehr conections , such as:

1) outpyt audiophile soundcard to the aux returns jacks of the UB802
and inout soundcard to FX send UB802

works great.

2) outpyt soundcard to line in mixer
input soundcard to output fx send mixer

works great, plus you have EQ and pan control of your soundcard output
and at the same time youc an record your microphone vocals indepently
of your soundcard output. Just turn the fx knob on your mic channel
all the way up and minimilize the FX knob on your mixer's line in
channel.

I don't know anything about what behringer does with its products or
its operational and strategical decisions, but I am happy as a client
and they work for me. That is themost important element. I just buy
the products, I don't look at they business and how it is done. i
don't care. it ain't my fault and still their products are on the
market. Must be cause they are legal. Otherwise they wouldn't be on
the market.

BEHRINGER! GERAT STUFF!

"Roger W. Norman" wrote in message ...
Oh, you must have wanted something back or you wouldn't have posted! g

But I really think we may have to shuck our "seriousness" over how companies
do business and let the courts work out infringements and such. Child labor
laws and slave labor claims aside, it's a given that in third world
countries the kids making a dollar a day are bringing a dollar a day more
into their households than would have been there without the job.


I think at this stage of the game it is all splitting hairs over whose
slave labor is more slave labor like. So much of the manufacturing is
in the third world.

Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com

In article writes:

Besides, there is an aux send on that mixer. It's labeled FX on the
channel strip knob, and FX Send on the jack.

Nice review...

Except perhaps for the part where he said there's no auxiliary send.

I gotta work on unveiling my facetiousness a little more...

In article , says...

Hell, our own mega companies are shipping American jobs out right now, not
because Americans won't work for the wages, but because there are laws that
make the wages too high, collective bargaining specifing that unfit workers
can't be fired, that productivity isn't as important as the worker providing
that productivity even if they don't. That compensation for such things as
health care and retirement are absolutes when most of us have neither
reasonable health care nor a retirement other than our homes, our businesses
and the equipment they own.

No the jobs are always shipped to the cheapest market, no matter what.

American jobs are shipped out as elsewhere because the mega companies can
make bigger profits elsewhere.

No I wasn't inviting a response. When are you going to start believeing what
I say?

Shuck ahead.....oh, I guess you already did. Jeeze Roger, you ever think
about writing OpEd pieces for the Post?

It's my position and I'm stickin' to it.

Regards,

Ty Ford






In Article , "Roger W. Norman"
wrote:
Oh, you must have wanted something back or you wouldn't have posted! g

But I really think we may have to shuck our "seriousness" over how companies
do business and let the courts work out infringements and such. Child labor
laws and slave labor claims aside, it's a given that in third world
countries the kids making a dollar a day are bringing a dollar a day more
into their households than would have been there without the job.
Personally, I think the totally ****ed up painting of watch dials with
irridium where people would lick the paint brushes to get finer points was
far worse than having kids do menial labor and bringing money into their
homes, particularly when kids without supervision are just as likely to
start gangbanging and really screwing with society regardless of what
country they reside in. Then it starts getting exported and we're all
fighting against an element of crime that the "social conscience" created
because they wouldn't accept the circumstances.

And no, before anyone gets all up in arms, I'm not advocating such
practices. I'm saying that I've seen, first hand, a better living standard
based on this scenario. Life with food and a home vs life with food and a
home and tons of debt as we have taken on simply to have a life. Don't get
on me about it, check the bankruptcy figures and homeless figures and the
foreclosure figures and the child mortality rates and the elderly that can't
purchase medicines because they are too expensive and such. It's not me
saying that it's acceptable, it's me saying that it's a way of life that
gives third world people some of the same sense of humanity that we all
desire from the sense of accomplishment. Everybody wants their piece of the
pie. Fortunately or unfortunately, as the case may be, everybody's piece of
the pie ain't the same sized piece. Ask anyone who's farm is going to be
foreclosed. Any job is better than no job, any crop is better than no crop
as long as the big wigs don't play with the local officials so the crop is
so cheap as to not make a difference. To the homeless a hovel is better
than a rainstorm without cover.

Hell, our own mega companies are shipping American jobs out right now, not
because Americans won't work for the wages, but because there are laws that
make the wages too high, collective bargaining specifing that unfit workers
can't be fired, that productivity isn't as important as the worker providing
that productivity even if they don't. That compensation for such things as
health care and retirement are absolutes when most of us have neither
reasonable health care nor a retirement other than our homes, our businesses
and the equipment they own.

I'm sure you guys realize that I COULD go on. Sorry Ty, I didn't mean to
make this something you didn't want to see. But the concept of our judging
others in the world because of their business practices and making those
practices the basis for all arguments against a product simply don't any
longer seem to pan out. If the Germans, prior to and during WWII, could
make really nice mics that are highly sought after now, then why can't the
Chinese, for example, be putting out really nice mics some 50+ years later?
Because they are Chinese employing children, or is it that 50 years of
additional technological development hasn't brought them a day forward, or
is it some "inner consciousness" that says "this is wrong" and therefore can
never be changed? Should we today be suggesting that anyone susceptible to
a heart attack or stroke take Bayer aspirin, or should we be pointing out
that Bayer, during WWII and before, disected humans to make the most
comprehensive collection of detailed anatomy drawings ever assembled? I'd
suggest that we all start looking at the world for what it is, not what we'd
like to see it as. Third world countries need our help in staving off
genocide, not instituting child labor laws. And the courts will figure out
the infringement things, so that's not our concern either. I'm not saying
buy a Behringer because it's there. I'm saying that we shouldn't look down
on someone because "we" wouldn't buy a Behringer due to business practices.
In that case, we shouldn't be buying power from almost anyone here in the US
because we're getting gouged all the time due to deregulation and power
hungry moguls as evidenced by Enron in California amongst others.

When are WE going to stop being the WE that pees on everybody else and then
complains that THEY smell?

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

301-585-4681




"Ty Ford" wrote in message
...
In Article ,
(O_Zean) wrote:
Hi

bought them yesterday and I must say it is well build mixer. It doesnt
have aux sens but I doon't need them. It got a tape in/out which can
be used for extra monitoring pruposes (stereo or cassete).

It has usefull EQ and good knobs (very soft twiddling), If you are a
hobby musician at home, this mixer has it all. You can also output
your microphone recoding to tyou rsoundcard through your FX output and
thus record your vocals and listen to your background at the same
time. GREAT!

and phantom!

and light!

small!

cheap

GOOD!

better than mcdonalds!


I'm still not buying Behringer; because I don't need to and because I
don't
like they way they do business. (no flames please. We've already heard the
back and forth.)

Regards,

Ty Ford

For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews,
click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford



For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews,
click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford

I said I was sorry! g

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

301-585-4681




"Ty Ford" wrote in message
...
No I wasn't inviting a response. When are you going to start believeing
what
I say?

Shuck ahead.....oh, I guess you already did. Jeeze Roger, you ever think
about writing OpEd pieces for the Post?

It's my position and I'm stickin' to it.

Regards,

Ty Ford






In Article , "Roger W. Norman"
wrote:
Oh, you must have wanted something back or you wouldn't have posted! g

But I really think we may have to shuck our "seriousness" over how
companies
do business and let the courts work out infringements and such. Child
labor
laws and slave labor claims aside, it's a given that in third world
countries the kids making a dollar a day are bringing a dollar a day more
into their households than would have been there without the job.
Personally, I think the totally ****ed up painting of watch dials with
irridium where people would lick the paint brushes to get finer points
was
far worse than having kids do menial labor and bringing money into their
homes, particularly when kids without supervision are just as likely to
start gangbanging and really screwing with society regardless of what
country they reside in. Then it starts getting exported and we're all
fighting against an element of crime that the "social conscience" created
because they wouldn't accept the circumstances.

And no, before anyone gets all up in arms, I'm not advocating such
practices. I'm saying that I've seen, first hand, a better living
standard
based on this scenario. Life with food and a home vs life with food and
a
home and tons of debt as we have taken on simply to have a life. Don't
get
on me about it, check the bankruptcy figures and homeless figures and the
foreclosure figures and the child mortality rates and the elderly that
can't
purchase medicines because they are too expensive and such. It's not me
saying that it's acceptable, it's me saying that it's a way of life that
gives third world people some of the same sense of humanity that we all
desire from the sense of accomplishment. Everybody wants their piece of
the
pie. Fortunately or unfortunately, as the case may be, everybody's piece
of
the pie ain't the same sized piece. Ask anyone who's farm is going to be
foreclosed. Any job is better than no job, any crop is better than no
crop
as long as the big wigs don't play with the local officials so the crop
is
so cheap as to not make a difference. To the homeless a hovel is better
than a rainstorm without cover.

Hell, our own mega companies are shipping American jobs out right now,
not
because Americans won't work for the wages, but because there are laws
that
make the wages too high, collective bargaining specifing that unfit
workers
can't be fired, that productivity isn't as important as the worker
providing
that productivity even if they don't. That compensation for such things
as
health care and retirement are absolutes when most of us have neither
reasonable health care nor a retirement other than our homes, our
businesses
and the equipment they own.

I'm sure you guys realize that I COULD go on. Sorry Ty, I didn't mean to
make this something you didn't want to see. But the concept of our
judging
others in the world because of their business practices and making those
practices the basis for all arguments against a product simply don't any
longer seem to pan out. If the Germans, prior to and during WWII, could
make really nice mics that are highly sought after now, then why can't
the
Chinese, for example, be putting out really nice mics some 50+ years
later?
Because they are Chinese employing children, or is it that 50 years of
additional technological development hasn't brought them a day forward,
or
is it some "inner consciousness" that says "this is wrong" and therefore
can
never be changed? Should we today be suggesting that anyone susceptible
to
a heart attack or stroke take Bayer aspirin, or should we be pointing out
that Bayer, during WWII and before, disected humans to make the most
comprehensive collection of detailed anatomy drawings ever assembled?
I'd
suggest that we all start looking at the world for what it is, not what
we'd
like to see it as. Third world countries need our help in staving off
genocide, not instituting child labor laws. And the courts will figure
out
the infringement things, so that's not our concern either. I'm not
saying
buy a Behringer because it's there. I'm saying that we shouldn't look
down
on someone because "we" wouldn't buy a Behringer due to business
practices.
In that case, we shouldn't be buying power from almost anyone here in the
US
because we're getting gouged all the time due to deregulation and power
hungry moguls as evidenced by Enron in California amongst others.

When are WE going to stop being the WE that pees on everybody else and
then
complains that THEY smell?

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

301-585-4681




"Ty Ford" wrote in message
...
In Article ,
(O_Zean) wrote:
Hi

bought them yesterday and I must say it is well build mixer. It doesnt
have aux sens but I doon't need them. It got a tape in/out which can
be used for extra monitoring pruposes (stereo or cassete).

It has usefull EQ and good knobs (very soft twiddling), If you are a
hobby musician at home, this mixer has it all. You can also output
your microphone recoding to tyou rsoundcard through your FX output and
thus record your vocals and listen to your background at the same
time. GREAT!

and phantom!

and light!

small!

cheap

GOOD!

better than mcdonalds!


I'm still not buying Behringer; because I don't need to and because I
don't
like they way they do business. (no flames please. We've already heard
the
back and forth.)

Regards,

Ty Ford

For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews,
click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford



For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews,
click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford

And the cheapest markets are where labor unions can't keep people in jobs
they don't do the work in, like the federal government, who ostensibly can't
fire someone without a long drawn out grievence hearing and testimony from
others, so mostly people who can't get the job done end up either moving
over or moving up. Ask Mike Rivers. I'm sure he's known some really idiot
people who've worked for the government but managed to continually get
advanced because it was easier than taking them to task for their inability
to perform. Certainly I've seen it time and time again in my 20 years of
government consulting work. It's not the work you present, it's the
projects you work on. High profile projects get you advanced whether you
did the work or not.

In more mundane jobs it's still the same. Here in DC it takes 5 people to
paint an electrical access lid, or dig a trench, 4 of whom watch the 5th guy
doing the work.

I don't disagree with you. In fact I said exactly the same thing in the
paragraph above your response. I just went into WHY we can't get Americans
jobs, and a lot of it is these labor union situations where one entity can't
get the people they need because they have the people that can't get the
work done and can't be fired, so they have no positions available. Labor
unions had their day; they increased the income and safety of the worker,
and built the guidelines that we, as Americans, expect to see when we hire
on to do a job (40 hour 5 day week). But they also made this arbitration
thing so costly that most union situations do not get rid of slackers, and,
in fact, build slackers because the slackers know they can't just get fired.

OTOH, George Bush is trying to eliminate a lot of the good that labor unions
have done by calling an initiative a worker's bill, intimating that it's an
extension of Clinton's maternal/paternal leave to take care of newborn
children, when in fact it's an effort to eliminate big corporation's
obligation to pay "exempt" employees overtime by either deferring it until
the end of that year, or simply saying they can't afford to pay it and the
employee is screwed out of as much as 160 hours of work per year. Multiply
that by 10,000 + employees and you've got some $23+ million of cost savings
to each corporation. Multiply that by the Fortune 500 and you've got
BILLIONS of dollars staying with the companies when the people have ALREADY
done the work. This is George Bush in action for you.

Now how all this fits in is that on the one hand you have jobs that HAVE to
pay X amount because they are union jobs, and on the other hand, money will
be taken away from people when they work required overtime because it's not
beneficial to the companies that employ the people. And all the while we
still have millions of Americans out of work who would be glad to work at
any reasonable price if they can just do their jobs. This is a three way
schism, not just a dichotomy.

So to avoid all the possible legal hassles, American corporations send work
overseas while our unemployed can't get a job. Now is it simply because the
mega companies can make more money overseas, or is it because there's too
much going on that won't allow our American brothers and sisters to work?

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

301-585-4681




"Mainlander" *@*.* wrote in message
z...
In article , says...

Hell, our own mega companies are shipping American jobs out right now,
not
because Americans won't work for the wages, but because there are laws
that
make the wages too high, collective bargaining specifing that unfit
workers
can't be fired, that productivity isn't as important as the worker
providing
that productivity even if they don't. That compensation for such things
as
health care and retirement are absolutes when most of us have neither
reasonable health care nor a retirement other than our homes, our busine
sses
and the equipment they own.

No the jobs are always shipped to the cheapest market, no matter what.

American jobs are shipped out as elsewhere because the mega companies can
make bigger profits elsewhere.

Be Ringer! Grate stuff!

Dale
Oddio Guy

Uh, oh. Where's the spellcheck . . .

(O_Zean) wrote...
i am against everything.

Can I use that as my .sig?

well roger,

the problem occurs in every country besides Germany, cause there
different set of rules exist. Germany has a working mentality. USa and
HOlland do not. They have a talking mentality. talk abot this and
power and all is good, but at the end they will shift thei plants to
china and korea. Why do you think korea is so powerfull nowadays.
YEap, cheap labor and whard working people.

USa isn't what is used to be. Go west....yeah right..Go down under.

And abot the war.....dont use your power to gain more poewr.

sto it

(O_Zean) wrote in message . com...
well roger,

the problem occurs in every country besides Germany, cause there
different set of rules exist. Germany has a working mentality. USa and
HOlland do not. They have a talking mentality. talk abot this and
power and all is good, but at the end they will shift thei plants to
china and korea. Why do you think korea is so powerfull nowadays.
YEap, cheap labor and whard working people.

USa isn't what is used to be. Go west....yeah right..Go down under.

And abot the war.....dont use your power to gain more poewr.

sto it


Well gee if you are going to accuse us of being slovenly, careless
workers, lemme tell you about my two Waldorf (GERMAN) synths.

The XTK arrived with two screws rolling around inside, one of which
had obviously been snapped off from somewhere.

The Q arrived with some sort of weird power supply fault, where if you
power up from standby mode, it does not put out audio at all. It's an
intermittent fault that happens about 10% of the time...really hard to
chase down.

I love the look, sound, programming, etc. of the Waldorf company and
the people that run it, but so far the are batting 0 for 2 in the
reliability department.

I've got three old (one from 1984, one from 1988, one NOS from the
early 1990's) Oberheims that work just fine.

So much for that fine German build quality I guess...

Analogeezer

(Analogeezer) wrote in message . com...
(O_Zean) wrote in message . com...
well roger,

the problem occurs in every country besides Germany, cause there
different set of rules exist. Germany has a working mentality. USa and
HOlland do not. They have a talking mentality. talk abot this and
power and all is good, but at the end they will shift thei plants to
china and korea. Why do you think korea is so powerfull nowadays.
YEap, cheap labor and whard working people.

USa isn't what is used to be. Go west....yeah right..Go down under.

And abot the war.....dont use your power to gain more poewr.

sto it


Well gee if you are going to accuse us of being slovenly, careless
workers, lemme tell you about my two Waldorf (GERMAN) synths.

The XTK arrived with two screws rolling around inside, one of which
had obviously been snapped off from somewhere.

The Q arrived with some sort of weird power supply fault, where if you
power up from standby mode, it does not put out audio at all. It's an
intermittent fault that happens about 10% of the time...really hard to
chase down.

I love the look, sound, programming, etc. of the Waldorf company and
the people that run it, but so far the are batting 0 for 2 in the
reliability department.

I've got three old (one from 1984, one from 1988, one NOS from the
early 1990's) Oberheims that work just fine.

So much for that fine German build quality I guess...

Analogeezer


Well, let's talk about USA polution. That ismuch worse thatn broken
waldorfs and ****. Look at the BMW or german pioneers in music. Must
be because they are good. I am not saying USA stinks or whatever. i
buy american stuff too and I watch jerry springer and oprah somtimes.
But americans tend to be so nationalistic. Like the french. Just be
koel man!