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I thought I'd probably pick up an SM-57 but I would like to hear from people on
this group about any good alternatives at a comperable price. While I disagree with the standard rec.audio.pro opinion on mastering compression, I do appreciate the knowledgable opinions about gear that abound here. (aside from the anti-Behringer brigade, that is). So any suggestions will be appreciated! |
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I thought I'd probably pick up an SM-57 but I would like to hear from people on this group about any good alternatives at a comperable price. While I disagree with the standard rec.audio.pro opinion on mastering compression, I do appreciate the knowledgable opinions about gear that abound here. (aside from the anti-Behringer brigade, that is). So any suggestions will be appreciated! You should give some more information about the music, voice and environment for which you plan to use it. In any case, here are a couple of my suggestions: Live - Audix OM5 (a little more expensive but worth it) Studio - The cheapest general purpose thing I've used that I would use again was a Studio Projects C1. --Vas |
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![]() "Chevdo" wrote in message news:KJ2gg.2712$A8.1146@clgrps12... I thought I'd probably pick up an SM-57 but I would like to hear from people on this group about any good alternatives at a comperable price. While I disagree with the standard rec.audio.pro opinion on mastering compression, I do appreciate the knowledgable opinions about gear that abound here. (aside from the anti-Behringer brigade, that is). So any suggestions will be appreciated! As long as they suit your opinions? No problem. Behringer B1. Predrag |
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I might get flamed, but CAD makes a condenser vocal mic that is in the
same price range, but would have a better sound than a 57 for vocals. Jon Chevdo wrote: I thought I'd probably pick up an SM-57 but I would like to hear from people on this group about any good alternatives at a comperable price. While I disagree with the standard rec.audio.pro opinion on mastering compression, I do appreciate the knowledgable opinions about gear that abound here. (aside from the anti-Behringer brigade, that is). So any suggestions will be appreciated! |
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Chevdo wrote:
In article .com, says... Chevdo wrote: I thought I'd probably pick up an SM-57 but I would like to hear from people on this group about any good alternatives at a comperable price. While I disagree with the standard rec.audio.pro opinion on mastering compression, I do appreciate the knowledgable opinions about gear that abound here. (aside from the anti-Behringer brigade, that is). So any suggestions will be appreciated! You should give some more information about the music, voice and environment for which you plan to use it. In any case, here are a couple of my suggestions: Live - Audix OM5 (a little more expensive but worth it) Studio - The cheapest general purpose thing I've used that I would use again was a Studio Projects C1. Thanks, if I had planned to use the mic in a specific environment I would have specified that. By mentioning only that I wanted it for vocals, I established that I want a mic that is versatile for vocal applications, like the SM-57 is. Thanks for the suggestions but I'd also appreciate a more elaborate response including reasons why you would choose your suggested mic over an SM-57. I like the OM5 for its tight pattern (which is critical live) and less peaky (to my ears, anyway) sound than a 57. In the studio, it's hard to recommend something general, because while a 57 might be just the ticket for a screaming metal guy, or backing hip-hop tracks, it is in no way something I would use on a female jazz vocal. For your average pop vocal, in the price range you specified, I liked the C1 simply for how it compared to the sound of an 87 which has been my 'go to' mic for most vocals. No, it's not exactly like one, but for 1/13th the price it's not too bad. It's got some weirdness from the high mids on up (4KHz+) but, again, for the money, it's ok. Bottom line is, yes it would be nice to have better gear, but if you don't have the money and need to make music now, then get what you can afford and upgrade later. Unless you're going to focus strictly on pop studio vocals and if you don't already have a 57, you might as well get one, because you will end up using it on other things, like guitar cabs or snare drums. BTW, I prefer the Beta57 in a majority of applications, so you might check that one out as well. Also, I know it's out of your price range, but the EV RE-20 is an extremely versatile microphone for not a whole lot of money. --Vas |
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![]() Chevdo wrote: I thought I'd probably pick up an SM-57 but I would like to hear from people on this group about any good alternatives at a comperable price. Threre's a hundred you could choose from, but if you've had experience with the SM57 on vocals and you like it, there's no reason not to use it. Just be sure you have a singer who can sing and has a good song. Othewise, not even a perfect condition U47 will help. |
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Chevdo wrote:
Yeah I think the 57 is probably what I'll go for. I do want to be able to use the mic to back up the Rode NT4 for recording instruments, so the 57 would be versatile enough for that. What are you plugging it into? SM57's have deeply ingrained likes and dislikes for various types of preamps. They come from an era of transformer front ends, and do not always play nicely with solid state inputs. They are egregiously awful with Mackies and similar "affordable" preamps. They are surprisingly pleasant with things like Great Rivers and Hardys. At lesser expense, McQ held "working well with an SM57 or 58" in his sights when he designed the FMR RNP. -- ha |
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"Chevdo" wrote in message
news:KJ2gg.2712$A8.1146@clgrps12 I thought I'd probably pick up an SM-57 but I would like to hear from people on this group about any good alternatives at a comperable price. While I disagree with the standard rec.audio.pro opinion on mastering compression, I do appreciate the knowledgable opinions about gear that abound here. (aside from the anti-Behringer brigade, that is). So any suggestions will be appreciated! Depends what kind of voice you have. For example, if you're a tenor or a girl, then an Audix OM-5 is a good choice. If you're a bass, then the OM-6 might be more to your liking. It also depends on what style of micing you want to use. The OM series of mics are good for close-working. If you want to stand a liittle ways from a mic on a stand and you have a room with pretty good acoustics, then a wider variety of mics can work, especially if you add a pop filter. |
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I might get flamed, but CAD makes a condenser vocal mic that is in the same price range, but would have a better sound than a 57 for vocals. If you mean the CAD C-195, then that could be a good choice. The difference in smoothness and fullness between a CAD 95 or C-195 and a SM57 or 58 is pretty dramatic. And, being a condensor, its compatible with a wider variety of preamps. |
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On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:12:58 -0400, Chevdo wrote
(in article KJ2gg.2712$A8.1146@clgrps12): I thought I'd probably pick up an SM-57 but I would like to hear from people on this group about any good alternatives at a comperable price. While I disagree with the standard rec.audio.pro opinion on mastering compression, I do appreciate the knowledgable opinions about gear that abound here. (aside from the anti-Behringer brigade, that is). So any suggestions will be appreciated! The SM58 (rather than the SM57) is more frequently used as a vocal mic. But there in lies the rub. You can't reallly choose a mic without choosing a preamp. I've worked on recordings that sounded really quite amazing that were done with an SM58 and an ancient Peavy PA board. Surprised the crap out of me. It's how the mic and preamp interact with each other that makes the sound. I wouldn't want a cheap vocal mic if vocals weren't important to me. I'd want the best vocal mic I could get and then see if I could afford it. Furthermore, taking anyone's opinion here without doing the testing yourself, is liable to get you in trouble, because the particular voice and singing style also have to be considered. I've heard good things about the Audix OM5, I've used a Neuman KMS 105, Audio Technica AE5400, Sennheiser 431 and 441, EV RE20 and RE27ND and a few more. I have reviews of a bunch of them on my site. Buy cheap if you want to, but know that in doing so, you may be short-sheeting the sound. Regards, Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com |
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If you want you can visit my site where I make audition of some mics on
male and female vocals, using a shure sm57 and others as well take a look http://www.gearaudition.com Chevdo a écrit : I thought I'd probably pick up an SM-57 but I would like to hear from people on this group about any good alternatives at a comperable price. While I disagree with the standard rec.audio.pro opinion on mastering compression, I do appreciate the knowledgable opinions about gear that abound here. (aside from the anti-Behringer brigade, that is). So any suggestions will be appreciated! |
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In article KJ2gg.2712$A8.1146@clgrps12, Chevdo wrote:
I thought I'd probably pick up an SM-57 but I would like to hear from people on this group about any good alternatives at a comperable price. While I disagree with the standard rec.audio.pro opinion on mastering compression, I do appreciate the knowledgable opinions about gear that abound here. (aside from the anti-Behringer brigade, that is). So any suggestions will be appreciated! What range do you sing in? How does your voice sound, overall? Do you pop your Ps? Do you want something with a presence peak or not? Are you talking about mikes for PA or recording? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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![]() Chevdo wrote: I thought I'd probably pick up an SM-57 but I would like to hear from people on this group about any good alternatives at a comperable price. While I disagree with the standard rec.audio.pro opinion on mastering compression, I do appreciate the knowledgable opinions about gear that abound here. (aside from the anti-Behringer brigade, that is). So any suggestions will be appreciated! How cheap do you want to be ? Graham |
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In article Kp3gg.13937$JX1.6876@edtnps82, Chevdo wrote:
Thanks, if I had planned to use the mic in a specific environment I would have specified that. By mentioning only that I wanted it for vocals, I established that I want a mic that is versatile for vocal applications, like the SM-57 is. I'd say that the SM-57 is actually not very versatile, because it's first of all prone to P-popping for people who do that, and secondly it has the huge presence peak. Thanks for the suggestions but I'd also appreciate a more elaborate response including reasons why you would choose your suggested mic over an SM-57. I'd pick the RE-16 first off. It sounds better off-mike which makes it a good choice for people with bad mike technique. It doesn't pop easily and it has less presence boost. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Jon" wrote in message I might get flamed, but CAD makes a condenser vocal mic that is in the same price range, but would have a better sound than a 57 for vocals. If you mean the CAD C-195, then that could be a good choice. The difference in smoothness and fullness between a CAD 95 or C-195 and a SM57 or 58 is pretty dramatic. And, being a condensor, its compatible with a wider variety of preamps. Yeah, if i had to pick, i would go with the Cad, and you can get them pretty cheap on eBay. Jon |
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In article .com,
says... If you want you can visit my site where I make audition of some mics on male and female vocals, using a shure sm57 and others as well take a look http://www.gearaudition.com hey that sounds good, thanks! Chevdo a =E9crit : I thought I'd probably pick up an SM-57 but I would like to hear from peo= ple on this group about any good alternatives at a comperable price. While I di= sagree with the standard rec.audio.pro opinion on mastering compression, I do appreciate the knowledgable opinions about gear that abound here. (aside = from the anti-Behringer brigade, that is). =20 So any suggestions will be appreciated! |
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In article Mpngg.8044$771.1566@edtnps89, says...
In article , says... "Chevdo" wrote in message news:KJ2gg.2712$A8.1146@clgrps12 I thought I'd probably pick up an SM-57 but I would like to hear from people on this group about any good alternatives at a comperable price. While I disagree with the standard rec.audio.pro opinion on mastering compression, I do appreciate the knowledgable opinions about gear that abound here. (aside from the anti-Behringer brigade, that is). So any suggestions will be appreciated! Depends what kind of voice you have. For example, if you're a tenor or a girl, then an Audix OM-5 is a good choice. If you're a bass, then the OM-6 might be more to your liking. You guys just can't get your heads around the word 'versatile'. I am going to use the full range of my own voice, which means from gravelly-whisky soaked to falsetto. And from whispering to screaming, too. But mostly just well-projected average volume. |
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![]() Chevdo wrote: C'mon, there really can't be that many reasonable quality alternatives to SM57/58 for around the same price. I know they're all much, much *better* ! Graham |
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I missed this thread start, however thought I'd jump in with my newest
mic on the pile, that I'm pretty happy with "Bang for the buck" I picked up a Cad Equitek2 e300.2, on recommendation from a friend, that they were currently on sale for around $250.00 I a/b'd it with a u87 and really... with my voice... the clarity, natural, unfiltered sound, and bottom end, holds it's own. Sure... it's character is a bit different, in all of these aspects... but hey... for $250.00 it's one of my better "Value for dollar" buys of this week. At least on my initial little test. (I'll let you know what I "REALLY" think, when I mix a track, with the vocal cut on this mic... I'll probably use it on the next few demos I'm cutting.... give it a run. However... right out of the box, I can say for sure.... listening to this mic, and the u87, I don't hear a $250.00 mic v.s. a $2500.00 mic... I hear 2 really good mics. Bobby P. Longsocks |
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Chevdo wrote:
...a $10 radio shack microphone tends to handle vocals well enough to satisfy me, I just thought I might as well invest a little more and get a little more. I could probably end up using a $40 karaoke mic and be fine with it, so I'm sure anything in the SM-57 price range will be fine, but I would like to get the most bang for my buck of course.. If a $10 dollar mic is good enough for you, use it and stop wasting everybody's time. [You post a lot of pretty inane statements.] If you're really looking for a good $100 alternative, try the Audio Technica AT-2020. It's a smallish diameter side address mic that's way better than its price point would suggest. -glenn |
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Having finally gotten around to trying out a Beta 57, it's a helluva lot
better than an SM57, less peaky and with much less distortion up top. With a decent pop filter it might do your job okay. Peace, Paul |
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Maybe what you need is an 80-dollar BJ instead of an 80-dollar mike...
Finally. You should've said that and only that, rather than prefacing it with stupidity, because I'm likely to discount your opinion on that microphone now that you have revealed to me how stupid you are. |
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![]() Chevdo wrote: In article , says... Chevdo wrote: C'mon, there really can't be that many reasonable quality alternatives to SM57/58 for around the same price. I know they're all much, much *better* ! I can't make a lick of sense out of that statement, sorry. Every microphone around the same price as the SM57 & 58 is much much better than the 57 or 58? Yes. Obviously that is BS, Why do you think so ? so what the hell are you talking about? SM57s and 58s being mediocre. Graham |
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![]() Chevdo wrote: In article . com, says... If a $10 dollar mic is good enough for you, use it and stop wasting everybody's time. I am sick of idiots like you who can't read. If a $10 microphone were good enough for me, I would have said so and wouldn't be wasting anyones time. I clearly stated in the paragraph above that I want to invest a little more to get a little more. That means the $10 mic ISNT good enough for me, you illiterate twit. You've entirely failed to specify how much you're prepared to pay though ( cheap is hardly an adequate description ) so ppl are suggesting $250 mics. Graham |
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![]() Chevdo wrote: screw off, jackass Now you see that's the kind of response that'll get you plonked. Graham |
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On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 18:00:27 -0400, Chevdo wrote
(in article %Dngg.8050$771.6873@edtnps89): In article , says... Buy cheap if you want to, but know that in doing so, you may be short-sheeting the sound. I doubt it, a $10 radio shack microphone tends to handle vocals well enough to satisfy me, I just thought I might as well invest a little more and get a little more. I could probably end up using a $40 karaoke mic and be fine with it, so I'm sure anything in the SM-57 price range will be fine, but I would like to get the most bang for my buck of course.. Well there you are bucko. Happy trails. Ty Ford -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric stuff are at www.tyford.com |
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