so my computer is f-ing up pretty bad, so if this message gets post
more than once... my apologies..


Remeber the days when you could pick up a MK012 for 99$ new at your
local GC.. i was floored when i saw that i couldnt find a matched pair
for anything less than 345$ new... I have a budget of 200-225$ for
mic(s) for mainly steel string acoustic guitar. Does anyone know where
to find a used matched pair of mk012's around that pricerange? or
possibly a good price for just one used... or does anyone have any
other recomandations for mic(s) on acoustic guitar around that budget?

any response would be a great help.

Uzytkownik "nickw24" napisal w wiadomosci
oups.com...
so my computer is f-ing up pretty bad, so if this message gets post
more than once... my apologies..


Remeber the days when you could pick up a MK012 for 99$ new at your
local GC.. i was floored when i saw that i couldnt find a matched pair
for anything less than 345$ new... I have a budget of 200-225$ for
mic(s) for mainly steel string acoustic guitar. Does anyone know where
to find a used matched pair of mk012's around that pricerange? or
possibly a good price for just one used... or does anyone have any
other recomandations for mic(s) on acoustic guitar around that budget?

* You can look for Studio Projects C4.

cheers

nickw24 wrote:
Remeber the days when you could pick up a MK012 for 99$ new at your
local GC.. i was floored when i saw that i couldnt find a matched
pair
for anything less than 345$ new... I have a budget of 200-225$ for
mic(s) for mainly steel string acoustic guitar. Does anyone know
where
to find a used matched pair of mk012's around that pricerange? or
possibly a good price for just one used... or does anyone have any
other recomandations for mic(s) on acoustic guitar around that
budget?

any response would be a great help.

Well I remember the MC012 from the days before Banjo Mart
distrubuted the mics and then blew them out to dump the crap returns,
back when you had to buy them from guys who brought them in Russia.
My Brother noticed Film Score guys at the Studio we both worked at
carrying around boxes of them because they were good enough to do the
job and cheap enough that it wouldn't kill you if you got ripped off.
And some of us endured being told they sounded like "hamster dick"
g , because when you add a little quality control to the line and
throw out the bad ones you end up with a pretty good mic for the money.

If you can find a "matched pair" for $345 that's still pretty
cheap for the MC012, the Soundroom Matched pairs w/ 3 capsules are like
$659 and it's worth it I think. But if you need cheap or can't tell
the difference anyway, buy a pair of Marshall MXL603's.

Will Miho
NY Music and TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio/Fox News/M-AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

nickw24 wrote:

so my computer is f-ing up pretty bad, so if this message gets post
more than once... my apologies..


Remeber the days when you could pick up a MK012 for 99$ new at your
local GC.. i was floored when i saw that i couldnt find a matched pair
for anything less than 345$ new... I have a budget of 200-225$ for
mic(s) for mainly steel string acoustic guitar. Does anyone know where
to find a used matched pair of mk012's around that pricerange? or
possibly a good price for just one used... or does anyone have any
other recomandations for mic(s) on acoustic guitar around that budget?

any response would be a great help.


If you can up your budget another 50 bucks or so buy a couple of Crown
CM700's. There are 6 of them on ebay right now ending in about 9 hours.
There is also a pair on ebay that are sitting at $150. Here are the
links. Good luck.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...1859 101&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...2754 149&rd=1

Jim

--
it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your
mouth and remove all doubt....

nickw24 wrote:

Remeber the days when you could pick up a MK012 for 99$ new at your
local GC.. i was floored when i saw that i couldnt find a matched pair
for anything less than 345$ new... I have a budget of 200-225$ for
mic(s) for mainly steel string acoustic guitar. Does anyone know where
to find a used matched pair of mk012's around that pricerange? or
possibly a good price for just one used... or does anyone have any
other recomandations for mic(s) on acoustic guitar around that budget?

Okay, GC is the only authorized US vendor for the Oktava mikes. A&S McKay
imports them and sells them exclusively to GC.

GC does not match them. GC does not select them. My suspicion, though I
cannot prove it, is that GC is getting the culls that McKay can't sell in
the UK. But GC does often run sales, and you can still get them pretty
cheaply through them or Musician's Friend (which they own).

There are some grey market dealers like the Sound Room which buy direct
from Russia and get better quality production, and which usually provide
some quality control and matching on top of that.

For an acoustic guitar, you don't need the mikes to be matched, and to be
honest you may only need one mike. I think you'd be better off with one
selected 012 from the Sound Room than with two from GC. But then, you
also might want to look at the EV N/D 468, which is a dynamic but one
without a presence peak and with some decent top end. And you might like
the Crown CM-700 also.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article .com writes:

Remeber the days when you could pick up a MK012 for 99$ new at your
local GC.. i was floored when i saw that i couldnt find a matched pair
for anything less than 345$ new...

Ain't success wonderful? When there were no other similar mics for
$99, the Russian mic was the hot item. Now that there are a dozen or
more functionally similar (and probably more consistently built)
Chinese mics that have lower landed cost, the Russian mics are no
longer a good loss leader.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
nickw24 wrote:

Remeber the days when you could pick up a MK012 for 99$ new at your
local GC.. i was floored when i saw that i couldnt find a matched pair
for anything less than 345$ new... I have a budget of 200-225$ for
mic(s) for mainly steel string acoustic guitar. Does anyone know where
to find a used matched pair of mk012's around that pricerange? or
possibly a good price for just one used... or does anyone have any
other recomandations for mic(s) on acoustic guitar around that budget?

Okay, GC is the only authorized US vendor for the Oktava mikes. A&S McKay
imports them and sells them exclusively to GC.

GC does not match them. GC does not select them. My suspicion, though I
cannot prove it, is that GC is getting the culls that McKay can't sell in
the UK. But GC does often run sales, and you can still get them pretty
cheaply through them or Musician's Friend (which they own).

Actually the GC's in this area stopped carrying the 012's entirely, probably
because of all of the returns. They also implemented a "no returns" policy
on mics about this same time.

Sean

That's the place to go, where you can't audition them or return them if they
suck! They should change GC to PIG IN A POKE.

Tom

"Sean Conolly" wrote in message
. ..
"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
nickw24 wrote:

Remeber the days when you could pick up a MK012 for 99$ new at your
local GC.. i was floored when i saw that i couldnt find a matched pair
for anything less than 345$ new... I have a budget of 200-225$ for
mic(s) for mainly steel string acoustic guitar. Does anyone know where
to find a used matched pair of mk012's around that pricerange? or
possibly a good price for just one used... or does anyone have any
other recomandations for mic(s) on acoustic guitar around that budget?

Okay, GC is the only authorized US vendor for the Oktava mikes. A&S
McKay
imports them and sells them exclusively to GC.

GC does not match them. GC does not select them. My suspicion, though
I
cannot prove it, is that GC is getting the culls that McKay can't sell
in
the UK. But GC does often run sales, and you can still get them pretty
cheaply through them or Musician's Friend (which they own).

Actually the GC's in this area stopped carrying the 012's entirely,
probably
because of all of the returns. They also implemented a "no returns" policy
on mics about this same time.

Sean

"DuchovnySexBomb" wrote in message
news
GC has always had a no return policy on mics due to US health code
regulations.

Quote the relevant regulations, please. I don't believe there's any such
thing.

Hal Laurent
Baltimore

"DuchovnySexBomb" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:57:35 -0400, Hal Laurent wrote:

"DuchovnySexBomb" wrote in message
news
GC has always had a no return policy on mics due to US health code
regulations.

Quote the relevant regulations, please. I don't believe there's any such
thing.

I figured someone would ask this. As I stated in a different thread, I'm
neither a doctor or a health code expert, but from all that I have been
taught about hygiene and sanitation at the bare minimum it makes Really
Good Sense (tm). However, I'll look into it and if I run across it, I'll
post a direct link to the documentation.

All I ask for in return is that while I search, you please be so kind as
to quote for me the relevant regulations regarding the requirement to wear
undergarments when trying on bathing suits, or the regulation requiring
employees to wash their hands before returning from a bathroom to work.

I don't follow your logic here. Do you put your microphones in your mouth?
Or lick them? Where is the health hazard? And even if you do kinky things
with your microphones, how long are germs going to live on a metal
microphone grill?

Don't even get me started on how modern children get shielded from germs so
much that I don't know how they're supposed to build up antibodies...

Hal Laurent
Baltimore

I recently bought a pair of Mk-012-01's on Ebay. It was a "Buy it Now"
auction that I believe I was one of the first people to see, as I was
obsessed with Ebay for a little while. The guy must not have known
what he had because I got the pair for $125. They had some small dents
I found later, but sound pretty good. If you watch Ebay religously for
about a month or so, you may be able to find something similar. Wow, I
really sound like a loser.

-steve

"DuchovnySexBomb" wrote in message news
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 10:38:18 -0400, Sean Conolly wrote:

Actually the GC's in this area stopped carrying the 012's entirely, probably
because of all of the returns. They also implemented a "no returns" policy
on mics about this same time.

GC has always had a no return policy on mics due to US health code
regulations. Harmonicas and headphones fall under the same blanket. It
really just depends on how strictly that particular store enforces it,
although it should be pretty much the same across the board.


This "policy" only came into play about 3 or 4 years ago.

On 5 Apr 2005 19:25:22 -0700, "elecbanana" wrote:

I recently bought a pair of Mk-012-01's on Ebay. It was a "Buy it Now"
auction that I believe I was one of the first people to see, as I was
obsessed with Ebay for a little while. The guy must not have known
what he had because I got the pair for $125. They had some small dents
I found later, but sound pretty good. If you watch Ebay religously for
about a month or so, you may be able to find something similar. Wow, I
really sound like a loser.

Hey let's just say you were a smart shopper... I've often haunted ebay
looking forgreat deals, and have occasionally found them. Bought a
Beyer M-160 in great shape for $225 one time. My favorite thing is
searching for alternate spellings...

Al

"DuchovnySexBomb" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:43:08 +0000, David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:


"DuchovnySexBomb" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 10:38:18 -0400, Sean Conolly wrote:

Actually the GC's in this area stopped carrying the 012's entirely,
probably
because of all of the returns. They also implemented a "no returns"
policy
on mics about this same time.

GC has always had a no return policy on mics due to US health code
regulations. Harmonicas and headphones fall under the same blanket. It
really just depends on how strictly that particular store enforces it,
although it should be pretty much the same across the board.

This "policy" only came into play about 3 or 4 years ago.

I know for a fact that it has been in effect since at least 2000. I can't
vouch for anything before this though.

I've been shopping at GC's around the country since ~97 - and I never saw
this policy until 2002 (not saying your store didn't have it, just that it
wasn't common). I've never run across this policy in any other music store.

Sean

well.. i appreciate the input... it seems the more research i try to
do,the more options i run into, and the bigger the head-ache i am
ending up with.. but perhaps that is due to the lack of sleep and
increase caffiene in my system (whose to say?)

due to my fiscal squeeze i think i might just go with a new pair of
603's... you think that is a better buy then one c4 or one 3031 for
guitar? if im lucky perhaps i can find a used c4 or 4041, i saw that
they were going for 200$ at some site, but sold out now...

does tracking with two mics make that much of a difference? i have
always copied one track and added dely and some pan to get that stereo
sound... so this is slightly new water im treading..

My three sisters used to return clothes all the time!
In fact, my eldest sister would seam rip a dress, make a pattern, then
sew it back together and return it. How's that for reverse engineering?

But it's ok to blow into the mic at the store (or buy the floor model)?

Aren't more diseases transmitted though hands?

"Sorry, no returns on guitars.....no trying them out either."
"No, we can't sell use guitars unless they've been boiled for ten
hours."

We love you, Guitar Center!

On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:38:18 -0400, Sean Conolly wrote
(in article ):

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
nickw24 wrote:

Remeber the days when you could pick up a MK012 for 99$ new at your
local GC.. i was floored when i saw that i couldnt find a matched pair
for anything less than 345$ new... I have a budget of 200-225$ for
mic(s) for mainly steel string acoustic guitar. Does anyone know where
to find a used matched pair of mk012's around that pricerange? or
possibly a good price for just one used... or does anyone have any
other recomandations for mic(s) on acoustic guitar around that budget?

Okay, GC is the only authorized US vendor for the Oktava mikes. A&S McKay
imports them and sells them exclusively to GC.

GC does not match them. GC does not select them. My suspicion, though I
cannot prove it, is that GC is getting the culls that McKay can't sell in
the UK. But GC does often run sales, and you can still get them pretty
cheaply through them or Musician's Friend (which they own).

Actually the GC's in this area stopped carrying the 012's entirely, probably
because of all of the returns. They also implemented a "no returns" policy
on mics about this same time.

Sean

No big loss. Why not try an AT2020. Street price $99!
New technology, better construction.

Regards,

Ty Ford




-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

nickw24 wrote:

does tracking with two mics make that much of a difference? i have
always copied one track and added dely and some pan to get that stereo
sound... so this is slightly new water im treading..

It's nice. But one good mike beats two less good ones hands-down.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

I'm not a big fan of GC or Spam Ash, BUT it all comes down to the folks you
know, and who know you. I would always go to this store on 48th St. in
NYC. I bought my first & second guitar there,
a Framus Acc. and a Gretch Anniversary, you know that one by it's color,
which I still call, "mucous green". Anyway, the store was sold to Spam Ash,
and one of the guys I knew went to work at GC.
He sold me some small ticket items last week, for exactly the price I had in
my head, which happened to be his cost.
Can't beat that!
I did buy an MC-12-01 at GC when they first came out, and it's kinda grainy,
IMHO. I bought 2 of them, and wanted to return one.
They didn't have a store policy posted at that time,
but they told me it was against NJ state law to take back the mic.
This was a boldface lie! I asked them, if that's true,show me the law. They
took back the mic and refunded my money.
It was the last time I bought anything from them!

Tom




wrote in message
ups.com...
But it's ok to blow into the mic at the store (or buy the floor model)?

Aren't more diseases transmitted though hands?

"Sorry, no returns on guitars.....no trying them out either."
"No, we can't sell use guitars unless they've been boiled for ten
hours."

We love you, Guitar Center!

In article writes:

Quote the relevant regulations, please. I don't believe there's any such
thing.

Health department regulations don't mean anything. When the manager
says "no returns on microphones" they don't need no stinkin'
regulations other than those that their management has made.
Apparently it's a store thing. They're allowed to set their own
policies. After all, these days, if someone buys a microphone and gets
AIDS, they'll probably add the store that sold the microphone to the
list of sue-ees.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

"nickw24" wrote:

[...] i have always copied one track and added dely
and some pan to get that stereo sound...



Be careful doing that. You can get some really weird comb filtering
problems when you sum those tracks to mono. Check your mix in mono
before you commit to ANY artificial stereo effect.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 10:38:18 -0400, Sean Conolly wrote:

Actually the GC's in this area stopped carrying the 012's entirely, probably
because of all of the returns. They also implemented a "no returns" policy
on mics about this same time.

GC has always had a no return policy on mics due to US health code
regulations. Harmonicas and headphones fall under the same blanket. It
really just depends on how strictly that particular store enforces it,
although it should be pretty much the same across the board.

If you want to have some mics auditioned, my best advice is to not go in
during peak hours. Pick a day during the week that doesn't coincide with
lunch, dinner, after work rushes and for the love of God don't expect to
get it on the weekend when there's 50 people in the department. To further
secure some attention... call ahead and schedule an appointment with one
of the salespeople there.

A lot of people hate on GC in this NG, but once you've developed a good
relationship with one of their salespeople, you'll probably notice that
the quality of service will increase (and probably see your purchasing
costs drop too).

- dsb


--
"My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural
deficiency in moral fibre, and that I an therefore excused from saving
Universes." -- Ford Prefect

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 20:57:35 -0400, Hal Laurent wrote:

"DuchovnySexBomb" wrote in message
news
GC has always had a no return policy on mics due to US health code
regulations.

Quote the relevant regulations, please. I don't believe there's any such
thing.

I figured someone would ask this. As I stated in a different thread, I'm
neither a doctor or a health code expert, but from all that I have been
taught about hygiene and sanitation at the bare minimum it makes Really
Good Sense (tm). However, I'll look into it and if I run across it, I'll
post a direct link to the documentation.

All I ask for in return is that while I search, you please be so kind as
to quote for me the relevant regulations regarding the requirement to wear
undergarments when trying on bathing suits, or the regulation requiring
employees to wash their hands before returning from a bathroom to work.

Unless, of course, you don't believe there is any such thing.

- dsb


--
"My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural
deficiency in moral fibre, and that I an therefore excused from saving
Universes." -- Ford Prefect

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 22:23:17 -0400, Hal Laurent wrote:

I don't follow your logic here. Do you put your microphones in your mouth?
Or lick them? Where is the health hazard? And even if you do kinky things
with your microphones, how long are germs going to live on a metal
microphone grill?

Don't even get me started on how modern children get shielded from germs so
much that I don't know how they're supposed to build up antibodies...

You don't have to be deep-throating a microphone and simultaneously
tonguing its shaft and playing with the cable to come into close oral
contact with it. I'd venture to say that tonight on late night television
you will be exposed to musical acts who literally have their mouths on the
microphones and are not doing anything that could be considered remotely
abnormal or kinky.

I'm sure you realize by know that I am talking about performance mics, but
I'll reassert that point.

I'm also sure we can all remember back to elementary school when we
learned that germs like to grow in dark, damp places. Now, I've never
lived inside a microphone grill, but I can imagine that it is fairly dark
in there. I do know that germas and bacteria are small enough to pass
through that grill... even through the inner filter, which conveniently
traps moisture from breath and sweat. This sounds disturbingly like a
growth medium to me, but you can take your chances.

- dsb


--
"My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural
deficiency in moral fibre, and that I an therefore excused from saving
Universes." -- Ford Prefect

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 02:43:08 +0000, David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:


"DuchovnySexBomb" wrote in message news
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 10:38:18 -0400, Sean Conolly wrote:

Actually the GC's in this area stopped carrying the 012's entirely, probably
because of all of the returns. They also implemented a "no returns" policy
on mics about this same time.

GC has always had a no return policy on mics due to US health code
regulations. Harmonicas and headphones fall under the same blanket. It
really just depends on how strictly that particular store enforces it,
although it should be pretty much the same across the board.

This "policy" only came into play about 3 or 4 years ago.

I know for a fact that it has been in effect since at least 2000. I can't
vouch for anything before this though.

- dsb


--
"My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural
deficiency in moral fibre, and that I an therefore excused from saving
Universes." -- Ford Prefect

"DuchovnySexBomb" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 10:38:18 -0400, Sean Conolly wrote:

Actually the GC's in this area stopped carrying the 012's entirely,
probably
because of all of the returns. They also implemented a "no returns"
policy
on mics about this same time.

GC has always had a no return policy on mics due to US health code
regulations. Harmonicas and headphones fall under the same blanket. It
really just depends on how strictly that particular store enforces it,
although it should be pretty much the same across the board.

Pretty dumb rule for instrument mics. Though I guess somebody could have a
badly infected instrument....

8
\\
||
o

geoff

"DuchovnySexBomb" wrote in message

You don't have to be deep-throating a microphone and simultaneously
tonguing its shaft and playing with the cable to come into close oral
contact with it. I'd venture to say that tonight on late night television
you will be exposed to musical acts who literally have their mouths on the
microphones and are not doing anything that could be considered remotely
abnormal or kinky.

Or might have been splattered in a porn flick. Olways best to sniff a used
mic before laying down the $$$

geoff

Geoff Wood wrote:
Or might have been splattered in a porn flick. Olways best to sniff
a used
mic before laying down the $$$

I know a guy who is a fantastic Blues harp player. He also has
Hepatitis C, and would never presume to sing on someone else's
microphone. It is unfortunate that not all people are as conscientious
as he.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio / Fox News / M=AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

nickw24 wrote:
Remeber the days when you could pick up a MK012 for 99$ new at your
local GC.. i was floored when i saw that i couldnt find a matched
pair
for anything less than 345$ new... I have a budget of 200-225$ for
mic(s) for mainly steel string acoustic guitar. Does anyone know
where
to find a used matched pair of mk012's around that pricerange? or
possibly a good price for just one used... or does anyone have any
other recomandations for mic(s) on acoustic guitar around that
budget?

any response would be a great help.

This guy is selling his studio gear off and has a pair of MC012's,
he's asking $200.

http://www.sonrisen.com/gearforsale.htm

Will Miho

I don't think Hep C is passed orally, but he's doing the right thing.
Tom

"WillStG" wrote in message
ps.com...

Geoff Wood wrote:
Or might have been splattered in a porn flick. Olways best to sniff
a used
mic before laying down the $$$

I know a guy who is a fantastic Blues harp player. He also has
Hepatitis C, and would never presume to sing on someone else's
microphone. It is unfortunate that not all people are as conscientious
as he.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio / Fox News / M=AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits