A friend of mine has some stuff in an old program called vision that he
wants to use. He doesnt know anyone who has the program anymore. Anyone
have it? Can it still be used? Can I use (from what looks like a download
page) a copy with my old protools rig running OS 9.2? Any help would be
appreciated.

In article writes:

A friend of mine has some stuff in an old program called vision that he
wants to use. He doesnt know anyone who has the program anymore. Anyone
have it? Can it still be used? Can I use (from what looks like a download
page) a copy with my old protools rig running OS 9.2? Any help would be
appreciated.

While this one isn't too difficult, it's a good example of what I've
been harping about over in the Quantegy thread that drifted to
archiving. The people interested in using the "archived" material
haven't a clue as to how to untangle it.



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Was that supposed to be helpful?


"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
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In article
writes:

A friend of mine has some stuff in an old program called vision that he
wants to use. He doesnt know anyone who has the program anymore. Anyone
have it? Can it still be used? Can I use (from what looks like a
download
page) a copy with my old protools rig running OS 9.2? Any help would be
appreciated.

While this one isn't too difficult, it's a good example of what I've
been harping about over in the Quantegy thread that drifted to
archiving. The people interested in using the "archived" material
haven't a clue as to how to untangle it.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1105806456k@trad...
While this one isn't too difficult, it's a good example of what I've
been harping about over in the Quantegy thread that drifted to
archiving. The people interested in using the "archived" material
haven't a clue as to how to untangle it.

Yes they'd have much better luck building a 24 track in the garage, than
finding someone to actually help them on usenet eh? :-)

MrT.

Iain Fraser wrote:
A friend of mine has some stuff in an old program called vision that
he
wants to use. He doesnt know anyone who has the program anymore.
Anyone
have it? Can it still be used? Can I use (from what looks like a
download
page) a copy with my old protools rig running OS 9.2? Any help would
be
appreciated.

You can use the last couple of versions of Studio Vision with
Protools 3 hardware, both with DAE (multiple outs) and the Acadia audio
drivers (Native DSP). Studio Vision Pro supports TDM, Vision does
not. Some of the old Opcode guys did the users a solid and wrote
Acadia drivers optimized for system 9, you can find them at some of the
user group sites along with .pdfs of some of the "missing manuals" that
aren't there at the Opcode site for some reason. The last version
includes Rewire support but there are no VST Instruments, so if you
want that you have to use one of those VST instument shell programs
and Rewire them into Vision.

You can still download the copy protection-free versions of Studio
Vision/Vision at the Opcode website, but the site is only available for
download at night. You will need to get the support files from the
users sites, they came on the CD's but the Opcode Application downloads
are intended as end of life product support for registered users.
Here's my list of Opcode sites, the users sites kinda have tumbleweeds
blowing through them these days but all the info you need is there.

http://www.opcode.com/
(The apps SVP/Vision, manuals, OMS.)

http://www.fm-music.com/v/
("The Vision Infosite", links for OS9 Acacia drivers, Q's about
G4's/usb to serial/ATA drives/OMS/setups/lost manuals etc.)

http://www.davidkanemusic.com/opcode/vision.html
(Fonts/Drivers/keyboard layout files/SVP4.5.1&4.2.2/SVP2.5 for
Windows!/Galaxy Librarian/Vision Support files...)

http://lists.topica.com/lists/opcode-users/read
(users discussion group).

Good luck.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio / Fox News Channel / M-AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

Mr. T wrote:
"Mike Rivers" wrote
While this one isn't too difficult, it's a good example of what
I've
been harping about over in the Quantegy thread that drifted to
archiving. The people interested in using the "archived" material
haven't a clue as to how to untangle it.

Yes they'd have much better luck building a 24 track in the garage,
than
finding someone to actually help them on usenet eh? :-)

No, Mike just knows there are still guys here other than him, that
have for example, the Studio Vision Pro keyboard layout still sitting
as an option in the upper righthand corner of their Mac.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio / Fox News Channel / M-AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

Mr. T wrote:
"Mike Rivers" wrote
While this one isn't too difficult, it's a good example of what
I've
been harping about over in the Quantegy thread that drifted to
archiving. The people interested in using the "archived" material
haven't a clue as to how to untangle it.

Yes they'd have much better luck building a 24 track in the garage,
than
finding someone to actually help them on usenet eh? :-)

No, Mike just knows there are guys here other than him, that have
for example, the Studio Vision Pro keyboard layout still sitting as an
option in the upper righthand corner of their Mac.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio / Fox News Channel / M-AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

"WillStG" wrote in message
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Mr. T wrote:
"Mike Rivers" wrote
While this one isn't too difficult, it's a good example of what
been harping about over in the Quantegy thread that drifted to
archiving. The people interested in using the "archived" material
haven't a clue as to how to untangle it.

Yes they'd have much better luck building a 24 track in the garage,
than finding someone to actually help them on usenet eh? :-)

No, Mike just knows there are guys here other than him, that have
for example, the Studio Vision Pro keyboard layout still sitting as an
option in the upper righthand corner of their Mac.

I don't get what that has to do with tape archives?

MrT.

Mr. T wrote:
I don't get what that has to do with tape archives?

Iain's friend has songs in an "old" computer program format , the
very defunct Opcode's Vision, and he doesn't know what is needed to
actually play them back. I think Mike is saying that this is like some
of the trouble guys are having working with tape archives.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio / Fox News Channel / M-AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

In article writes:

Was that supposed to be helpful?

Not to this guy, but just another example of something else we were
talking about here.


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In article mrt@home writes:

I don't get what that has to do with tape archives?

It has everything to do with the principle of archiving. He has a
program that's presumably perfectly preserved in all its digital glory
and he doesn't know how to "play" it.



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I'm really Mike Rivers )
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lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article . com writes:

Iain's friend has songs in an "old" computer program format , the
very defunct Opcode's Vision, and he doesn't know what is needed to
actually play them back. I think Mike is saying that this is like some
of the trouble guys are having working with tape archives.

Close. People today know how to deal with tape archives. I was looking
into the future and predicting that people won't know how to deal with
old things stored digitally. How old is Vision? Maybe 10 years? And
already there's a question of how to use those files with contemporary
hardware and software. There's a pretty good chance today, still, that
someone can come up with a reasonable solution, perhaps even the
"archivist" solution of "Send it to me and I'll make you a copy that
you can use."

But let's see how this plays out, if he really gets any useful help.
The solution may (at this time) be very simple, or maybe not.

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I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article ,
"Iain Fraser" wrote:

A friend of mine has some stuff in an old program called vision that he
wants to use. He doesnt know anyone who has the program anymore. Anyone
have it? Can it still be used? Can I use (from what looks like a download
page) a copy with my old protools rig running OS 9.2? Any help would be
appreciated.




You're likely to run into problems as Vision requires OMS to manage the MIDI
stream. As I recall, they never developed drivers for USB MIDI interfaces,
since they still used serial ports fo MIDI. I do still have an older Mac 6200
that runs Vision fine using a serial-port MIDI interface and OS 8.6, but that's
about as high in the OS development that I know will work.

-Jay
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Jay Kadis wrote:
You're likely to run into problems as Vision requires OMS to manage
the MIDI
stream. As I recall, they never developed drivers for USB MIDI
interfaces,
since they still used serial ports fo MIDI. I do still have an older
Mac 6200
that runs Vision fine using a serial-port MIDI interface and OS 8.6,
but that's
about as high in the OS development that I know will work.

I use the Stealth Gee Three serial port adapter on my G4, it
replaces the modem port on a G4 and you can find them around for $25 or
less these days. Works fine with my Studio 4 interfacce and midi
controllers/synths, even in OSX (although in OSX you lose features like
timecode I/O and punch in jacks.)

There are other solutions as well that work if you check out the
Vision links I posted.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Staff Audio / Fox News / M-AES
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

In article ,
Jay Kadis wrote:

In article ,
"Iain Fraser" wrote:

A friend of mine has some stuff in an old program called vision that he
wants to use. He doesnt know anyone who has the program anymore. Anyone
have it? Can it still be used? Can I use (from what looks like a download
page) a copy with my old protools rig running OS 9.2? Any help would be
appreciated.




You're likely to run into problems as Vision requires OMS to manage the MIDI
stream. As I recall, they never developed drivers for USB MIDI interfaces,
since they still used serial ports fo MIDI. I do still have an older Mac
6200
that runs Vision fine using a serial-port MIDI interface and OS 8.6, but
that's
about as high in the OS development that I know will work.

-Jay

I know that the last version of OMS (2.3.8?) running on OS 9.1 or 9.2
WILL recognize USB midi interfaces. Example: Protools requires OMS, and
I've used USB Motu MidiTimepieces, and USB Midisports in that OS.

You may need drivers your particular hardware....

Jeff C.

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"Iain Fraser" wrote in message ...
A friend of mine has some stuff in an old program called vision that he
wants to use. He doesnt know anyone who has the program anymore. Anyone
have it? Can it still be used? Can I use (from what looks like a download
page) a copy with my old protools rig running OS 9.2? Any help would be
appreciated.


I have an original copy of Gerry Bassermann's "Looking Into Vision" by Opcode
Systems on VHS tape. It's a pretty thorough tutorial on getting started with Vision,
but I doubt it will help solve or even give clues to any compatibility or driver issues
that may come up. It's pretty old software, but it was nearly flawless for me on a
33 mghz Mac IIci which I just finally threw in the trash can when I moved my office
after Christmas. It was a breeze to learn and very sophisticated in it's day. I don't
really see why it wouldn't still be so today.

For some reason, I couldn't bear to throw away the video... even though I trashed
the Mac and passed on the software years ago. If you want the hour and a half
instructional video (or if any one would care to have the antique VHS in the original
sleeve from 1992) send me an e-mail with your address. FCFS...

If you don't have any luck, I can try calling the guy who took my software floppies
and see if he still has them. It was "Vision" that I had, not 'Studio-Vision'... although
StudioVision just might read his Vision sequences, and if the parts were properly
titled, new sounds (synths) could be substituted for the originals.

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