What's the best snare mic you've experienced? A Beyer M260? The Blue
8Ball? someone even told me that 414's work great..

Stubert!

Stubert wrote:
What's the best snare mic you've experienced? A Beyer M260? The Blue
8Ball? someone even told me that 414's work great..

The best snare mike I have ever experienced was a properly-positioned overhead.

For spotting snares, the question basically comes down to whether you want a
presence peak or not, whether you want the snare detailed or a little smeared,
and how much leakage you're willing to tolerate.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

I like a certain SM57 I have that can add some nice lower mids to the
overheads. But it's only mixed in about 20%, I basically agree with
Scott that the OHs are the real sound. Some people like the Beyer M201
dynamic on snare, which is brighter than the Shure.

On all those old Al Green records they miked the snare with RCA DX77
ribbon mics, sounded pretty fat. I think they used ribbon mics for
the overheads too.

Al

On 4 Jan 2005 15:26:22 -0800, "Stubert" wrote:

What's the best snare mic you've experienced? A Beyer M260? The Blue
8Ball? someone even told me that 414's work great..

Stubert!

playon wrote:

I basically agree with
Scott that the OHs are the real sound. Some people like the Beyer M201
dynamic on snare, which is brighter than the Shure.

What they said, only I find the M201 less bright than the SM-57. Better HF response but not peakey.

Stubert wrote:
What's the best snare mic you've experienced? A Beyer M260? The Blue
8Ball? someone even told me that 414's work great..

Stubert!

Shure had 2 variations on the sm57 that _Do Not_ have the
transformer: sm77 and pe65. I find these just enough brighter
than the 57 to help get a snappier snare when that's what I
want. But 'best' only in the sense that my pe65 is a starting
point for the spot mic. I like most of the snare from the OH's
and use the spot to drive effects.
Others: Beyer m201, Senn md431.

rd

Kurt Albershardt wrote:
playon wrote:

I basically agree with
Scott that the OHs are the real sound. Some people like the Beyer M201
dynamic on snare, which is brighter than the Shure.

What they said, only I find the M201 less bright than the SM-57. Better HF response but not peakey.

I am a big fan of the EV N/D 408 and 468. No presence peak at all, very
very low leakage, and cheap. The Sennheiser 441 is probably the classic
snare mike, but it's a lot higher profile and therefore harder to place
in closely.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

If the snare sounds good in the room and the drummer knows how to hit
it, you can take a $79 SM57 and make it sound like gold. As everyone's
already said, the OH mics are where you get the full snare sound. The
close mics just get more attack....usually just punched up a bit to
fill in the mix with the OH mics.
On OH mics, I'm still a fan of an old pair of AKG451 mics pretty much
in an x/y over the drummers head. That and a pair of room mics
squashed and there you go.

later,
m

That whole OH deal is very drummer dependant. A lot of drummers hit the
hihat so hard that it's hard to get the full potential of the overheads but
if the drummer is in perfect balance with the mood of the song then any of
the snare mics mentioned along with the overheads will do.

--
Henrik Krogh
skrev i en meddelelse
oups.com...
If the snare sounds good in the room and the drummer knows how to hit
it, you can take a $79 SM57 and make it sound like gold. As everyone's
already said, the OH mics are where you get the full snare sound. The
close mics just get more attack....usually just punched up a bit to
fill in the mix with the OH mics.
On OH mics, I'm still a fan of an old pair of AKG451 mics pretty much
in an x/y over the drummers head. That and a pair of room mics
squashed and there you go.

later,
m

On 5 Jan 2005 09:18:30 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Kurt Albershardt wrote:
playon wrote:

I basically agree with
Scott that the OHs are the real sound. Some people like the Beyer M201
dynamic on snare, which is brighter than the Shure.

What they said, only I find the M201 less bright than the SM-57. Better HF response but not peakey.

I am a big fan of the EV N/D 408 and 468.

Is the 468 out of production? I can't find much info on it.

Al

playon wrote:
On 5 Jan 2005 09:18:30 -0500, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Kurt Albershardt wrote:
playon wrote:

I basically agree with
Scott that the OHs are the real sound. Some people like the Beyer M201
dynamic on snare, which is brighter than the Shure.

What they said, only I find the M201 less bright than the SM-57. Better HF response but not peakey.

I am a big fan of the EV N/D 408 and 468.

Is the 468 out of production? I can't find much info on it.

Not that I know of, at least my local MI shop carries it. The 408 is out
of production, but the 468 that replaces it really sounds the same to me.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

What's the best snare mic you've experienced? BRBR

I'm still using the AKG C61 on snare & still liking it.

Scott Fraser

Scott Dorsey wrote:
Kurt Albershardt wrote:
playon wrote:

I basically agree with
Scott that the OHs are the real sound. Some people like the Beyer
M201 dynamic on snare, which is brighter than the Shure.

What they said, only I find the M201 less bright than the SM-57.
Better HF response but not peakey.

I am a big fan of the EV N/D 408 and 468. No presence peak at all,
very very low leakage, and cheap. The Sennheiser 441 is probably the
classic snare mike, but it's a lot higher profile and therefore
harder to place in closely.

....and a lot more expensive when it takes a couple of drumstick hits.

jak
--scott

playon wrote:

Is the 468 out of production? I can't find much info on it.

As of last month, they were on the EV website & in stock at Full Compass.

agent86 wrote:
playon wrote:


Is the 468 out of production? I can't find much info on it.


As of last month, they were on the EV website & in stock at Full Compass.


You can find them all over the web.

As with just about any mic/recording technique...you got good talent
and you can record them with just about anything and it sound
wonderful.
later,
m

Thanks, I think I had the two mics mixed up as to which was still
available.

Al

On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 18:20:15 -0500, agent86
wrote:

playon wrote:

Is the 468 out of production? I can't find much info on it.

As of last month, they were on the EV website & in stock at Full Compass.

When did everyone stop using the salt shaker?

In article ,
Kevin Kelly wrote:
When did everyone stop using the salt shaker?

I am sorry, I never understood the popularity of those things.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Kevin Kelly wrote:

When did everyone stop using the salt shaker?

Right after the Surgeon General let loose the stats on that stuff.

--
ha

A lot of people poo-poo the under-the-snare-flipped-phase approach, but
I usually find myself using more of that than the top mic. (Both
57's). As Scott and others mentioned, the close mics should only be
about 20% of the snare sound.
Personally, my favorite snare sound is usually what the Tom mics are
picking up. Much less hi-hat bleed. You have to be good with gates
though, especially the "range" control, to make this work.
It seems that proper gating is getting to be a lost art. Great tools
when used subtley. Apparently the heavy handed Phil Collins/Linndrum
approach must have ruined the reputation of gating forever.
Ciao, Rick Novak.