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Have Yourself A Merry Christmas by the Pretenders. I don't know when this
was released but I just noticed it this year on our local station that's playing holiday music 24/7 through Christmas. Good god, this chick couldn't hit a pitch with a truck, sounds like it was recorded in a karaoke bar. It's so bad it's hilarious. |
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Thank God we've put Christmas Music to bed for another year.
What is the absolute worst taste to me are the Advertisers who take religious Christmas songs ..like Silent Night, and change the words to try to sell their ****. Proving all it takes to be an Advertising Exec. in the USA is an addiction to a crack pipe, or perhaps their mother's crack. Dean |
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![]() Doc wrote: Have Yourself A Merry Christmas by the Pretenders. I don't know when this was released but I just noticed it this year on our local station that's playing holiday music 24/7 through Christmas. Good god, this chick couldn't hit a pitch with a truck, sounds like it was recorded in a karaoke bar. It's so bad it's hilarious. I like it. The first time I ever heard it was on the charity album "A Very Special Christmas" in 1988 or so. I heard it on XM earlier today. |
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On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:34:04 GMT, "Doc"
wrote: Have Yourself A Merry Christmas by the Pretenders. I don't know when this was released but I just noticed it this year on our local station that's playing holiday music 24/7 through Christmas. Good god, this chick couldn't hit a pitch with a truck, sounds like it was recorded in a karaoke bar. It's so bad it's hilarious. How dare you post this right after posting your own mp3! ![]() I enjoyed hearing a good and never-before-heard rendition of a well-worn tune. There's this song I heard too many times this year, with a female voice singing "hurry down the chimmney tonight" [trying not to speculate on the meaning], but it sounds like the same singer and era as "I want a hippopotamus for Christmas" which I always thought was cute and amusing, but didn't hear this year. On to something else, earlier this week I saw a very talented and experienced singer (exact place, date and names intentionally obscured to protect the innocent) I had heard before, singing a lovely and traditional Christmas song, but the horror was that she forgot a couple of the lines. I felt so bad for her... As far as your original post, I hear enough popular renditions of Christmas songs that if I don't immediately like something, I turn the station or turn it off, so if I ever heard the Pretenders singing that, I probably wouldn't remember. OTOH, there's Bob Rivers' Twisted Christmas... ----- http://mindspring.com/~benbradley |
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![]() Doc wrote: Have Yourself A Merry Christmas by the Pretenders. I don't know when this was released but I just noticed it this year on our local station that's playing holiday music 24/7 through Christmas. Good god, this chick couldn't hit a pitch with a truck, sounds like it was recorded in a karaoke bar. It's so bad it's hilarious. She was on some special singing with the Black Boys of Alabama I think it was yesterday. Man she was really ruining that song. I mean, she did some good tunes back when, but you gotta know what you can't do. Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com |
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Ben Bradley wrote:
As far as your original post, I hear enough popular renditions of Christmas songs that if I don't immediately like something, I turn the station or turn it off, so if I ever heard the Pretenders singing that, I probably wouldn't remember. Nothing wrong with it. Chrissie Hynde has a very unique voice which some find appealing and I am sure some don't. Doesn't mean she can't hold a tune. At least, unlike most of the new crop of "singers", she sings it, no autotune or "guide tracks". |
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Ben Bradley: There's this song I heard too many times this year, with a
female voice singing "hurry down the chimmney tonight" [trying not to speculate on the meaning], This song is called "Santa Baby" and the most notorious version is by the notorious Eartha Kitt (the Cat Woman from the Batman series). I used to like the song until I was at a party and the daughter of a freind of mine, the most despicable Princess I've ever known, played the song over and over and over again proclaiming it to be her favorite Xmas song. If you know all the words to the song, you will know why I now cringe when I hear it! |
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On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 02:11:49 GMT, Ben Bradley
wrote: OTOH, there's Bob Rivers' Twisted Christmas... snip THE best roasting Tchiakovski ever had! "Buttcracker Suite": 'See the big bear man go chinka chink...chinka chink...chinka chink...working on the sink!' bending way down lowwwww.... 'See the big tool belt go slippy slip...slippy slip...slippy slip...sliding down his hip..." say it isn't soooooo.... 'See the real cleavage go peekaboo...peekaboo...peekaboo...cheeky sneaking through...' 'See the plumber...whatta bummer...call another...hire someone else!' |
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On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:34:04 GMT, "Doc"
wrote: Have Yourself A Merry Christmas by the Pretenders. snip Chrissie the Hynie? I don't know when this was released but I just noticed it this year on our local station that's playing holiday music 24/7 through Christmas. Good god, this chick couldn't hit a pitch with a truck, sounds like it was recorded in a karaoke bar. It's so bad it's hilarious. snip I've hated the Portenders ever since Flush Limpdick said he liked them. "Hey...ho....way NOT to go....O--****in' HI---O!" dB |
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![]() "Doc" wrote in message nk.net... Have Yourself A Merry Christmas by the Pretenders. I don't know when this was released but I just noticed it this year on our local station that's playing holiday music 24/7 through Christmas. Good god, this chick couldn't hit a pitch with a truck, sounds like it was recorded in a karaoke bar. It's so bad it's hilarious. I keep watching this thread and so far I've been pleased that the sort of death metal version of Jingle Bells my band mate Tim McCarthy put together ( that I listed in another thread ) hasn't been mentioned yet. ;-) John L Rice |
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![]() "Jim Kollens" wrote in message ... I used to like the song until I was at a party and the daughter of a freind of mine, the most despicable Princess I've ever known, played the song over and over and over again proclaiming it to be her favorite Xmas song. If you know all the words to the song, you will know why I now cringe when I hear it! This song is the gold-diggers anthem, ain't it? I have some video of Epcot's American Vybe vocal group doing it, and the girl who sings it is built like a Barbie Doll. She pulls a guy who's a Santa look-alike out of the audience and puts a santa hat on him and sings to him. I actually think they scoured the crowd outside of the American Adventure Rotunda where they performed back then ahead of time to "recruit" a Santa plant for each set. |
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On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:34:04 GMT, "Doc"
wrote: Have Yourself A Merry Christmas by the Pretenders. I don't know when this was released but I just noticed it this year on our local station that's playing holiday music 24/7 through Christmas. Good god, this chick couldn't hit a pitch with a truck, sounds like it was recorded in a karaoke bar. It's so bad it's hilarious. She couldn't carry a tune if it was in a basket. However, the worst holiday song has to be: That miserable kid that sings " There's Something in the Chimney" Bob Rivers I think? I hate that Christmas Shoes song as well (ok it makes me tear up!!). I like the religious songs but also like the Adam Sander song, (Goldie Hawn is a fine looking Jew!!!, well at least she was).... I have to wonder if Billy Gilmann is porking Charlotte Church.....? Maybe that's why his xmas's are warm -n- fuzzy? Nobody can sing White Xmas like Bing. Nobody can sing The Xmas Song (Chestnuts) like Nat. (Karen Carpenter close second) Nobody can sing Frosty the Snowman like Durantee. Karen Carpenter sings like a bird, she needed better material and more food. Amy Grant is sweet. Andre Kostolonetz (sp?) is the Sleigh Ride king.... Why do James Taylor's songs all sound the same? Brian Setzer plays in weird keys, but I like his stuff!!! Whoever told Gloria Estefan she could sing? Great band though! Barbara Streisand? I keep hearing "Sam ya made the pants too long"!!! Barry Manilow? That "Skate on a River Song" sounds just like another song he wrote right down to the chord changes....Yuk.... I do like "Another New Years Eve" though, the live version circa 1977.... Manhattan Transfer? Great vocals....Stay away from xmas though! The production on their Xmas CD is so bad I have to dive for the treble control so my teeth stay in my mouth. The engineer must have spent 20 years listening to NS-10's and blew his hearing out. Awful.... Screw my awful spelling! Time for another beer...................... |
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![]() "Doc" wrote in message nk.net... Have Yourself A Merry Christmas by the Pretenders. I don't know when this was released but I just noticed it this year on our local station that's playing holiday music 24/7 through Christmas. Good god, this chick couldn't hit a pitch with a truck, sounds like it was recorded in a karaoke bar. It's so bad it's hilarious. Welllll.... yea, her pitch is not great. I don't care. I really enjoy the song. I am happy it was recorded pre autotune where some idiot would have "fixed" everything and turned it into Celene Dion. That said, I'm not really a fan of her... I don't like all that many of her tunes. I think that song is one of her best moments. |
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![]() "Robin Chandler" wrote in message ... Nobody can sing White Xmas like Bing. Thank god. Crosby and Sinatra were two of the most over-rated singers of all time and that recording deserves none of the popularity it's enjoyed. Sinatra's chops were mediocre at best and folded completely by 1955. He croaked his way through the rest of his career. I've *never* liked Crosby's voice -distinctive timbre but not much style or musicality. He either scooped up to notes till he finally stumbled into the pitch center or hammered them on the head with absolutely no finesse - nor did I care for his persona. I always thought he came across as cold and stiff on his Christmas specials. Didn't surprise me a bit to find out he was an abusive asshole to his family. Nobody can sing The Xmas Song (Chestnuts) like Nat. (Karen Carpenter close second) Let's not forget Mel Torme', who co-wrote the song. Barry Manilow? Saw an odd interview with him by Tom Snyder about 10 years ago. Manilow had a weird reaction when Snyder said "Ya know who I think was one of the greatest piano players of all time?...(pause) Liberace!" To which Manilow replied stiffly and unenthusiastically "really..." with this deer in the headlights look. I wondered what that was all about. A friend who had seen it also thought Manilow's reaction was strange. Maybe he and "Lee" had a thing once upon a time and he was wondering if Snyder was going to out him on national T.V.? Dunno. |
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Robin Chandler wrote:
Karen Carpenter sings like a bird, she needed better material and more food. Amen. -- ha |
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Doc wrote:
Thank god. Crosby and Sinatra were two of the most over-rated singers of all Seeing as you are on such a critic's rampage, I hope you won't mind me saying your karaoke horn blowin' ain't exactly to die for. I'll do you a favor and abstain from commenting on the vocal. |
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![]() "Joe Sensor" wrote in message ... Doc wrote: Thank god. Crosby and Sinatra were two of the most over-rated singers of all Seeing as you are on such a critic's rampage, I hope you won't mind me saying your karaoke horn blowin' ain't exactly to die for. I'll do you a favor and abstain from commenting on the vocal. Nope, don't mind a bit. What my hobbyist website sounds like doesn't alter that Crosby and Sinatra were overrated hacks with less than favorable tendencies as human beings. :-) |
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Crosby and Sinatra were two of the most over-rated singers of all
time and that recording deserves none of the popularity it's enjoyed. Sinatra's chops were mediocre at best and folded completely by 1955. Nobody ever had to _tell_ me what a great singer Frank Sinatra was. He reached his peak in the '50s and early '60s, after which he went into an obvious decline, his voice losing much of its beauty and control. No one -- NO ONE -- has ever interpreted popular song as well as Sinatra. Next you'll be telling us Fred Astaire was an over-rated dancer. PS: Regardless of what you think of Bing Crosby, he had a profound influence on the popular songs were sung. |
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Doc wrote:
Nope, don't mind a bit. What my hobbyist website sounds like doesn't alter that Crosby and Sinatra were overrated hacks with less than favorable tendencies as human beings. Easy kinda **** to say, while I wonder if you could tie their singin' shoes even if they offered Velcro laces. When you can hear Sinatra's control of phrasing you will start to have functional ears. -- ha |
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Mike Rivers wrote:
slinky_silkworm writes: Nobody can sing White Xmas like Bing. Ernest Tubb (who recorded it before Bing) Whatever Ernest sang, nobody could sing it like him. g -- ha |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1104113841k@trad...
In article writes: Nobody can sing White Xmas like Bing. Ernest Tubb (who recorded it before Bing) I thought Irving Berlin wrote "White Christmas" for the movie "Holiday Inn". Are you saying that Ernest Tubb recorded it before the movie came out? |
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![]() "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... .. No one -- NO ONE -- has ever interpreted popular song as well as Sinatra. Well, that must be it. Now we all know that Sinatra was the pinnacle, the end-all, be-all of all history when it comes to popular song. Can you say misguided hyperbole boys and girls? His fellow Rat-Packer Sammy Davis had more singing talent in his glass eye than Sinatra ever dreamed of. No doubt you're going to come back with some quote from Sammy about how "Sinatra taught me everything I know" or some similar politically motivated statement he might have made, that didn't actually happen to be true. Next you'll be telling us Fred Astaire was an over-rated dancer. Dunno about that but I think he was overrated as a singer. Sorry, I've never gotten excited about Sinatra, even in his so-called prime. Anything after about the mid 50's I find unlistenable. He was the most slickly packaged singer of his era but far from the most talented. Ray Eberle, Ed Ames, Dick Haymes, Dino, Billy Eckstine, Jack Jones, Sammy Davis, Vaughn Monroe, the young Tony Bennett before his pipes turned to leather, among others were all far better singers. As is always the case, I have no doubt there were legions of unheralded coulda-beens that never garnered great fame who were also better. Sinatra had at best a passable timbre without much power when he was very young and when that was gone, he had nothing left but mob connections, good marketing, hype and excellent bands full of musicians he was mostly qualified to serve coffee to, to keep his name alive. Well, let me modify that. I do think he had talent as an actor. I enjoy him far more in movies than as a singer. |
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No one -- NO ONE -- has ever interpreted popular song as well as Sinatra.
Well, that must be it. Now we all know that Sinatra was the pinnacle, the end-all, be-all of all history when it comes to popular song. Can you say misguided hyperbole boys and girls? My opinion is based simply on listening to Sinatra. No one else -- except perhaps Ella Fitzgerald -- has ever gotten "inside" a lyric the way he did. What can I say if you don't hear this? It should be "obvious" to anyone. (Shouldn't it?) Next you'll be telling us Fred Astaire was an over-rated dancer. Dunno about that, but I think he was overrated as a singer. Not by the people who wrote his songs. Despite his having an untrained and slightly "croaky" voice, they loved the way he delivered them. Sorry, I've never gotten excited about Sinatra, even in his so-called prime. Anything after about the mid 50's I find unlistenable. He was the most slickly packaged singer of his era but far from the most talented. Ray Eberle, Ed Ames, Dick Haymes, Dino, Billy Eckstine, Jack Jones, Sammy Davis, Vaughn Monroe, the young Tony Bennett before his pipes turned to leather, Vaughn Monroe? Robert Goulet's godfather? "Watch as I drop this RCA radio in its shatterproof case from the top of this ladder..." among others were all far better singers. As is always the case, I have no doubt there were legions of unheralded coulda-beens that never garnered great fame who were also better. Sinatra had at best a passable timbre without much power when he was very young and when that was gone, he had nothing left but mob connections, good marketing, hype and excellent bands full of musicians he was mostly qualified to serve coffee to, to keep his name alive. I think your problem is that you don't like Sinatra as a person, and I can't blame you for that. Well, let me modify that. I do think he had talent as an actor. I enjoy him far more in movies than as a singer. No argument. At his best he was a highly convincing actor. |
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"Mike Rivers" wrote in message news:znr1104170791k@trad...
In article writes: I thought Irving Berlin wrote "White Christmas" for the movie "Holiday Inn". Are you saying that Ernest Tubb recorded it before the movie came out? I don't know. The only reason why I believe that Ernest Tubb recorded it before Bing Crosby is because a well known country music historian said that (and I didn't even read it on the Internet). Possibly what he meant was that, movie aside, Tubb's recording hit the record stores (and quite possibly the charts) before Crosby's. Back in those days, they didn't release movie sound track recordings before, or concurrent with the movies. But I guess you don't really care, you just wanted to show what you know. Nothing wrong with that. No, actually I was just curious. And I guess I was counting the movie as a recording, but I see your point if Crosby waited a while before recording it on a phonograph record. I think I remember reading that they never expected that song to be the big hit of the movie. |
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![]() "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... Dunno about that, but I think he was overrated as a singer. Not by the people who wrote his songs. Despite his having an untrained and slightly "croaky" voice, they loved the way he delivered them. The cynic in me strongly suspects their enthusiasm was largely due to the fact that he was huge star and whatever he sang got tremendous publicity. Vaughn Monroe? Robert Goulet's godfather? Thanks for reminding me of another singer I should have put on the list. Yeah, Goulet recorded a lot of schlock and I've heard could be a horse's ass, but he had a formidable vocal instrument. "If Ever I Would Leave You" was a gem. Haven't heard him in a long time, don't know what kind of shape his pipes are in these days. I think your problem is that you don't like Sinatra as a person, and I can't blame you for that. Well, honestly I just don't think much of his voice. I'd say "he was an asshole but he could sing" if I believed that. I could listen to Sammy Davis, Goulet or Ed Ames all day. You'd have to pay me to listen to Sinatra for any length of time. Well, I might tolerate him to hear those fantastic Nelson Riddle arrangements. Btw, I've always heard that Sinatra's career stalled after parting ways with Riddle and picked up again when he started using him again. No argument. At his best he was a highly convincing actor. Recently saw a Sinatra movie that I'd never heard of before - "Kings Go Forth" I think it was from '58. Sinatra, Tony Curtis, Natalie Wood. Interesting movie that apparently never got much notice despite the big names. The subject matter of interracial marriage I'm sure was highly controversial at the time. Also featured a cameo by trumpet great Pete Candoli who also provided the playing to Tony Curtis' faking. |
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I think the highlight of that type of singing, is the Nelson Riddle albums,
if Sinatra sounded like a frog, they would still be great! Fred Astaire was not a singer, and he could deliver a song! I love Ella for her pitch, but not as much for her delivery, and then there's Billy Holiday. Oh yeah, I forgot, no punch-ins allowed! And then there's Rod Stewart..........lol. Tom "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... No one -- NO ONE -- has ever interpreted popular song as well as Sinatra. Well, that must be it. Now we all know that Sinatra was the pinnacle, the end-all, be-all of all history when it comes to popular song. Can you say misguided hyperbole boys and girls? My opinion is based simply on listening to Sinatra. No one else -- except perhaps Ella Fitzgerald -- has ever gotten "inside" a lyric the way he did. What can I say if you don't hear this? It should be "obvious" to anyone. (Shouldn't it?) Next you'll be telling us Fred Astaire was an over-rated dancer. Dunno about that, but I think he was overrated as a singer. Not by the people who wrote his songs. Despite his having an untrained and slightly "croaky" voice, they loved the way he delivered them. Sorry, I've never gotten excited about Sinatra, even in his so-called prime. Anything after about the mid 50's I find unlistenable. He was the most slickly packaged singer of his era but far from the most talented. Ray Eberle, Ed Ames, Dick Haymes, Dino, Billy Eckstine, Jack Jones, Sammy Davis, Vaughn Monroe, the young Tony Bennett before his pipes turned to leather, Vaughn Monroe? Robert Goulet's godfather? "Watch as I drop this RCA radio in its shatterproof case from the top of this ladder..." among others were all far better singers. As is always the case, I have no doubt there were legions of unheralded coulda-beens that never garnered great fame who were also better. Sinatra had at best a passable timbre without much power when he was very young and when that was gone, he had nothing left but mob connections, good marketing, hype and excellent bands full of musicians he was mostly qualified to serve coffee to, to keep his name alive. I think your problem is that you don't like Sinatra as a person, and I can't blame you for that. Well, let me modify that. I do think he had talent as an actor. I enjoy him far more in movies than as a singer. No argument. At his best he was a highly convincing actor. |
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Doc: (about Fred Astaire) Dunno about that, but I think he was overrated
as a singer. Not by the people who wrote his songs. Despite his having an untrained and slightly "croaky" voice, they loved the way he delivered them. The cynic in me strongly suspects their enthusiasm was largely due to the For whatever reason, there were more songs that became standards written for Fred Astaire than for any other singer in the 20th century. And Mr. Astaire remains popular to this day with many CD compilations of his performances. I like him immensely; you certainly are not required to. It's somewhat absurd to argue about likes and dislikes. |
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![]() "Jim Kollens" wrote in message ... It's somewhat absurd to argue about likes and dislikes. Perhaps, but Siskel & Ebert/Ebert & Roper would be out of work if everyone subscribed to that. ;-) I take it you agree with the quote "Arguing on the internet is like competing in Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded..." ..snicker |
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![]() "Tommy B" wrote in message .net... And then there's Rod Stewart..........lol. Okay, there's someone I prefer Sinatra to. Isn't there some law against doing what Stewart did to the standards? |
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Doc wrote:
Okay, there's someone I prefer Sinatra to. Isn't there some law against doing what Stewart did to the standards? Nah. As long as they be payin', he be singin'. |
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![]() "DeserTBoB" wrote in message ... On 27 Dec 2004 08:02:43 -0500, (Mike Rivers) wrote: In article writes: Nobody can sing White Xmas like Bing. Ernest Tubb (who recorded it before Bing) snip bull**** alarm going off He never recorded "White Christmas." He recorded "BLUE Christmas in 1946," which Elvis covered in 1957. "White Christmas" was written by Berlin in 1940 for "Holiday Inn." He recorded both, in 1949, and released them as a double-plug single on Decca. See: http://www.countryworks.com/artist_full.asp?KEY=TUBB Peace, Paul |
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Doc: I take it you agree with the quote "Arguing on the internet is like
competing in Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded..." I've learned that the hard way, as people with memories in this group can attest. |
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Doc wrote:
Yeah, Goulet recorded a lot of schlock and I've heard could be a horse's ass, but he had a formidable vocal instrument. "If Ever I Would Leave You" was a gem. Haven't heard him in a long time, don't know what kind of shape his pipes are in these days. He could not swing his way into a wet paper shopping bag. You seem oblivious to the implications of phrasing. -- ha |
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Our Unabashed Dictionary defines "Fanny: in the U.S. to be the hindmost part. In England, however, it's the part most Hynde." |
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