hey all, i'm looking for a good tool to record on location. i need
only one (stereo) input, and i wanna have the quality of digital sound
of 44.1 khz, 16 bit or more...
also it would be cool if i can connect condensator mics, so phantom
power would be cool...
any advice?

Bert Aerts wrote:

hey all, i'm looking for a good tool to record on location. i need
only one (stereo) input, and i wanna have the quality of digital sound
of 44.1 khz, 16 bit or more...
also it would be cool if i can connect condensator mics, so phantom
power would be cool...

Haven't used it, but Marantz PMD670 is one to consider:

http://www.d-mpro.com/users/folder.a...9&SubCatID=180

It has phantom power, it's stereo, and it records to CompactFlash.

Also haven't used these, but you could consider the Edirol R-1 or R-4:

http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html
http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r4.html

I don't think the R-1 has phantom power or standard XLR mic inputs.
A web search indicates the R-4 is new and isn't shipping yet. I think
the same thing goes for the R-1.

- Logan

Bert Aerts wrote:

hey all, i'm looking for a good tool to record on location. i need
only one (stereo) input, and i wanna have the quality of digital sound
of 44.1 khz, 16 bit or more...
also it would be cool if i can connect condensator mics, so phantom
power would be cool...

Haven't used it, but Marantz PMD670 is one to consider:

http://www.d-mpro.com/users/folder.a...9&SubCatID=180

It has phantom power, it's stereo, and it records to CompactFlash.

Also haven't used these, but you could consider the Edirol R-1 or R-4:

http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r1.html
http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r4.html

I don't think the R-1 has phantom power or standard XLR mic inputs.
A web search indicates the R-4 is new and isn't shipping yet. I think
the same thing goes for the R-1.

- Logan

Bert Aerts wrote:
hey all, i'm looking for a good tool to record on location. i need
only one (stereo) input, and i wanna have the quality of digital sound
of 44.1 khz, 16 bit or more...
also it would be cool if i can connect condensator mics, so phantom
power would be cool...
any advice?

What's your budget?
The Edirol looks nice... the Deva is popular. A used HHb DAT deck is nice
too.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Bert Aerts wrote:
hey all, i'm looking for a good tool to record on location. i need
only one (stereo) input, and i wanna have the quality of digital sound
of 44.1 khz, 16 bit or more...
also it would be cool if i can connect condensator mics, so phantom
power would be cool...
any advice?

What's your budget?
The Edirol looks nice... the Deva is popular. A used HHb DAT deck is nice
too.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article writes:

hey all, i'm looking for a good tool to record on location. i need
only one (stereo) input, and i wanna have the quality of digital sound
of 44.1 khz, 16 bit or more...
also it would be cool if i can connect condensator mics, so phantom
power would be cool...

How much money/time/space do you have? If you're dreaming of and "I
only need . . . " price, dream on. This product category is becoming
split in two directions - on the low end, toys, and on the high end,
products that are targeted to the film sound market (though there's a
range of low to high there).

Marantz and Fostex both make recorders that use a flash memory card
(the Fostex can take a micro drive but I don't recall the Marantz
makes that claim), Sound Devices has a two-channel hard disk recorder,
and Edirol has recently come up with a couple of attractive units, one
in the "advanced toy" category, one in the "low high end" category,
with four channels.

But the world is still waiting for the replacement for the
professional grade portable DAT recorder.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

hey all, i'm looking for a good tool to record on location. i need
only one (stereo) input, and i wanna have the quality of digital sound
of 44.1 khz, 16 bit or more...
also it would be cool if i can connect condensator mics, so phantom
power would be cool...

How much money/time/space do you have? If you're dreaming of and "I
only need . . . " price, dream on. This product category is becoming
split in two directions - on the low end, toys, and on the high end,
products that are targeted to the film sound market (though there's a
range of low to high there).

Marantz and Fostex both make recorders that use a flash memory card
(the Fostex can take a micro drive but I don't recall the Marantz
makes that claim), Sound Devices has a two-channel hard disk recorder,
and Edirol has recently come up with a couple of attractive units, one
in the "advanced toy" category, one in the "low high end" category,
with four channels.

But the world is still waiting for the replacement for the
professional grade portable DAT recorder.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

Well, I like my Maranta PMD670. Might be more than you need
though. It gots inputskis bote dem fur de condensator
microphonage (and dat phantometer power), and fur a lign,
too.

With a greatolbigabite microdrivenator, ya gets yerself a
greatolbunchaminutes record time fer outten dem location
boonies.

Worth a look. Shop right and get it for $700, plus a bill
for a CF or microdrive.



TM


Bert Aerts wrote:

hey all, i'm looking for a good tool to record on location. i need
only one (stereo) input, and i wanna have the quality of digital sound
of 44.1 khz, 16 bit or more...
also it would be cool if i can connect condensator mics, so phantom
power would be cool...
any advice?

Well, I like my Maranta PMD670. Might be more than you need
though. It gots inputskis bote dem fur de condensator
microphonage (and dat phantometer power), and fur a lign,
too.

With a greatolbigabite microdrivenator, ya gets yerself a
greatolbunchaminutes record time fer outten dem location
boonies.

Worth a look. Shop right and get it for $700, plus a bill
for a CF or microdrive.



TM


Bert Aerts wrote:

hey all, i'm looking for a good tool to record on location. i need
only one (stereo) input, and i wanna have the quality of digital sound
of 44.1 khz, 16 bit or more...
also it would be cool if i can connect condensator mics, so phantom
power would be cool...
any advice?

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1100381370k@trad...

But the world is still waiting for the replacement for the
professional grade portable DAT recorder.

I think ,you just made my night. I pick up a second hand tascam DA -P1 with
Sony stereo Mic ( I don't use that too much) for $800.00, last year and
it's been my best friend at the little concerts we do . I thought maybe I
was going backwards in buying it .But the tascam dat works well with the
pair of mic's I use.

Peace,
Ed Bridge
Brooklyn N.Y.
http://www.bridgeclassicalguitars.com/

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1100381370k@trad...

But the world is still waiting for the replacement for the
professional grade portable DAT recorder.

I think ,you just made my night. I pick up a second hand tascam DA -P1 with
Sony stereo Mic ( I don't use that too much) for $800.00, last year and
it's been my best friend at the little concerts we do . I thought maybe I
was going backwards in buying it .But the tascam dat works well with the
pair of mic's I use.

Peace,
Ed Bridge
Brooklyn N.Y.
http://www.bridgeclassicalguitars.com/

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
Bert Aerts wrote:
hey all, i'm looking for a good tool to record on location. i need
only one (stereo) input, and i wanna have the quality of digital sound
of 44.1 khz, 16 bit or more...
also it would be cool if i can connect condensator mics, so phantom
power would be cool...
any advice?

What's your budget?
The Edirol looks nice... the Deva is popular. A used HHb DAT deck is nice
too.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

......and I just happen to have a HHb PortaDat for sale with a bunch of
extras. Contact me offlist if you're interested.

dave
davemor at knology dot net

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message
...
Bert Aerts wrote:
hey all, i'm looking for a good tool to record on location. i need
only one (stereo) input, and i wanna have the quality of digital sound
of 44.1 khz, 16 bit or more...
also it would be cool if i can connect condensator mics, so phantom
power would be cool...
any advice?

What's your budget?
The Edirol looks nice... the Deva is popular. A used HHb DAT deck is nice
too.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

......and I just happen to have a HHb PortaDat for sale with a bunch of
extras. Contact me offlist if you're interested.

dave
davemor at knology dot net

i searched for these products, and they all look fine too me. price is
a little bit too much, maybe i should look for a cheaper/2nd hand
solution...

thanx for the advice!

ciao

i searched for these products, and they all look fine too me. price is
a little bit too much, maybe i should look for a cheaper/2nd hand
solution...

thanx for the advice!

ciao

looking for good portable/field recorder

Group: rec.audio.pro Date: Sat, Nov 13, 2004, 7:09pm From:
(Mike=A0Rivers)

How much money/time/space do you have? If you're dreaming of and "I only
need . . . " price, dream on. This product category is becoming split in
two directions - on the low end, toys, and on the high end, products
that are targeted to the film sound market (though there's a range of
low to high there).

But the world is still waiting for the replacement for the professional
grade portable DAT recorder.

For NLHD portable film sound use they're here now although the
marketplace is more crowded than ever before. The players a

Fostex: PD-6
Zaxcom: Deva: 3, 4 & 5
Sound Devices: 722, 744T
Hhb: Portadrive
Cantar
Nagra V

Many choices with track availibility from 2 to 10 and prices ranging
from $2650 for the 722 to $16,000 for the Cantar.

Eric






--

looking for good portable/field recorder

Group: rec.audio.pro Date: Sat, Nov 13, 2004, 7:09pm From:
(Mike=A0Rivers)

How much money/time/space do you have? If you're dreaming of and "I only
need . . . " price, dream on. This product category is becoming split in
two directions - on the low end, toys, and on the high end, products
that are targeted to the film sound market (though there's a range of
low to high there).

But the world is still waiting for the replacement for the professional
grade portable DAT recorder.

For NLHD portable film sound use they're here now although the
marketplace is more crowded than ever before. The players a

Fostex: PD-6
Zaxcom: Deva: 3, 4 & 5
Sound Devices: 722, 744T
Hhb: Portadrive
Cantar
Nagra V

Many choices with track availibility from 2 to 10 and prices ranging
from $2650 for the 722 to $16,000 for the Cantar.

Eric






--

In article .net writes:

I pick up a second hand tascam DA -P1 with
Sony stereo Mic ( I don't use that too much) for $800.00, last year and
it's been my best friend at the little concerts we do . I thought maybe I
was going backwards in buying it .But the tascam dat works well with the
pair of mic's I use.

Take good care of it and say nice things to it. Once it dies, it's
highly unlikely that it will ever be repaired. I have a dead DA-P20,
which is why I'm on a quest for a suitable replacement. I could buy a
Marantz PMD670 but I would only consider that a temporary solution,
and it's too expensive to put on the shelf after a year or two. At
least the DAT had a good 8 year run.





--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article .net writes:

I pick up a second hand tascam DA -P1 with
Sony stereo Mic ( I don't use that too much) for $800.00, last year and
it's been my best friend at the little concerts we do . I thought maybe I
was going backwards in buying it .But the tascam dat works well with the
pair of mic's I use.

Take good care of it and say nice things to it. Once it dies, it's
highly unlikely that it will ever be repaired. I have a dead DA-P20,
which is why I'm on a quest for a suitable replacement. I could buy a
Marantz PMD670 but I would only consider that a temporary solution,
and it's too expensive to put on the shelf after a year or two. At
least the DAT had a good 8 year run.





--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

"Bert Aerts" wrote in message om...
hey all, i'm looking for a good tool to record on location. i need
only one (stereo) input, and i wanna have the quality of digital sound
of 44.1 khz, 16 bit or more...
also it would be cool if i can connect condensator mics, so phantom
power would be cool...
any advice?

A two channel phantom power supply isn't going to break the bank... and
if you have a 4 space flight case, any typical DAT machine with pro interfaces
should do the trick. Probably all can be had on e-Bay for under $600.

--
David Morgan (MAMS)
http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com
Morgan Audio Media Service
Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
_______________________________________
http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com

"Bert Aerts" wrote in message om...
hey all, i'm looking for a good tool to record on location. i need
only one (stereo) input, and i wanna have the quality of digital sound
of 44.1 khz, 16 bit or more...
also it would be cool if i can connect condensator mics, so phantom
power would be cool...
any advice?

A two channel phantom power supply isn't going to break the bank... and
if you have a 4 space flight case, any typical DAT machine with pro interfaces
should do the trick. Probably all can be had on e-Bay for under $600.

--
David Morgan (MAMS)
http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com
Morgan Audio Media Service
Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
_______________________________________
http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com

In article writes:

For NLHD portable film sound use they're here now although the
marketplace is more crowded than ever before.

This is true but it's not what the people who record music as music
are looking for. 2 tracks for $1000 or under, with real mic inputs.

I'm also not comfortable without an inexpensive removable recording
medium (like a DAT) but I guess I'll have to settle for a hard drive
that has sufficient capacity so that I can get through a session
(which might be a long weekend or even a week) without unloading it.
I've been able to manage my Jukebox 3's 20 GB disk without any
emergencies so I guess that concept will have to do until they make
flash memory cheap enough so that I can leave it on the shelf, and
proven permanent enough so that it can be the "master" without a
redundant copy on some other medium.





--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

For NLHD portable film sound use they're here now although the
marketplace is more crowded than ever before.

This is true but it's not what the people who record music as music
are looking for. 2 tracks for $1000 or under, with real mic inputs.

I'm also not comfortable without an inexpensive removable recording
medium (like a DAT) but I guess I'll have to settle for a hard drive
that has sufficient capacity so that I can get through a session
(which might be a long weekend or even a week) without unloading it.
I've been able to manage my Jukebox 3's 20 GB disk without any
emergencies so I guess that concept will have to do until they make
flash memory cheap enough so that I can leave it on the shelf, and
proven permanent enough so that it can be the "master" without a
redundant copy on some other medium.





--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

/
"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1100436019k@trad...

Take good care of it and say nice things to it.


Hey, you know that trick! I give my 17 year old hot water heater a pat each
day while flipping a load of wash.



Peace,
Ed Bridge
Brooklyn N.Y.
http://www.bridgeclassicalguitars.com

/
"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1100436019k@trad...

Take good care of it and say nice things to it.


Hey, you know that trick! I give my 17 year old hot water heater a pat each
day while flipping a load of wash.



Peace,
Ed Bridge
Brooklyn N.Y.
http://www.bridgeclassicalguitars.com

In article ANNld.2970$J55.2279@trnddc06 writes:

A two channel phantom power supply isn't going to break the bank... and
if you have a 4 space flight case, any typical DAT machine with pro interfaces
should do the trick. Probably all can be had on e-Bay for under $600.

But there's a difference between "portable" (which doesn't need a
4-space flight case and a bunch of cables hooking up several units
before you can go to work) and "transportable" (which means you can
pick it all up and carry it easily).

I want it all in one package, just like my TASCAM DAT.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article ANNld.2970$J55.2279@trnddc06 writes:

A two channel phantom power supply isn't going to break the bank... and
if you have a 4 space flight case, any typical DAT machine with pro interfaces
should do the trick. Probably all can be had on e-Bay for under $600.

But there's a difference between "portable" (which doesn't need a
4-space flight case and a bunch of cables hooking up several units
before you can go to work) and "transportable" (which means you can
pick it all up and carry it easily).

I want it all in one package, just like my TASCAM DAT.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

Bert Aerts wrote:
i searched for these products, and they all look fine too me. price is
a little bit too much, maybe i should look for a cheaper/2nd hand
solution...

Refurbished Nomad Jukebox 3, $140 on eBay (direct from Creative with a 30-day warranty.)

You'll need a preamp or mixer, though...

Bert Aerts wrote:
i searched for these products, and they all look fine too me. price is
a little bit too much, maybe i should look for a cheaper/2nd hand
solution...

Refurbished Nomad Jukebox 3, $140 on eBay (direct from Creative with a 30-day warranty.)

You'll need a preamp or mixer, though...

Mike Rivers wrote:
In article ANNld.2970$J55.2279@trnddc06 writes:


A two channel phantom power supply isn't going to break the bank... and
if you have a 4 space flight case, any typical DAT machine with pro interfaces
should do the trick. Probably all can be had on e-Bay for under $600.


But there's a difference between "portable" (which doesn't need a
4-space flight case and a bunch of cables hooking up several units
before you can go to work) and "transportable" (which means you can
pick it all up and carry it easily).

I want it all in one package, just like my TASCAM DAT.

Sounds lke you want a 722 (at half price.)

One of the Japanese guys in the Fostex booth at AES admitted to me they are working on getting a hard drive into the FR2.

Mike Rivers wrote:
In article ANNld.2970$J55.2279@trnddc06 writes:


A two channel phantom power supply isn't going to break the bank... and
if you have a 4 space flight case, any typical DAT machine with pro interfaces
should do the trick. Probably all can be had on e-Bay for under $600.


But there's a difference between "portable" (which doesn't need a
4-space flight case and a bunch of cables hooking up several units
before you can go to work) and "transportable" (which means you can
pick it all up and carry it easily).

I want it all in one package, just like my TASCAM DAT.

Sounds lke you want a 722 (at half price.)

One of the Japanese guys in the Fostex booth at AES admitted to me they are working on getting a hard drive into the FR2.

In article .net writes:

Hey, you know that trick! I give my 17 year old hot water heater a pat each
day while flipping a load of wash.

17 years on a water heater! I'm impressed. The ones I buy seem to
have cracked the secret of the car battery warranty. As soon as the
warranty period is up, you can count on them going within a couple of
months.

Good thing some of my audio gear didn't come with a 10 year warranty.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article .net writes:

Hey, you know that trick! I give my 17 year old hot water heater a pat each
day while flipping a load of wash.

17 years on a water heater! I'm impressed. The ones I buy seem to
have cracked the secret of the car battery warranty. As soon as the
warranty period is up, you can count on them going within a couple of
months.

Good thing some of my audio gear didn't come with a 10 year warranty.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

--
Peace,
Ed Bridge
Brooklyn N.Y.
http://www.bridgeclassicalguitars.com/
"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1100470482k@trad...

In article .net
writes:

Hey, you know that trick! I give my 17 year old hot water heater a pat
each
day while flipping a load of wash.

17 years on a water heater! I'm impressed. The ones I buy seem to
have cracked the secret of the car battery warranty. As soon as the
warranty period is up, you can count on them going within a couple of
months.

I know, I have a few apartments that every 10 year , hot water heater is
done. This 17 year old one , in my own place in just a "a.j. smith" and is
over work with my four kids and their baths and bed sheets . . .She's my
lucky hot water heater. :)




Good thing some of my audio gear didn't come with a 10 year warranty.

I hope my DAT has the same luck."?)

--
Peace,
Ed Bridge
Brooklyn N.Y.
http://www.bridgeclassicalguitars.com/

--
Peace,
Ed Bridge
Brooklyn N.Y.
http://www.bridgeclassicalguitars.com/
"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
news:znr1100470482k@trad...

In article .net
writes:

Hey, you know that trick! I give my 17 year old hot water heater a pat
each
day while flipping a load of wash.

17 years on a water heater! I'm impressed. The ones I buy seem to
have cracked the secret of the car battery warranty. As soon as the
warranty period is up, you can count on them going within a couple of
months.

I know, I have a few apartments that every 10 year , hot water heater is
done. This 17 year old one , in my own place in just a "a.j. smith" and is
over work with my four kids and their baths and bed sheets . . .She's my
lucky hot water heater. :)




Good thing some of my audio gear didn't come with a 10 year warranty.

I hope my DAT has the same luck."?)

--
Peace,
Ed Bridge
Brooklyn N.Y.
http://www.bridgeclassicalguitars.com/

Mike Rivers wrote:
In article .net writes:


Hey, you know that trick! I give my 17 year old hot water heater a pat
each day while flipping a load of wash.


17 years on a water heater! I'm impressed. The ones I buy seem to
have cracked the secret of the car battery warranty. As soon as the
warranty period is up, you can count on them going within a couple of
months.

If you change the anode rods out, they can last an amazingly long time. This information seems to have been forgotten sometime in the past 30 years or so.

Mike Rivers wrote:
In article .net writes:


Hey, you know that trick! I give my 17 year old hot water heater a pat
each day while flipping a load of wash.


17 years on a water heater! I'm impressed. The ones I buy seem to
have cracked the secret of the car battery warranty. As soon as the
warranty period is up, you can count on them going within a couple of
months.

If you change the anode rods out, they can last an amazingly long time. This information seems to have been forgotten sometime in the past 30 years or so.

In article writes:

If you change the anode rods out, they can last an amazingly long time. This
information seems to have been forgotten sometime in the past 30 years or so.

I have a gas water heater. I suspect that the failure mode is that
sediment collects on the bottom, which eventually insulates the water
from the burner. I've tried diligently draining the tank a couple of
times a year and that doesn't seem to help. Maybe I should fill it
with vinegar occasionally like I do with my coffee pots? g



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article writes:

If you change the anode rods out, they can last an amazingly long time. This
information seems to have been forgotten sometime in the past 30 years or so.

I have a gas water heater. I suspect that the failure mode is that
sediment collects on the bottom, which eventually insulates the water
from the burner. I've tried diligently draining the tank a couple of
times a year and that doesn't seem to help. Maybe I should fill it
with vinegar occasionally like I do with my coffee pots? g



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

In article ,
wrote:

On 2004-11-14 said:
writes: Hey, you know that trick! I
give my 17 year old hot water heater a pat each day while
flipping a load of wash. 17 years on a water heater! I'm impressed.
The ones I buy seem to have cracked the secret of the car battery
warranty. As soon as the warranty period is up, you can count on
them going within a couple of months.

HEy that anode rod that's supposed to do the electrolysis bit to save
the tank must actually work with the water you have. BAck where I
used to live you were lucky to get ten years on the tanks. THat
stuff was nasty. GO down to take a morning shower and see bright
orange liquid coming out of the shower head.

And that is why you should do the monthly purge. Or at least every six
months. It's not that difficult to drain a gallon out of the thing into
a bucket.

You can buy heaters with a stainless steel lining, too, rather than the
cheap glass lining. They last a lot longer, but cost a lot more. I
just went from a well to city water and I'm seeing a lot less crap coming
out when I do the monthly purge, but I'm waiting to see how that affects
the total life.
--scott

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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."