Someone tell me again -

I have a mix going and all my tracks are routed to analog 1 - 2 out. I
insert a master fader and it goes to 1-2 out, controlling the summed
outputs of the input tracks. Fair enough. Makes sense.

Now if I want to route the master out to SPDIF - I get nothing. I have
to route the individual tracks to SPDIF for the master to work. Now
why is there even an option to change the output on the master to
SPDIF if it doesnt change the output? Does the SPDIF choice only
signify what it's controlling? And if that is the case, why doesn't
that show up on the channel as the input and not the destination?

I'm doing all of this because Digidesign STILL hasn't fixed their
****ing Bounce To Disk function and I'm getting skunked an every
workaround. I just want to simply route the signal to a different
computer's SPDIF but it ain't gonna happen easily.

Given all this, there is no easy way to change the stereo out routing
without going through a bunch of aggravating output changes. I have
dozens of mixes on the 2 track output and I am loathe to change all of
the individual tracks to SPDIF if there is some sensible alternative.


AAAARGGGH!



Kurt Riemann

Can you just ALT+Click one track's output selector to toggle all of 'em
at once? I'm not at my rig to try it myself right now.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

Kurt Riemann wrote in message
...
Someone tell me again -

I have a mix going and all my tracks are routed to analog 1 - 2 out. I
insert a master fader and it goes to 1-2 out, controlling the summed
outputs of the input tracks. Fair enough. Makes sense.

Now if I want to route the master out to SPDIF - I get nothing. I have
to route the individual tracks to SPDIF for the master to work. Now
why is there even an option to change the output on the master to
SPDIF if it doesnt change the output? Does the SPDIF choice only
signify what it's controlling? And if that is the case, why doesn't
that show up on the channel as the input and not the destination?

I'm doing all of this because Digidesign STILL hasn't fixed their
****ing Bounce To Disk function and I'm getting skunked an every
workaround. I just want to simply route the signal to a different
computer's SPDIF but it ain't gonna happen easily.

Given all this, there is no easy way to change the stereo out routing
without going through a bunch of aggravating output changes. I have
dozens of mixes on the 2 track output and I am loathe to change all of
the individual tracks to SPDIF if there is some sensible alternative.


AAAARGGGH!



Kurt Riemann

Can you just ALT+Click one track's output selector to toggle all of 'em
at once? I'm not at my rig to try it myself right now.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

Kurt Riemann wrote in message
...
Someone tell me again -

I have a mix going and all my tracks are routed to analog 1 - 2 out. I
insert a master fader and it goes to 1-2 out, controlling the summed
outputs of the input tracks. Fair enough. Makes sense.

Now if I want to route the master out to SPDIF - I get nothing. I have
to route the individual tracks to SPDIF for the master to work. Now
why is there even an option to change the output on the master to
SPDIF if it doesnt change the output? Does the SPDIF choice only
signify what it's controlling? And if that is the case, why doesn't
that show up on the channel as the input and not the destination?

I'm doing all of this because Digidesign STILL hasn't fixed their
****ing Bounce To Disk function and I'm getting skunked an every
workaround. I just want to simply route the signal to a different
computer's SPDIF but it ain't gonna happen easily.

Given all this, there is no easy way to change the stereo out routing
without going through a bunch of aggravating output changes. I have
dozens of mixes on the 2 track output and I am loathe to change all of
the individual tracks to SPDIF if there is some sensible alternative.


AAAARGGGH!



Kurt Riemann

On the Mac it would be Option+Ctrl to multi-assign all tracks.. which is
what's recommended in the 002 Getting Started Guide.

Rail
--
Recording Engineer/Software Developer
Rail Jon Rogut Software
http://www.railjonrogut.com


"Lorin David Schultz" wrote in message
news:laL7d.12552$223.4590@edtnps89...
Can you just ALT+Click one track's output selector to toggle all of 'em
at once? I'm not at my rig to try it myself right now.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

Kurt Riemann wrote in message
...
Someone tell me again -

I have a mix going and all my tracks are routed to analog 1 - 2 out. I
insert a master fader and it goes to 1-2 out, controlling the summed
outputs of the input tracks. Fair enough. Makes sense.

Now if I want to route the master out to SPDIF - I get nothing. I have
to route the individual tracks to SPDIF for the master to work. Now
why is there even an option to change the output on the master to
SPDIF if it doesnt change the output? Does the SPDIF choice only
signify what it's controlling? And if that is the case, why doesn't
that show up on the channel as the input and not the destination?

I'm doing all of this because Digidesign STILL hasn't fixed their
****ing Bounce To Disk function and I'm getting skunked an every
workaround. I just want to simply route the signal to a different
computer's SPDIF but it ain't gonna happen easily.

Given all this, there is no easy way to change the stereo out routing
without going through a bunch of aggravating output changes. I have
dozens of mixes on the 2 track output and I am loathe to change all of
the individual tracks to SPDIF if there is some sensible alternative.


AAAARGGGH!



Kurt Riemann

On the Mac it would be Option+Ctrl to multi-assign all tracks.. which is
what's recommended in the 002 Getting Started Guide.

Rail
--
Recording Engineer/Software Developer
Rail Jon Rogut Software
http://www.railjonrogut.com


"Lorin David Schultz" wrote in message
news:laL7d.12552$223.4590@edtnps89...
Can you just ALT+Click one track's output selector to toggle all of 'em
at once? I'm not at my rig to try it myself right now.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

Kurt Riemann wrote in message
...
Someone tell me again -

I have a mix going and all my tracks are routed to analog 1 - 2 out. I
insert a master fader and it goes to 1-2 out, controlling the summed
outputs of the input tracks. Fair enough. Makes sense.

Now if I want to route the master out to SPDIF - I get nothing. I have
to route the individual tracks to SPDIF for the master to work. Now
why is there even an option to change the output on the master to
SPDIF if it doesnt change the output? Does the SPDIF choice only
signify what it's controlling? And if that is the case, why doesn't
that show up on the channel as the input and not the destination?

I'm doing all of this because Digidesign STILL hasn't fixed their
****ing Bounce To Disk function and I'm getting skunked an every
workaround. I just want to simply route the signal to a different
computer's SPDIF but it ain't gonna happen easily.

Given all this, there is no easy way to change the stereo out routing
without going through a bunch of aggravating output changes. I have
dozens of mixes on the 2 track output and I am loathe to change all of
the individual tracks to SPDIF if there is some sensible alternative.


AAAARGGGH!



Kurt Riemann

You can't assign an Output Fader to multiple outputs.. because by definition
it's a Master Output Fader.. not a Sub-Master Fader.

I've answered you on the DUC with the correct way to achieve what you want.

Rail
--
Recording Engineer/Software Developer
Rail Jon Rogut Software
http://www.railjonrogut.com


Kurt Riemann wrote in message
...
Someone tell me again -

I have a mix going and all my tracks are routed to analog 1 - 2 out. I
insert a master fader and it goes to 1-2 out, controlling the summed
outputs of the input tracks. Fair enough. Makes sense.

Now if I want to route the master out to SPDIF - I get nothing. I have
to route the individual tracks to SPDIF for the master to work. Now
why is there even an option to change the output on the master to
SPDIF if it doesnt change the output? Does the SPDIF choice only
signify what it's controlling? And if that is the case, why doesn't
that show up on the channel as the input and not the destination?

I'm doing all of this because Digidesign STILL hasn't fixed their
****ing Bounce To Disk function and I'm getting skunked an every
workaround. I just want to simply route the signal to a different
computer's SPDIF but it ain't gonna happen easily.

Given all this, there is no easy way to change the stereo out routing
without going through a bunch of aggravating output changes. I have
dozens of mixes on the 2 track output and I am loathe to change all of
the individual tracks to SPDIF if there is some sensible alternative.


AAAARGGGH!



Kurt Riemann

You can't assign an Output Fader to multiple outputs.. because by definition
it's a Master Output Fader.. not a Sub-Master Fader.

I've answered you on the DUC with the correct way to achieve what you want.

Rail
--
Recording Engineer/Software Developer
Rail Jon Rogut Software
http://www.railjonrogut.com


Kurt Riemann wrote in message
...
Someone tell me again -

I have a mix going and all my tracks are routed to analog 1 - 2 out. I
insert a master fader and it goes to 1-2 out, controlling the summed
outputs of the input tracks. Fair enough. Makes sense.

Now if I want to route the master out to SPDIF - I get nothing. I have
to route the individual tracks to SPDIF for the master to work. Now
why is there even an option to change the output on the master to
SPDIF if it doesnt change the output? Does the SPDIF choice only
signify what it's controlling? And if that is the case, why doesn't
that show up on the channel as the input and not the destination?

I'm doing all of this because Digidesign STILL hasn't fixed their
****ing Bounce To Disk function and I'm getting skunked an every
workaround. I just want to simply route the signal to a different
computer's SPDIF but it ain't gonna happen easily.

Given all this, there is no easy way to change the stereo out routing
without going through a bunch of aggravating output changes. I have
dozens of mixes on the 2 track output and I am loathe to change all of
the individual tracks to SPDIF if there is some sensible alternative.


AAAARGGGH!



Kurt Riemann

What is the problem with ProTools Bounce to Disk?

Kurt Riemann wrote:

Someone tell me again -

I have a mix going and all my tracks are routed to analog 1 - 2 out. I
insert a master fader and it goes to 1-2 out, controlling the summed
outputs of the input tracks. Fair enough. Makes sense.

Now if I want to route the master out to SPDIF - I get nothing. I have
to route the individual tracks to SPDIF for the master to work. Now
why is there even an option to change the output on the master to
SPDIF if it doesnt change the output? Does the SPDIF choice only
signify what it's controlling? And if that is the case, why doesn't
that show up on the channel as the input and not the destination?

I'm doing all of this because Digidesign STILL hasn't fixed their
****ing Bounce To Disk function and I'm getting skunked an every
workaround. I just want to simply route the signal to a different
computer's SPDIF but it ain't gonna happen easily.

Given all this, there is no easy way to change the stereo out routing
without going through a bunch of aggravating output changes. I have
dozens of mixes on the 2 track output and I am loathe to change all of
the individual tracks to SPDIF if there is some sensible alternative.


AAAARGGGH!



Kurt Riemann

What is the problem with ProTools Bounce to Disk?

Kurt Riemann wrote:

Someone tell me again -

I have a mix going and all my tracks are routed to analog 1 - 2 out. I
insert a master fader and it goes to 1-2 out, controlling the summed
outputs of the input tracks. Fair enough. Makes sense.

Now if I want to route the master out to SPDIF - I get nothing. I have
to route the individual tracks to SPDIF for the master to work. Now
why is there even an option to change the output on the master to
SPDIF if it doesnt change the output? Does the SPDIF choice only
signify what it's controlling? And if that is the case, why doesn't
that show up on the channel as the input and not the destination?

I'm doing all of this because Digidesign STILL hasn't fixed their
****ing Bounce To Disk function and I'm getting skunked an every
workaround. I just want to simply route the signal to a different
computer's SPDIF but it ain't gonna happen easily.

Given all this, there is no easy way to change the stereo out routing
without going through a bunch of aggravating output changes. I have
dozens of mixes on the 2 track output and I am loathe to change all of
the individual tracks to SPDIF if there is some sensible alternative.


AAAARGGGH!



Kurt Riemann

On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:11:25 -0400, Joe Boerst wrote
(in article ):

What is the problem with ProTools Bounce to Disk?

Kurt Riemann wrote:

Someone tell me again -

I have a mix going and all my tracks are routed to analog 1 - 2 out. I
insert a master fader and it goes to 1-2 out, controlling the summed
outputs of the input tracks. Fair enough. Makes sense.

Now if I want to route the master out to SPDIF - I get nothing. I have
to route the individual tracks to SPDIF for the master to work. Now
why is there even an option to change the output on the master to
SPDIF if it doesnt change the output? Does the SPDIF choice only
signify what it's controlling? And if that is the case, why doesn't
that show up on the channel as the input and not the destination?

I'm doing all of this because Digidesign STILL hasn't fixed their
****ing Bounce To Disk function and I'm getting skunked an every
workaround. I just want to simply route the signal to a different
computer's SPDIF but it ain't gonna happen easily.

Given all this, there is no easy way to change the stereo out routing
without going through a bunch of aggravating output changes. I have
dozens of mixes on the 2 track output and I am loathe to change all of
the individual tracks to SPDIF if there is some sensible alternative.


AAAARGGGH!



Kurt Riemann


Isn't there a click on the setup window that allows SPDIF mirroring?

Can't you set the output matrix to 1/2 and SPDIF?

What problem are you having with the bounce to disk function?

Regards,

Ty Ford








-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 14:11:25 -0400, Joe Boerst wrote
(in article ):

What is the problem with ProTools Bounce to Disk?

Kurt Riemann wrote:

Someone tell me again -

I have a mix going and all my tracks are routed to analog 1 - 2 out. I
insert a master fader and it goes to 1-2 out, controlling the summed
outputs of the input tracks. Fair enough. Makes sense.

Now if I want to route the master out to SPDIF - I get nothing. I have
to route the individual tracks to SPDIF for the master to work. Now
why is there even an option to change the output on the master to
SPDIF if it doesnt change the output? Does the SPDIF choice only
signify what it's controlling? And if that is the case, why doesn't
that show up on the channel as the input and not the destination?

I'm doing all of this because Digidesign STILL hasn't fixed their
****ing Bounce To Disk function and I'm getting skunked an every
workaround. I just want to simply route the signal to a different
computer's SPDIF but it ain't gonna happen easily.

Given all this, there is no easy way to change the stereo out routing
without going through a bunch of aggravating output changes. I have
dozens of mixes on the 2 track output and I am loathe to change all of
the individual tracks to SPDIF if there is some sensible alternative.


AAAARGGGH!



Kurt Riemann


Isn't there a click on the setup window that allows SPDIF mirroring?

Can't you set the output matrix to 1/2 and SPDIF?

What problem are you having with the bounce to disk function?

Regards,

Ty Ford








-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 18:11:25 GMT, Joe Boerst
wrote:

What is the problem with ProTools Bounce to Disk?


It acts as though it is bouncing and then in dumps me to an error
message referencing some assertion in an "azores" subdirectory.

I just bounced 5 15 second spots with no problem and then the next
bounce from the exact same session (a :30 second spot) failed.

It happens after the bounce, no matter what options I enter in the BTD
screen, OMF compatible, whatever.

My workaround it to use my RTAS/VST wrapperr with the "tapeit"
freeware to record the master output to disk. It's just too many steps
to work around what ought to work in the first place.


Kurt Riemann

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 18:11:25 GMT, Joe Boerst
wrote:

What is the problem with ProTools Bounce to Disk?


It acts as though it is bouncing and then in dumps me to an error
message referencing some assertion in an "azores" subdirectory.

I just bounced 5 15 second spots with no problem and then the next
bounce from the exact same session (a :30 second spot) failed.

It happens after the bounce, no matter what options I enter in the BTD
screen, OMF compatible, whatever.

My workaround it to use my RTAS/VST wrapperr with the "tapeit"
freeware to record the master output to disk. It's just too many steps
to work around what ought to work in the first place.


Kurt Riemann

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 06:57:52 GMT, "Rail Jon Rogut"
wrote:

You can't assign an Output Fader to multiple outputs.. because by definition
it's a Master Output Fader.. not a Sub-Master Fader.

I've answered you on the DUC with the correct way to achieve what you want.

Rail

Just for the RAP record, I'm not after multiple outs. I'm after
changing the stereo master output without changing all of the
channels.

The definition of what it is according to Digidesign is a very
counterintuitive definition, especially since all of the early TDM
stuff I worked with on the Mac (up to 4.1.1) was able to assign the
final output in the way I described. It just seems contrary to the way
every analog mixer in the universe works.

Gracias for all the help here and in DUC -




Kurt

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 06:57:52 GMT, "Rail Jon Rogut"
wrote:

You can't assign an Output Fader to multiple outputs.. because by definition
it's a Master Output Fader.. not a Sub-Master Fader.

I've answered you on the DUC with the correct way to achieve what you want.

Rail

Just for the RAP record, I'm not after multiple outs. I'm after
changing the stereo master output without changing all of the
channels.

The definition of what it is according to Digidesign is a very
counterintuitive definition, especially since all of the early TDM
stuff I worked with on the Mac (up to 4.1.1) was able to assign the
final output in the way I described. It just seems contrary to the way
every analog mixer in the universe works.

Gracias for all the help here and in DUC -




Kurt

TDM systems allow you to multi assign outputs in the Hardware Setup dialog..
that option isn't available with the 002.

A Master Fader has always been just that.. the final master fader right
before the output it's assigned to... by changing the output assignment of
the Master Fader defines which outputs it's the master control of.

Rail
--
Recording Engineer/Software Developer
Rail Jon Rogut Software
http://www.railjonrogut.com


Kurt Riemann wrote in message
...
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 06:57:52 GMT, "Rail Jon Rogut"
wrote:

You can't assign an Output Fader to multiple outputs.. because by
definition
it's a Master Output Fader.. not a Sub-Master Fader.

I've answered you on the DUC with the correct way to achieve what you
want.

Rail

Just for the RAP record, I'm not after multiple outs. I'm after
changing the stereo master output without changing all of the
channels.

The definition of what it is according to Digidesign is a very
counterintuitive definition, especially since all of the early TDM
stuff I worked with on the Mac (up to 4.1.1) was able to assign the
final output in the way I described. It just seems contrary to the way
every analog mixer in the universe works.

Gracias for all the help here and in DUC -




Kurt

TDM systems allow you to multi assign outputs in the Hardware Setup dialog..
that option isn't available with the 002.

A Master Fader has always been just that.. the final master fader right
before the output it's assigned to... by changing the output assignment of
the Master Fader defines which outputs it's the master control of.

Rail
--
Recording Engineer/Software Developer
Rail Jon Rogut Software
http://www.railjonrogut.com


Kurt Riemann wrote in message
...
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 06:57:52 GMT, "Rail Jon Rogut"
wrote:

You can't assign an Output Fader to multiple outputs.. because by
definition
it's a Master Output Fader.. not a Sub-Master Fader.

I've answered you on the DUC with the correct way to achieve what you
want.

Rail

Just for the RAP record, I'm not after multiple outs. I'm after
changing the stereo master output without changing all of the
channels.

The definition of what it is according to Digidesign is a very
counterintuitive definition, especially since all of the early TDM
stuff I worked with on the Mac (up to 4.1.1) was able to assign the
final output in the way I described. It just seems contrary to the way
every analog mixer in the universe works.

Gracias for all the help here and in DUC -




Kurt

To fix this you may want to try deleting all the DigiBase database folders
on your drives and the master DDB folder in your Digidesign folder. They'll
be recreated next time you start Pro Tools.

Rail
--
Recording Engineer/Software Developer
Rail Jon Rogut Software
http://www.railjonrogut.com


Kurt Riemann wrote in message
...
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 18:11:25 GMT, Joe Boerst
wrote:

What is the problem with ProTools Bounce to Disk?


It acts as though it is bouncing and then in dumps me to an error
message referencing some assertion in an "azores" subdirectory.

I just bounced 5 15 second spots with no problem and then the next
bounce from the exact same session (a :30 second spot) failed.

It happens after the bounce, no matter what options I enter in the BTD
screen, OMF compatible, whatever.

My workaround it to use my RTAS/VST wrapperr with the "tapeit"
freeware to record the master output to disk. It's just too many steps
to work around what ought to work in the first place.


Kurt Riemann

To fix this you may want to try deleting all the DigiBase database folders
on your drives and the master DDB folder in your Digidesign folder. They'll
be recreated next time you start Pro Tools.

Rail
--
Recording Engineer/Software Developer
Rail Jon Rogut Software
http://www.railjonrogut.com


Kurt Riemann wrote in message
...
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 18:11:25 GMT, Joe Boerst
wrote:

What is the problem with ProTools Bounce to Disk?


It acts as though it is bouncing and then in dumps me to an error
message referencing some assertion in an "azores" subdirectory.

I just bounced 5 15 second spots with no problem and then the next
bounce from the exact same session (a :30 second spot) failed.

It happens after the bounce, no matter what options I enter in the BTD
screen, OMF compatible, whatever.

My workaround it to use my RTAS/VST wrapperr with the "tapeit"
freeware to record the master output to disk. It's just too many steps
to work around what ought to work in the first place.


Kurt Riemann

In article ,
Kurt Riemann wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 18:11:25 GMT, Joe Boerst
wrote:

What is the problem with ProTools Bounce to Disk?


It acts as though it is bouncing and then in dumps me to an error
message referencing some assertion in an "azores" subdirectory.

I ran into this one too and Answerbase suggests that you change the
length or end time of the bounce slightly. I normally save the bounce
selection as a locator point, so I recalled it, shift clicked some extra
time onto it, resaved it as a new locator point, bounced again and it
was OK. Heaven help you if you have to deliver an interleaved mix file
of precise length... but it should work.

6.4 is sorta creaky IMHO. I hope they fix it for real, and soon too!


Best of luck,

Monte McGuire

In article ,
Kurt Riemann wrote:
On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 18:11:25 GMT, Joe Boerst
wrote:

What is the problem with ProTools Bounce to Disk?


It acts as though it is bouncing and then in dumps me to an error
message referencing some assertion in an "azores" subdirectory.

I ran into this one too and Answerbase suggests that you change the
length or end time of the bounce slightly. I normally save the bounce
selection as a locator point, so I recalled it, shift clicked some extra
time onto it, resaved it as a new locator point, bounced again and it
was OK. Heaven help you if you have to deliver an interleaved mix file
of precise length... but it should work.

6.4 is sorta creaky IMHO. I hope they fix it for real, and soon too!


Best of luck,

Monte McGuire

On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 22:21:10 -0400, Kurt Riemann wrote
(in article ):

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 18:11:25 GMT, Joe Boerst
wrote:

What is the problem with ProTools Bounce to Disk?


It acts as though it is bouncing and then in dumps me to an error
message referencing some assertion in an "azores" subdirectory.

I just bounced 5 15 second spots with no problem and then the next
bounce from the exact same session (a :30 second spot) failed.

It happens after the bounce, no matter what options I enter in the BTD
screen, OMF compatible, whatever.

My workaround it to use my RTAS/VST wrapperr with the "tapeit"
freeware to record the master output to disk. It's just too many steps
to work around what ought to work in the first place.


Kurt Riemann


I have never had a problem with BTD on either Digi 001 or 002R systems on my
three Macs.

What are you running. Please be specific.

Regards,

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 22:21:10 -0400, Kurt Riemann wrote
(in article ):

On Sun, 03 Oct 2004 18:11:25 GMT, Joe Boerst
wrote:

What is the problem with ProTools Bounce to Disk?


It acts as though it is bouncing and then in dumps me to an error
message referencing some assertion in an "azores" subdirectory.

I just bounced 5 15 second spots with no problem and then the next
bounce from the exact same session (a :30 second spot) failed.

It happens after the bounce, no matter what options I enter in the BTD
screen, OMF compatible, whatever.

My workaround it to use my RTAS/VST wrapperr with the "tapeit"
freeware to record the master output to disk. It's just too many steps
to work around what ought to work in the first place.


Kurt Riemann


I have never had a problem with BTD on either Digi 001 or 002R systems on my
three Macs.

What are you running. Please be specific.

Regards,

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:21:37 -0400, Ty Ford
wrote:


I have never had a problem with BTD on either Digi 001 or 002R systems on my
three Macs.

That's because you were smart enough to buy Macs.

Macs have never had this problem.

I'm on an HP (recommended system) wirh no other problems (other that
lack of avi or QT video - white screen)

But it's an XP system so I think I'm gonna start from a scratch
install.

Thanks for the help.



Kurt Riemann

On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:21:37 -0400, Ty Ford
wrote:


I have never had a problem with BTD on either Digi 001 or 002R systems on my
three Macs.

That's because you were smart enough to buy Macs.

Macs have never had this problem.

I'm on an HP (recommended system) wirh no other problems (other that
lack of avi or QT video - white screen)

But it's an XP system so I think I'm gonna start from a scratch
install.

Thanks for the help.



Kurt Riemann

Ty Ford wrote:

I have never had a problem with BTD on either Digi 001 or 002R
systems on my three Macs.


Kurt Riemann wrote:

That's because you were smart enough to buy Macs.

Macs have never had this problem.


I'm afraid you're mistaken Kurt. Macs do so have that problem. In
fact, I've had to deal with it already this week. G4 running DV Toolkit
6.4 through a 001.

I cut a bunch of voice-overs of one to four minutes in length, then
bounced them all to disk one at a time. The first dozen or so came out
fine. The very last one (which sounded fine while it was bouncing and
produced no error messages) generated a file that was just white noise.

I didn't bother to listen to the finished files, since I *thought* I had
listened to them while they bounced, and there was no indication that
there had been a problem. By the time the picture editor noticed the
problem I had gone home, so I just called up the session on my laptop (I
carry a firewire drive around with me and had the session on it). My
portable rig is WinXP running DV Toolkit through an Mbox.

*Exactly* the same session through *exactly* the same software with *no
changes* whatsoever produced a clean file. The *only* difference was
the OS.

So tell me why the Mac was better?

I'm not anti-Mac, but I am anti-hype. Claims of Mac's inherent
superiority have definitely NOT been borne out in _our_ facility. We
have both XP and OSX machines, and they're so similar in practical
situations that I've been hard pressed to find any really significant
argument for or against either of them.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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Ty Ford wrote:

I have never had a problem with BTD on either Digi 001 or 002R
systems on my three Macs.


Kurt Riemann wrote:

That's because you were smart enough to buy Macs.

Macs have never had this problem.


I'm afraid you're mistaken Kurt. Macs do so have that problem. In
fact, I've had to deal with it already this week. G4 running DV Toolkit
6.4 through a 001.

I cut a bunch of voice-overs of one to four minutes in length, then
bounced them all to disk one at a time. The first dozen or so came out
fine. The very last one (which sounded fine while it was bouncing and
produced no error messages) generated a file that was just white noise.

I didn't bother to listen to the finished files, since I *thought* I had
listened to them while they bounced, and there was no indication that
there had been a problem. By the time the picture editor noticed the
problem I had gone home, so I just called up the session on my laptop (I
carry a firewire drive around with me and had the session on it). My
portable rig is WinXP running DV Toolkit through an Mbox.

*Exactly* the same session through *exactly* the same software with *no
changes* whatsoever produced a clean file. The *only* difference was
the OS.

So tell me why the Mac was better?

I'm not anti-Mac, but I am anti-hype. Claims of Mac's inherent
superiority have definitely NOT been borne out in _our_ facility. We
have both XP and OSX machines, and they're so similar in practical
situations that I've been hard pressed to find any really significant
argument for or against either of them.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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In article 6LQ8d.33492$223.4103@edtnps89, Lorin David Schultz
wrote:

I'm not anti-Mac



And Fox is Fair and Balanced.





David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island


www.CelebrationSound.com

No, seriously. I have no problem working on a Mac. Nor do I have any
problem working on XP. That's the point -- I don't get what all the
fuss is about. Neither sucks so bad as to be an obstacle to getting
work done, and neither is good enough to just magically work perfectly
all the time.

I don't endorse either one over the other, but for some reason I feel
compelled to counter zealous arguments for or against either of them.
Maybe it's because I feel like I can share an atypical perspective
because I go back and forth between the two every day.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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"david" wrote in message
...
In article 6LQ8d.33492$223.4103@edtnps89, Lorin David Schultz
wrote:

I'm not anti-Mac



And Fox is Fair and Balanced.





David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island


www.CelebrationSound.com

I too work on OS X, Mac OS 9.2.2 and XP Pro Tools systems every day... and
unless you need a plug-in which is only available for a particular
platform... there's no real difference between using Pro Tools on either
platforms.

Rail
--
Recording Engineer/Software Developer
Rail Jon Rogut Software
http://www.railjonrogut.com


"Lorin David Schultz" wrote in message
news:Ce%8d.33588$223.8987@edtnps89...
No, seriously. I have no problem working on a Mac. Nor do I have any
problem working on XP. That's the point -- I don't get what all the
fuss is about. Neither sucks so bad as to be an obstacle to getting
work done, and neither is good enough to just magically work perfectly
all the time.

I don't endorse either one over the other, but for some reason I feel
compelled to counter zealous arguments for or against either of them.
Maybe it's because I feel like I can share an atypical perspective
because I go back and forth between the two every day.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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"david" wrote in message
...
In article 6LQ8d.33492$223.4103@edtnps89, Lorin David Schultz
wrote:

I'm not anti-Mac



And Fox is Fair and Balanced.





David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island


www.CelebrationSound.com

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:34:26 -0400, Lorin David Schultz wrote
(in article 6LQ8d.33492$223.4103@edtnps89):

Ty Ford wrote:

I have never had a problem with BTD on either Digi 001 or 002R
systems on my three Macs.


Kurt Riemann wrote:

That's because you were smart enough to buy Macs.

Macs have never had this problem.


I'm afraid you're mistaken Kurt. Macs do so have that problem. In
fact, I've had to deal with it already this week. G4 running DV Toolkit
6.4 through a 001.

I cut a bunch of voice-overs of one to four minutes in length, then
bounced them all to disk one at a time. The first dozen or so came out
fine. The very last one (which sounded fine while it was bouncing and
produced no error messages) generated a file that was just white noise.

I didn't bother to listen to the finished files, since I *thought* I had
listened to them while they bounced, and there was no indication that
there had been a problem. By the time the picture editor noticed the
problem I had gone home, so I just called up the session on my laptop (I
carry a firewire drive around with me and had the session on it). My
portable rig is WinXP running DV Toolkit through an Mbox.

*Exactly* the same session through *exactly* the same software with *no
changes* whatsoever produced a clean file. The *only* difference was
the OS.

So tell me why the Mac was better?

I'm not anti-Mac, but I am anti-hype. Claims of Mac's inherent
superiority have definitely NOT been borne out in _our_ facility. We
have both XP and OSX machines, and they're so similar in practical
situations that I've been hard pressed to find any really significant
argument for or against either of them.



Are you guys running anything else on your PC and Macs?

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

Thanks heavens that we have CBS to keep us informed!

"david" wrote in message
...
In article 6LQ8d.33492$223.4103@edtnps89, Lorin David Schultz
wrote:

I'm not anti-Mac



And Fox is Fair and Balanced.





David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island


www.CelebrationSound.com

"Ty Ford" wrote:

Are you guys running anything else on your PC and Macs?

The Mac has whatever installs with OSX plus Fetch and Outlook -- Fetch
for ftp'ing files around, and Outlook for accessing files sent by email
to the corporate network. Oh yeah, Internet Explorer so we can make
sure web-accessed files work on something other than Safari.

My XP machine is a typical personal laptop. In addition to Pro Tools I
have MS Office, Photoshop/Illustrator, iTunes, Norton Ghost and
Anti-virus. There are a few other minor apps for file viewing, ftp,
multimedia, cd ripping etc.

Neither is a particularly unusual configuration.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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So tell me why the Mac was better?

Not saying they're better, but my ten year old mac with 4.1.1 bounces
to disk AND shows video just fine. It's pretty inexcusable that DIGI
has dumb-ass problems like this with their newer systems. the old one
was 99% bulletproof. The only problem? It's a ten year old Mac with
4.1.1.

It took a lot of fiddling to make it reliable and sometimes I wonder
if I was just trained to avoid the bugs after a while.


Kurt Riemann

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 23:30:42 GMT, "Lorin David Schultz"
wrote:

No, seriously. I have no problem working on a Mac. Nor do I have any
problem working on XP. That's the point -- I don't get what all the
fuss is about. Neither sucks so bad as to be an obstacle to getting
work done, and neither is good enough to just magically work perfectly
all the time.

I don't endorse either one over the other, but for some reason I feel
compelled to counter zealous arguments for or against either of them.

Zealous?

All I was pointing out is that they didn't have BTD problems, or at
least that's what I'd been hearing from mostly everyone who was
addressing the problem. Whatever. Digi is notoriously fragile on both
platforms (just read the DUC) and seems to be content in being so.

It's just hard to make a living when something as obviously necessary
as Bounce to disk doesn't work during a session with Ad Execs
breathing down your neck for dubs on a Friday.



Kurt Riemann

Actually if you look farther.. you'll find that whenever someone has a BTD
issue on the PC with 6.4 -- they're either trying to use too many plug-ins
for their system.. or they have some hardware or software conflict. Perhaps
you should list your system specs.

I personally run HD3 Accel, an 002 and MBox on an ASUS P4C800 Deluxe
motherboard based system (as well as quite a few Mac based systems)... and
have absolutely no issues with BTD.

Of course you'll hear and see people with issues (which are more than often
resolved) on the DUC... people who don't have problems and are using their
systems aren't posting about it.

Rail
--
Recording Engineer/Software Developer
Rail Jon Rogut Software
http://www.railjonrogut.com


Kurt Riemann wrote in message
...


So tell me why the Mac was better?

Not saying they're better, but my ten year old mac with 4.1.1 bounces
to disk AND shows video just fine. It's pretty inexcusable that DIGI
has dumb-ass problems like this with their newer systems. the old one
was 99% bulletproof. The only problem? It's a ten year old Mac with
4.1.1.

It took a lot of fiddling to make it reliable and sometimes I wonder
if I was just trained to avoid the bugs after a while.


Kurt Riemann

Kurt Riemann wrote in message
...

Zealous?

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that *your* remark was "zealous." I
confess that I did think was another tossed-out pro-mac mantra though.

My apologies.


All I was pointing out is that they didn't have BTD problems, or at
least that's what I'd been hearing from mostly everyone who was
addressing the problem.

I wish that were true.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:37:19 -0400, Lorin David Schultz wrote
(in article P%B9d.21429$j24.20178@clgrps12):

Kurt Riemann wrote in message
...

Zealous?

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that *your* remark was "zealous." I
confess that I did think was another tossed-out pro-mac mantra though.

My apologies.


All I was pointing out is that they didn't have BTD problems, or at
least that's what I'd been hearing from mostly everyone who was
addressing the problem.

I wish that were true.



Um, I think I mentioned not having any BTD problems yet on either 001 002 Mac
systems. Maybe I was just thinking that and never really posted it.

Ty



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

"Ty Ford" wrote:

Um, I think I mentioned not having any BTD problems yet on either 001
002 Mac
systems. Maybe I was just thinking that and never really posted it.


Yes, I read it. I simply stated that I have first-hand experience with
the problem, so apparently Mac is not immune to the problem, as Kurt
seemed to suggest. That's all.

My comment that "I wish that were true" meant I wish Macs *were* immune
to the problem. At least then one platform would be! g

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"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

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