Would there be any meassurable or audible difference between 1 50m mic
cable or 5 joined 10 m cables? That is, is there any signal degradation
at the XLR-XLR joins?

Lars

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"Lars Farm" wrote in message
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Would there be any measurable or audible difference between 1 50m mic
cable or 5 joined 10 m cables? That is, is there any signal
degradation at the XLR-XLR joins?

May God help us if there is!

;-)

But seriously, a good XLR connection measures perfect at and below the 0.01
dB and 0.001% THD level, and has the sound quality to match.

"Lars Farm" wrote in message
news:1gkzat4.z6k2of1derkxsN%mail.addr.can.be.found @www.farm.se

Would there be any measurable or audible difference between 1 50m mic
cable or 5 joined 10 m cables? That is, is there any signal
degradation at the XLR-XLR joins?

May God help us if there is!

;-)

But seriously, a good XLR connection measures perfect at and below the 0.01
dB and 0.001% THD level, and has the sound quality to match.

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Lars Farm" wrote in message
news:1gkzat4.z6k2of1derkxsN%mail.addr.can.be.found @www.farm.se

Would there be any measurable or audible difference between 1 50m mic
cable or 5 joined 10 m cables? That is, is there any signal
degradation at the XLR-XLR joins?

May God help us if there is!

;-)

But seriously, a good XLR connection measures perfect at and below the 0.01
dB and 0.001% THD level, and has the sound quality to match.

That is, do I buy a couple of cheap 15m snakes at Thomans or and
expensivie (and heavy)... So, I suppose joining a couple of shorter
snakes is safe.

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Arny Krueger wrote:

"Lars Farm" wrote in message
news:1gkzat4.z6k2of1derkxsN%mail.addr.can.be.found @www.farm.se

Would there be any measurable or audible difference between 1 50m mic
cable or 5 joined 10 m cables? That is, is there any signal
degradation at the XLR-XLR joins?

May God help us if there is!

;-)

But seriously, a good XLR connection measures perfect at and below the 0.01
dB and 0.001% THD level, and has the sound quality to match.

That is, do I buy a couple of cheap 15m snakes at Thomans or and
expensivie (and heavy)... So, I suppose joining a couple of shorter
snakes is safe.

--
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Arny Krueger wrote:

But seriously, a good XLR connection measures perfect at and below the 0.01
dB and 0.001% THD level, and has the sound quality to match.

So several "lightweight" and short snakes connected in series i
equivalent to one long. Good. And cheaper too. And easier to handle. I'm
looking for 8 channels 30-50m. The 15m ones I've found are 8 channel.
The 30m+ ones I find are all 16+4 channels or more (although not
proportionally more expensive), so...

Thanks, Lars

--
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Arny Krueger wrote:

But seriously, a good XLR connection measures perfect at and below the 0.01
dB and 0.001% THD level, and has the sound quality to match.

So several "lightweight" and short snakes connected in series i
equivalent to one long. Good. And cheaper too. And easier to handle. I'm
looking for 8 channels 30-50m. The 15m ones I've found are 8 channel.
The 30m+ ones I find are all 16+4 channels or more (although not
proportionally more expensive), so...

Thanks, Lars

--
lars farm // http://www.farm.se

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:29:10 GMT,
(Lars Farm) wrote:

Arny Krueger wrote:

But seriously, a good XLR connection measures perfect at and below the 0.01
dB and 0.001% THD level, and has the sound quality to match.

So several "lightweight" and short snakes connected in series i
equivalent to one long. Good. And cheaper too. And easier to handle. I'm
looking for 8 channels 30-50m. The 15m ones I've found are 8 channel.
The 30m+ ones I find are all 16+4 channels or more (although not
proportionally more expensive), so...

Thanks, Lars

They are equivalent in all respects except reliability. The cable
entry into a connector is always the weak point, and you will need to
look after them.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:29:10 GMT,
(Lars Farm) wrote:

Arny Krueger wrote:

But seriously, a good XLR connection measures perfect at and below the 0.01
dB and 0.001% THD level, and has the sound quality to match.

So several "lightweight" and short snakes connected in series i
equivalent to one long. Good. And cheaper too. And easier to handle. I'm
looking for 8 channels 30-50m. The 15m ones I've found are 8 channel.
The 30m+ ones I find are all 16+4 channels or more (although not
proportionally more expensive), so...

Thanks, Lars

They are equivalent in all respects except reliability. The cable
entry into a connector is always the weak point, and you will need to
look after them.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:02:26 GMT, Lars Farm
wrote:
Would there be any meassurable or audible difference between 1 50m mic
cable or 5 joined 10 m cables? That is, is there any signal degradation
at the XLR-XLR joins?

Lars


Provided all your connectors are sound, there shouldn't be at audio
frequencies.

The downside is you now have ten potential points of failure instead of
just two, so reliability is likely to be less.

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:02:26 GMT, Lars Farm
wrote:
Would there be any meassurable or audible difference between 1 50m mic
cable or 5 joined 10 m cables? That is, is there any signal degradation
at the XLR-XLR joins?

Lars


Provided all your connectors are sound, there shouldn't be at audio
frequencies.

The downside is you now have ten potential points of failure instead of
just two, so reliability is likely to be less.

It just showed up yesterday and I haven't had the chance to plug it in yet.

LD, three pattern; figure of eight, omni, cardioid.

40 Hz 80 Hz high pass

-5 dB, -10 dB pad.

7 dBa selfnoise

The graph looks like a very broad +4 plateau.

More later.

Ty Ford




-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

It just showed up yesterday and I haven't had the chance to plug it in yet.

LD, three pattern; figure of eight, omni, cardioid.

40 Hz 80 Hz high pass

-5 dB, -10 dB pad.

7 dBa selfnoise

The graph looks like a very broad +4 plateau.

More later.

Ty Ford




-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

In article 1gkzat4.z6k2of1derkxsN%mail.addr.can.be.found@www .farm.se writes:

Would there be any meassurable or audible difference between 1 50m mic
cable or 5 joined 10 m cables? That is, is there any signal degradation
at the XLR-XLR joins?

There could be. Contacts can become rectifiers. Noise can leak in
through connector shells that aren't connected to the cable shield.
Someone could unplug one.

But if that's what you have to do in order to get a 50 foot mic cable
run, you do it and you keep your ears open. "Degradation" is
measurable if you try hard enough. Listening will tell you if you have
a problem you need to fix.


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In article 1gkzat4.z6k2of1derkxsN%mail.addr.can.be.found@www .farm.se writes:

Would there be any meassurable or audible difference between 1 50m mic
cable or 5 joined 10 m cables? That is, is there any signal degradation
at the XLR-XLR joins?

There could be. Contacts can become rectifiers. Noise can leak in
through connector shells that aren't connected to the cable shield.
Someone could unplug one.

But if that's what you have to do in order to get a 50 foot mic cable
run, you do it and you keep your ears open. "Degradation" is
measurable if you try hard enough. Listening will tell you if you have
a problem you need to fix.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

Lars Farm wrote:
Would there be any meassurable or audible difference between 1 50m mic
cable or 5 joined 10 m cables? That is, is there any signal degradation
at the XLR-XLR joins?

No. That's why we use XLR connectors. Massive contact area.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Lars Farm wrote:
Would there be any meassurable or audible difference between 1 50m mic
cable or 5 joined 10 m cables? That is, is there any signal degradation
at the XLR-XLR joins?

No. That's why we use XLR connectors. Massive contact area.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Don Richardson" wrote in message


Well, Doug Sax used to claim he could hear the difference between a
Switchcraft and another XLR....

So can I, as long as I use Doug Sax type listening evaluations. Taking a
*little beverage* can help. ;-)

"Don Richardson" wrote in message


Well, Doug Sax used to claim he could hear the difference between a
Switchcraft and another XLR....

So can I, as long as I use Doug Sax type listening evaluations. Taking a
*little beverage* can help. ;-)

In article 1gkzbv9.4wcf881qcr4suN%mail.addr.can.be.found@www .farm.se writes:

So several "lightweight" and short snakes connected in series i
equivalent to one long. Good. And cheaper too. And easier to handle. I'm
looking for 8 channels 30-50m.

Oh, snakes? No, I wouldn't do that. Too many connectors means too many
possible points of failure. If you want a snake that long, buy a piece
of bulk cable and a bag full of connectors and start soldering.

The 15m ones I've found are 8 channel.

Those are meant for connecting studio equipment and are typically
build with a "squid" (bundle of individual connectors) at both ends.

The 30m+ ones I find are all 16+4 channels

Those are meant for connecting a console to the stage, and are usually
built with a squid on one end and a box with panel mounted connectors
on the other.

Each type is more convenient for its intended application. What's
yours?

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In article 1gkzbv9.4wcf881qcr4suN%mail.addr.can.be.found@www .farm.se writes:

So several "lightweight" and short snakes connected in series i
equivalent to one long. Good. And cheaper too. And easier to handle. I'm
looking for 8 channels 30-50m.

Oh, snakes? No, I wouldn't do that. Too many connectors means too many
possible points of failure. If you want a snake that long, buy a piece
of bulk cable and a bag full of connectors and start soldering.

The 15m ones I've found are 8 channel.

Those are meant for connecting studio equipment and are typically
build with a "squid" (bundle of individual connectors) at both ends.

The 30m+ ones I find are all 16+4 channels

Those are meant for connecting a console to the stage, and are usually
built with a squid on one end and a box with panel mounted connectors
on the other.

Each type is more convenient for its intended application. What's
yours?

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

Mike Rivers wrote:

Each type is more convenient for its intended application. What's
yours?

Location recording. To move me, the recorder and other equipment away
from the performers and perhaps out of the way from an audience too.

I.e. bring the microphone signals from one end of a church to the other
where preamps and recorder is and if there is an audiens ,in such a way
that they wont trip over cables and other stuff

In this case both the shorter[1] 8 channel (15m ‰ˆ 50' (75‚¬ at Thomans)
(15m will be too short so I'll need more than one)) and longer[2] 16+4
channel (30m ‰ˆ 100' (150‚¬ also at Thoman)) have a stage box in on end
and a "squid" in the other.

I can not imagine needing that many channels[*] and it weighs 17kg. But
there could be other things to consider. Thats why I ask...

sincerly
Lars

[1] to be even more direct... the shorter (of which I'd need more than
one)
http://www.netzmarkt.de/thomann/thoi...lticorekabel_p
rodinfo.html

[2] the clumsier (that feels like overkill)
http://www.netzmarkt.de/thomann/thoi...0_multicore_pr
odinfo.html
[*] famous quotes:
IBM's Watson (?) in the fifties: "The potential world market for
computers is three computers"
Bill Gates: "There will never be a need for more than 640MB of RAM."
etc ...
:-)


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Mike Rivers wrote:

Each type is more convenient for its intended application. What's
yours?

Location recording. To move me, the recorder and other equipment away
from the performers and perhaps out of the way from an audience too.

I.e. bring the microphone signals from one end of a church to the other
where preamps and recorder is and if there is an audiens ,in such a way
that they wont trip over cables and other stuff

In this case both the shorter[1] 8 channel (15m ‰ˆ 50' (75‚¬ at Thomans)
(15m will be too short so I'll need more than one)) and longer[2] 16+4
channel (30m ‰ˆ 100' (150‚¬ also at Thoman)) have a stage box in on end
and a "squid" in the other.

I can not imagine needing that many channels[*] and it weighs 17kg. But
there could be other things to consider. Thats why I ask...

sincerly
Lars

[1] to be even more direct... the shorter (of which I'd need more than
one)
http://www.netzmarkt.de/thomann/thoi...lticorekabel_p
rodinfo.html

[2] the clumsier (that feels like overkill)
http://www.netzmarkt.de/thomann/thoi...0_multicore_pr
odinfo.html
[*] famous quotes:
IBM's Watson (?) in the fifties: "The potential world market for
computers is three computers"
Bill Gates: "There will never be a need for more than 640MB of RAM."
etc ...
:-)


--
lars farm // http://www.farm.se

Lars Farm wrote:

640MB
oops, how time flies... now one can't even imagine 640kB of RAM in a
computer (and he said kB). I once discussed with a prof Tärnlund
(computer science) and he bragged about a complete Prolog interpreter of
his that ran in 8kB code + data, try that today...

/L

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Lars Farm wrote:

640MB
oops, how time flies... now one can't even imagine 640kB of RAM in a
computer (and he said kB). I once discussed with a prof Tärnlund
(computer science) and he bragged about a complete Prolog interpreter of
his that ran in 8kB code + data, try that today...

/L

--
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Well, Doug Sax used to claim he could hear the difference between a
Switchcraft and another XLR....

---------------

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Lars Farm" wrote in message
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Would there be any measurable or audible difference between 1 50m mic
cable or 5 joined 10 m cables? That is, is there any signal
degradation at the XLR-XLR joins?


May God help us if there is!

;-)

But seriously, a good XLR connection measures perfect at and below the 0.01
dB and 0.001% THD level, and has the sound quality to match.

Well, Doug Sax used to claim he could hear the difference between a
Switchcraft and another XLR....

---------------

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Lars Farm" wrote in message
news:1gkzat4.z6k2of1derkxsN%mail.addr.can.be.found @www.farm.se


Would there be any measurable or audible difference between 1 50m mic
cable or 5 joined 10 m cables? That is, is there any signal
degradation at the XLR-XLR joins?


May God help us if there is!

;-)

But seriously, a good XLR connection measures perfect at and below the 0.01
dB and 0.001% THD level, and has the sound quality to match.