George wrote in
:

Coke dealers do not make "profits" even though the money fits your
descriptions

Unfortunately coke dealers can make a lot of profit. The fact that coke
dealing is illegal even raises the possible profits as they get paid for
the risk of getting caught as well as the actual work.

Do you seriously think people would run the risks involved in running big
illegal enterprises without the potential for big profits? Illegal profit
is still profit, even though it can be more difficult to use for further
investments (wich is why there are services specializing in money
laundring).

hier money is called EVIDENCE

If they get caught it's evidence, yes. And if the evidence is not returned
to the dealer (probable if (s)he is convicted), it's no longer profit.

/Jonas

In article ,
pH wrote:

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:51:34 -0700, "William Sommerwerck"

wrote:

the focus on profitabilty needs to be the first concern of a business
if it can not operate profitably it will fail
profits are not automatic just beacuse you have noble intentions

My final comments.

Sorry, no. Profitability is the side effect of running your business
properly,
in both practical and ethical terms.

Exactly.

sorry that is just wrong
profit needs o be planned into you business model
it does not just happen
the prime reaon for business failures is not chargeing enough
,underestimating costs, which is the same as lack of profits
George

the focus on profitabilty needs to be the first concern of a business
if it can not operate profitably it will fail
profits are not automatic just beacuse you have noble intentions

My final comments.

Sorry, no. Profitability is the side effect of running your business
properly,
in both practical and ethical terms.

Exactly.

sorry that is just wrong
profit needs o be planned into you business model
it does not just happen
the prime reaon for business failures is not chargeing enough
,underestimating costs, which is the same as lack of profits

"Running your business properly" includes all those things -- and more.

In article ,
"William Sommerwerck" wrote:

the focus on profitabilty needs to be the first concern of a business
if it can not operate profitably it will fail
profits are not automatic just beacuse you have noble intentions

My final comments.

Sorry, no. Profitability is the side effect of running your business
properly,
in both practical and ethical terms.

Exactly.

sorry that is just wrong
profit needs o be planned into you business model
it does not just happen
the prime reaon for business failures is not chargeing enough
,underestimating costs, which is the same as lack of profits

"Running your business properly" includes all those things -- and more.

nice reverse on your position!
I see I made my point that profit is Essential the first concern for a
"properly run" business
for without the Profit you no longer have a business(for very long)
george

sorry that is just wrong
profit needs o be planned into you business model
it does not just happen
the prime reaon for business failures is not chargeing enough
,underestimating costs, which is the same as lack of profits

"Running your business properly" includes all those things -- and more.

nice reverse on your position!
I see I made my point that profit is Essential the first concern for a
"properly run" business
for without the Profit you no longer have a business(for very long)

Final remarks...

I did not reverse my position. You simply want to play Humpty Dumpty, and I
refuse to go along.

I can only speak for myself, but I would never do business with you. Anyone who
puts "profits first" -- for whom worrying about whether he's going to make money
on the next job is his principal -- and seemingly only -- concern -- is not
someone I'd feel comfortable trusting.

Just to clarify that...

I would want someone who has an orderly, well-run studio, staffed with
"professionals" who take what they're doing seriously and are thoroughly
familiar with the equipment and how to get the most out of it.

In article ,
"William Sommerwerck" wrote:

sorry that is just wrong
profit needs o be planned into you business model
it does not just happen
the prime reaon for business failures is not chargeing enough
,underestimating costs, which is the same as lack of profits

"Running your business properly" includes all those things -- and more.

nice reverse on your position!
I see I made my point that profit is Essential the first concern for a
"properly run" business
for without the Profit you no longer have a business(for very long)

Final remarks...

I did not reverse my position. You simply want to play Humpty Dumpty, and I
refuse to go along.

I can only speak for myself, but I would never do business with you. Anyone
who
puts "profits first" -- for whom worrying about whether he's going to make
money
on the next job is his principal -- and seemingly only -- concern -- is not
someone I'd feel comfortable trusting.


nor would I want to work for someone who did not respect my need to be
profitable
feeling my profit was smehow immoral and that they should not be
providing me what I am worth
through hard honest work I have plenty of people who want me to be still
in business to do my excellent work for them next year
they do not begrudge me 1000$ for a 8 channel pa /speaker on stick 4
hour gig
beacuse quite modestly , I am worth it, and they know it
George
George

In article ,
"William Sommerwerck" wrote:

Just to clarify that...

I would want someone who has an orderly, well-run studio, staffed with
"professionals" who take what they're doing seriously and are thoroughly
familiar with the equipment and how to get the most out of it.


i do not record professionally
I am in the learning curve as a recordist and as such do not charge for
my work as a recordist beacuse it is not the same pro quality my live
production is
George

nor would I want to work for someone who did not respect my
need to be profitable feeling my profit was smehow immoral
and that they should not be providing me what I am worth

F*** off, you moron.

You are DELIBERATELY misreading everything I've written.

If you don't think you are, you need to find someone -- a friend, or a
psychotherapist -- to explain to you your unwillingness to make even the tiniest
attempt to understand someone else's point of view. Especially when yours is
generally incorrect.

In article ,
"William Sommerwerck" wrote:

nor would I want to work for someone who did not respect my
need to be profitable feeling my profit was smehow immoral
and that they should not be providing me what I am worth

F*** off, you moron.

You are DELIBERATELY misreading everything I've written.

If you don't think you are, you need to find someone -- a friend, or a
psychotherapist -- to explain to you your unwillingness to make even the
tiniest
attempt to understand someone else's point of view. Especially when yours is
generally incorrect.


another great reason to not accept work from you
your a abusive jerk
peace
George

George
Date: Sun, Aug 29, 2004 3:40 PM
Message-id:

In article ,
"William Sommerwerck" wrote:

nor would I want to work for someone who did not respect my
need to be profitable feeling my profit was smehow immoral
and that they should not be providing me what I am worth

F*** off, you moron.

You are DELIBERATELY misreading everything I've written.

If you don't think you are, you need to find someone -- a friend, or a
psychotherapist -- to explain to you your unwillingness to make even the
tiniest
attempt to understand someone else's point of view. Especially when yours is
generally incorrect.


another great reason to not accept work from you
your a abusive jerk
peace
George
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On 2004-08-26 (hankalrich) said:
neil.henderson wrote:
You don't earn much money, do you?
Neither did Picasso while he was alive, nor Professor Longhair nor
Mozart and many other significant chapter headings in a chronology
of human imagination.
Money is how people without imagination keep score.
YEs and since he didn't make a lot his old home place is deteriorating
rapidly to the point where it's no longer really safely habitable. We
manage an apartment building right next to it. HIS daughter still
resides there and it's falling down around her ears.
GO to Tippitino's (Spelling) however and you'll find plenty of Prof
Longhair fans.



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On 2004-08-26 said:
If you are selling pants, carefully matching needs is clearly
beneficial. People buy a lot of pants.
But if you are selling cars or mattresses, high pressure sales
works, and it works because the chance of repeat business in the
near future is slim anyway. People don't buy cars or mattresses
every day. referals count as repeat business, sleezeballs do not
get referals Good salespeople do
True, but I've been referred by somebody to a salesperson who turned
on the high pressure BS sales game as soon as I walked in the door.

I was looking for a van to replace the one that was now doaa. in my
driveway. I wanted a cargo hauler, max price about $3k or so, which
meant I was looking for something around a decade old or maybe a bit
older.

I went there because my lady liked one of the salesmen. My cousin was
the dealer's body man. I'd looked at a couple of for sale by owners
from the local shoppers and paper but hadn't found anything I was sure
about yet. SO I trot in there with lady driving our little beer can
chevette.

I told the man I was looking for a van, tops about $3k, I wasn't
interested in passenger hauling, just cargo. HE didn't have anything
but then started trying to get me interested in one of those minivan
things. IN the first place it was fine for the soccer mom with a
carload of rugrats but I wasn't interested in hard to remove seats and
nice carpeting etc. etc. to sHove speakers amps etc. across it, or
maybe haul a load of wood for a construction project etc. DOofus
insisted on taking us for a test drive in it anyway, though he knew we
weren't going to buy it. I told him to knock a kilobuck off the
price, cash deal and even then I wasn't really excited about it
because it wasn't really what I wanted.
IN your business George referrals are everything, but in the car lot
on the major thoroughfare referrals aren't as important. YOu and I
live and die on referrals, not so they.





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