http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/19/bush.iran/index.html


Bush: U.S. probes possible Iran links to 9/11.
Tehran government hiding Al Qaeda members, president says

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is harboring members of al Qaeda, and the
United States is investigating whether the Iranian government had a role
in the September 11, 2001, attacks, President Bush said Monday.

And then there's this:


http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/19/news/international/halliburton.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes
Halliburton is subpoenaed over Iran ties

A grand jury subpoenas info about its Cayman Islands unit, which has
operations in Iran.

HOUSTON (Reuters) - Oil field services company Halliburton Co. received
a grand jury subpoena earlier this month seeking information about its
Cayman Islands unit, which conducts operations in Iran, the company said
Monday.

U.S. companies are prohibited by law from doing business with Iran.

Oooops, you invaded the wrong newsgroup. This one's for pro audio
discussion. Didn't we cover that about 792 times in the last month?

- Logan

Logan Shaw wrote:
Oooops, you invaded the wrong newsgroup. This one's for pro audio
discussion. Didn't we cover that about 792 times in the last month?


And still not nearly enough. There is a good reason people are getting
scared and wanting to talk about this **** everywhere they can. There
are some important parallels to the past rise to power of some very
nasty leaders, and it is happening right under your nose. You obviously
underestimate the seriousness of what is going on in the US right now.

Your pro audio discussions are going to be pretty insignificant in short
order the way things are headed.

Pete Dimsman wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/19/bush.iran/index.html


Bush: U.S. probes possible Iran links to 9/11.
Tehran government hiding Al Qaeda members, president says

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is harboring members of al Qaeda, and the
United States is investigating whether the Iranian government had a
role in the September 11, 2001, attacks, President Bush said Monday.

Hey, the spelling was close. And they wear funny hats too. Near enough.


geoff

Pete Dimsman wrote:
Logan Shaw wrote:
Oooops, you invaded the wrong newsgroup. This one's for pro audio
discussion. Didn't we cover that about 792 times in the last month?

And still not nearly enough.

Apparently, because despite the number of times it's been pointed out
that this is off-topic, it hasn't been enough. If it had been, people
wouldn't still be posting off-topic stuff.

There is a good reason people are getting
scared and wanting to talk about this **** everywhere they can. There
are some important parallels to the past rise to power of some very
nasty leaders, and it is happening right under your nose. You obviously
underestimate the seriousness of what is going on in the US right now.

Yes, right, of course. I disagree with your decision to post off-topic
stuff, therefore I must obviously be less aware than you about what's
going on in the US. Did it occur to you that being condescending will
not help your cause? Did it occur to you that maybe I'm not a rabid
pro-Bush guy trying to attack you because I disagree with your point
of view and instead I'm actually really just annoyed at your lack of
netiquette?

- Logan

In article ,
Logan Shaw wrote:

Pete Dimsman wrote:
Logan Shaw wrote:
Oooops, you invaded the wrong newsgroup. This one's for pro audio
discussion. Didn't we cover that about 792 times in the last month?

And still not nearly enough.

Apparently, because despite the number of times it's been pointed out
that this is off-topic, it hasn't been enough. If it had been, people
wouldn't still be posting off-topic stuff.

There is a good reason people are getting
scared and wanting to talk about this **** everywhere they can. There
are some important parallels to the past rise to power of some very
nasty leaders, and it is happening right under your nose. You obviously
underestimate the seriousness of what is going on in the US right now.

Yes, right, of course. I disagree with your decision to post off-topic
stuff, therefore I must obviously be less aware than you about what's
going on in the US. Did it occur to you that being condescending will
not help your cause? Did it occur to you that maybe I'm not a rabid
pro-Bush guy trying to attack you because I disagree with your point
of view and instead I'm actually really just annoyed at your lack of
netiquette?

- Logan

and you don't find it a double standard to complain about off topic
posting with a off topic post
same logic that allows us to fught terrosim by invading and destroying
countrys that had nothing to do with the terrosim we accused them of
g

Logan Shaw wrote:

Did it occur to you that being condescending will
not help your cause?

Well it isn't "my" cause. It is our cause, but some still don't get it.

Pete Dimsman wrote in message ...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/19/bush.iran/index.html


Bush: U.S. probes possible Iran links to 9/11.
Tehran government hiding Al Qaeda members, president says

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is harboring members of al Qaeda, and the
United States is investigating whether the Iranian government had a role
in the September 11, 2001, attacks, President Bush said Monday.

Shouldn't we change the subject to "OOOOPS! We invaded the wrong _newsgroup_!"

;-)

In article ,
says...
In article ,
Logan Shaw wrote:

Pete Dimsman wrote:
Logan Shaw wrote:
Oooops, you invaded the wrong newsgroup. This one's for pro audio
discussion. Didn't we cover that about 792 times in the last month?

And still not nearly enough.

Apparently, because despite the number of times it's been pointed out
that this is off-topic, it hasn't been enough. If it had been, people
wouldn't still be posting off-topic stuff.

There is a good reason people are getting
scared and wanting to talk about this **** everywhere they can. There
are some important parallels to the past rise to power of some very
nasty leaders, and it is happening right under your nose. You obviously
underestimate the seriousness of what is going on in the US right now.

Yes, right, of course. I disagree with your decision to post off-topic
stuff, therefore I must obviously be less aware than you about what's
going on in the US. Did it occur to you that being condescending will
not help your cause? Did it occur to you that maybe I'm not a rabid
pro-Bush guy trying to attack you because I disagree with your point
of view and instead I'm actually really just annoyed at your lack of
netiquette?

- Logan

and you don't find it a double standard to complain about off topic
posting with a off topic post
same logic that allows us to fught terrosim by invading and destroying
countrys that had nothing to do with the terrosim we accused them of

His wasn't off-topic. It was trying to steer the focus back onto
SOMETHING audio-related. Is there a post-production studio in Iran
we're talking about? No? Then the discussion is irrelevant to this
newsgroup. That's actually pretty logical and easy to see, right?
It's not necessary that you beat this to death in here. The short
history of internet discussion shows that people are already polarized
on issues like this, and arguing until you're blue in the face isn't
going to change a single person's opinion. So it's not only off-topic,
but useless posturing as well.
I'd rather read "What's the cheapest mic for capturing a canary?"
posts. At least it has something to do with audio.
My modified PZMs have a rising high frequency all the way out to
about 24KHz! Their specified top end is 18KHz. I wonder how that
happened? It could even be higher; my measurement system hits
Nyquist limits at 24KHz. ---(Obligatory audio content)
---Michael (of APP)...

In article MPG.1b6701c9c73b8ee0989788@newshost,
Michael wrote:

In article ,
says...
In article ,
Logan Shaw wrote:

Pete Dimsman wrote:
Logan Shaw wrote:
Oooops, you invaded the wrong newsgroup. This one's for pro audio
discussion. Didn't we cover that about 792 times in the last month?

And still not nearly enough.

Apparently, because despite the number of times it's been pointed out
that this is off-topic, it hasn't been enough. If it had been, people
wouldn't still be posting off-topic stuff.

There is a good reason people are getting
scared and wanting to talk about this **** everywhere they can. There
are some important parallels to the past rise to power of some very
nasty leaders, and it is happening right under your nose. You obviously
underestimate the seriousness of what is going on in the US right now.

Yes, right, of course. I disagree with your decision to post off-topic
stuff, therefore I must obviously be less aware than you about what's
going on in the US. Did it occur to you that being condescending will
not help your cause? Did it occur to you that maybe I'm not a rabid
pro-Bush guy trying to attack you because I disagree with your point
of view and instead I'm actually really just annoyed at your lack of
netiquette?

- Logan

and you don't find it a double standard to complain about off topic
posting with a off topic post
same logic that allows us to fught terrosim by invading and destroying
countrys that had nothing to do with the terrosim we accused them of

His wasn't off-topic. It was trying to steer the focus back onto
SOMETHING audio-related. Is there a post-production studio in Iran
we're talking about? No? Then the discussion is irrelevant to this
newsgroup. That's actually pretty logical and easy to see, right?
It's not necessary that you beat this to death in here. The short
history of internet discussion shows that people are already polarized
on issues like this, and arguing until you're blue in the face isn't
going to change a single person's opinion. So it's not only off-topic,
but useless posturing as well.
I'd rather read "What's the cheapest mic for capturing a canary?"
posts. At least it has something to do with audio.
My modified PZMs have a rising high frequency all the way out to
about 24KHz! Their specified top end is 18KHz. I wonder how that
happened? It could even be higher; my measurement system hits
Nyquist limits at 24KHz. ---(Obligatory audio content)
---Michael (of APP)...

and here we have another off topic post arguing about what is or isn't
off topic
you guys are just 2 funny
G

In article ,
says...
I said:
My modified PZMs have a rising high frequency all the way out to
about 24KHz! Their specified top end is 18KHz. I wonder how that
happened? It could even be higher; my measurement system hits
Nyquist limits at 24KHz. ---(Obligatory audio content)
---Michael (of APP)...

and here we have another off topic post arguing about what is or isn't
off topic
you guys are just 2 funny
G

Hmm. Maybe you should read the whole post before inserting foot...
Normally you bring a decent audio discussion in here. What's with
all the gaff here lately?
---Michael (of APP)...

ThePaulThomas wrote:
Pete Dimsman wrote in message
...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/19/bush.iran/index.html


Bush: U.S. probes possible Iran links to 9/11.
Tehran government hiding Al Qaeda members, president says

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is harboring members of al Qaeda, and the
United States is investigating whether the Iranian government had a
role in the September 11, 2001, attacks, President Bush said Monday.

Shouldn't we change the subject to "OOOOPS! We invaded the wrong
_newsgroup_!"


No, "Ooops We Invaded The Wrong Thread".

geoff

In article MPG.1b672e70a884f64898978b@newshost,
Michael wrote:

In article ,
says...
I said:
My modified PZMs have a rising high frequency all the way out to
about 24KHz! Their specified top end is 18KHz. I wonder how that
happened? It could even be higher; my measurement system hits
Nyquist limits at 24KHz. ---(Obligatory audio content)
---Michael (of APP)...

and here we have another off topic post arguing about what is or isn't
off topic
you guys are just 2 funny
G

Hmm. Maybe you should read the whole post before inserting foot...
Normally you bring a decent audio discussion in here. What's with
all the gaff here lately?
---Michael (of APP)...

tthe essence of your post was off topic
adding a unrelated bit of pointless audio does not make it on topic
if you wanted to be on topic you could have left off all the other stuff
except your pzm issue
G

Normally you bring a decent audio discussion in here. What's with
all the gaff here lately?
---Michael (of APP)...

The seriousness of the crimes GW Bush is committing takes precedence
over audio at this time
this is no time for banter about directional esoteric cables
we are discussing the very survival of freedom and the damage GW is
doing to it
G

"George" wrote in message


Normally you bring a decent audio discussion in here. What's with
all the gaff here lately?

Hysteria, pure and simple.

The seriousness of the crimes GW Bush is committing takes precedence
over audio at this time

But George, your bellyaching about something that only you can change for
you, and then not until 11/2/2004, is a waste of all of our time, yourself
included.

this is no time for banter about directional esoteric cables

Then go hit the streets or the election committee office of your choice,
George.

we are discussing the very survival of freedom and the damage GW is doing
to it

No George, you're merely obsessing and spinning your wheels. You're imposing
your will on people who don't agree with your priorities, just like you
accuse others of doing.

No George, you're merely obsessing and spinning your wheels. You're imposing
your will on people who don't agree with your priorities, just like you
accuse others of doing.



no I am forcing people to examine thier core beliefs, I don't care what
they post here, the constant pointing out of the crimes against freedom
committed by this administration will cause a few to pause and
reconsider pulling the lever for GW at the election
I hope I can influence them consider voting for thier own self intrests
beacuse they are getting both side of the situation

we have a caprious adminstration who is trying desperatly to rewrite the
constitution to make this a police state(IMO)
and what make you think I am not active locally?

"George" wrote in message


No George, you're merely obsessing and spinning your wheels. You're
imposing your will on people who don't agree with your priorities,
just like you accuse others of doing.

no I am forcing people to examine thier core beliefs,

You're delusional, George. All you're doing is provoke a lot of posturing.

All you're doing is provoking a lot of OT posting.

I don't care what they post here, the constant pointing out of the crimes
against
freedom committed by this administration will cause a few to pause and
reconsider pulling the lever for GW at the election

You're delusional, George. Your arguing is so narrow and pointless that it
is easy to dismiss.

I hope I can influence them consider voting for thier own self
intrests beacuse they are getting both side of the situation

All they're getting George is a good laugh out of your illiterate, poorly
thought-out spew.

we have a caprious adminstration who is trying desperatly to rewrite
the constitution to make this a police state(IMO)
and what make you think I am not active locally?

You have way too much time to spend here, George to have much of a life
locally. OTOH George, perhaps the locals can see you for what you are, and
try to limit your activities on their behalf.

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"George" wrote in message


No George, you're merely obsessing and spinning your wheels. You're
imposing your will on people who don't agree with your priorities,
just like you accuse others of doing.

no I am forcing people to examine thier core beliefs,

You're delusional, George. All you're doing is provoke a lot of posturing.

All you're doing is provoking a lot of OT posting.

I don't care what they post here, the constant pointing out of the crimes
against
freedom committed by this administration will cause a few to pause and
reconsider pulling the lever for GW at the election

You're delusional, George. Your arguing is so narrow and pointless that it
is easy to dismiss.

I hope I can influence them consider voting for thier own self
intrests beacuse they are getting both side of the situation

All they're getting George is a good laugh out of your illiterate, poorly
thought-out spew.

we have a caprious adminstration who is trying desperatly to rewrite
the constitution to make this a police state(IMO)
and what make you think I am not active locally?

You have way too much time to spend here, George to have much of a life
locally. OTOH George, perhaps the locals can see you for what you are, and
try to limit your activities on their behalf.



as always Arny when you are up against the wall you attack the spelling
and grammer, plus you insuate what my reasons and thoughts are
neither of which you could possibly have any idea of
back under the bridge for you,little troll
G

"George" wrote in message


as always Arny when you are up against the wall you attack the
spelling and grammer,

No George, I'm just trying to encourage you to rexamine your inner core
beliefs.

Notice George that you just claimed that:

"I am forcing people to examine thier core beliefs"

IOW George, you are bragging about your use of force on people. You are
bragging that you are able to make them do something that is against their
will. You are invading their privacy and their disrupting theircontrol over
their own minds.

What does all this forcable activity make you, George?

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:17:20 -0500, Pete Dimsman
wrote:




Your pro audio discussions are going to be pretty insignificant in short
order the way things are headed.


We certainly appreciate your earnestness.

- But -

Give it a break. Everyone here is on usenet. Do you honestly think we
have any trouble finding news? We get it from dozens of other sources
we trust. Believe me, we know where to look when we want to find the
news. Now we need some help finding Pro Audio talk.


Seriously, let rec.pro.audio go, Pete.


Kurt Riemann

"playon" playonATcomcast.net wrote in message


No George, you're merely obsessing and spinning your wheels. You're
imposing your will on people who don't agree with your priorities,
just like you accuse others of doing.

No one is forcing you to read this read.

This is about George, not me. George has said that he advocates forcing
people to think as he wishes, and justifies his OT posting on those grounds.

Mark Plancke wrote:

Well, it's been next on the list to invade (aka liberate) for while
hasn't it?


Next year?

Kurt Riemann wrote:


Give it a break. Everyone here is on usenet. Do you honestly think we
have any trouble finding news? We get it from dozens of other sources
we trust. Believe me, we know where to look when we want to find the
news.

News? Isn't that the whole point? People have a need to discuss and
decide what is REALLY happening. This is important. News is not always
telling us the real scoop.

Why discuss audio? You can just read the manuals. You can read the
books. The point is the news group is here to discuss real world
applications of those manuals and books. People talking about hands on
experience.

The manual says use the small d for over head, the large d for vocals.
But wait, someone here found something different worked great in a
certain situation, lets discuss.

I agree it would be good if I could discuss the off topic stuff
elsewhere, but with the people here. I wish we could have an off topic
section. I don't want to go to the political news group with a bunch of
people I know nothing about and battle it out there, it is really much
less meaningful, and even more partisan than here, that is for sure.

Now we need some help finding Pro Audio talk.

But that is a **** poor argument. Who is stopping you? Who forces you to
read the ot stuff? You can still find plenty of threads on the best
200 microphone. And it is archived for all eternity g

I apoligize and do agree it is a pain to click through all this crap to
find the real audio threads, but they are still there. And you are still
free to post and respond to them. In fact Phil Allison is just dying to
hear from you g.

It would be much better if we could have another section to spew this
other stuff in. Can't somebody set it up?

Pete Dimsman wrote:

In fact Phil Allison is just dying to
hear from you g.


So you're saying that Phil Allison, is indeed, Mixerman.

On 2004-07-20, Arny Krueger wrote:

Notice George that you just claimed that:

"I am forcing people to examine thier core beliefs"

IOW George, you are bragging about your use of force on people. You
are bragging that you are able to make them do something that is
against their will. You are invading their privacy and their
disrupting theircontrol over their own minds.

Oh yeah, I know what you're talking about. There's a word for it
when it's done by adults to minors : education.

What does all this forcable activity make you, George?

Er... a dad ?

--
André Majorel URL:http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/
Sauvez un phoque, mangez un eskimo.

"Don Cooper" wrote in message
...


Mark Plancke wrote:

Well, it's been next on the list to invade (aka liberate) for while
hasn't it?


Next year?

I don't think they can do it before then. Not only that, they'd be breaking
the 'one lie to get us into a war per president' rule, which has been in
place since JFK at least.

jb

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"George" wrote in message


as always Arny when you are up against the wall you attack the
spelling and grammer,

No George, I'm just trying to encourage you to rexamine your inner core
beliefs.

Notice George that you just claimed that:

"I am forcing people to examine thier core beliefs"

IOW George, you are bragging about your use of force on people. You are
bragging that you are able to make them do something that is against their
will. You are invading their privacy and their disrupting theircontrol over
their own minds.

What does all this forcable activity make you, George?




I dunno?
not very good at selecting adjectives?
g

What does all this forcable activity make you, George?

Er... a dad ?

hey! that was consentual, at least for the first few years:-)
g

reddred wrote:

Next year?

I don't think they can do it before then. Not only that, they'd be breaking
the 'one lie to get us into a war per president' rule, which has been in
place since JFK at least.


Maybe it's been modified to "per term".

On 20 Jul 2004 08:16:48 -0700,
(ThePaulThomas) wrote:



Shouldn't we change the subject to "OOOOPS! We invaded the wrong _newsgroup_!"


Exactly. Nail on the head.
Good call, Paul.


====================
Tracy Wintermute

Rushcreek Ranch
====================

"Andre Majorel" wrote in message

On 2004-07-20, Arny Krueger wrote:

Notice George that you just claimed that:

"I am forcing people to examine thier core beliefs"

IOW George, you are bragging about your use of force on people. You
are bragging that you are able to make them do something that is
against their will. You are invading their privacy and their
disrupting theircontrol over their own minds.

Oh yeah, I know what you're talking about. There's a word for it
when it's done by adults to minors : education.

Agreed, but of course the context of RAP is different than the home.

What does all this forcable activity make you, George?

Er... a dad ?

Totally appropriate in some contexts, but not this one.

"George" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

"George" wrote in message


as always Arny when you are up against the wall you attack the
spelling and grammer,

No George, I'm just trying to encourage you to rexamine your inner
core beliefs.

Notice George that you just claimed that:

"I am forcing people to examine thier core beliefs"

IOW George, you are bragging about your use of force on people. You
are bragging that you are able to make them do something that is
against their will. You are invading their privacy and their
disrupting theircontrol over their own minds.

What does all this forcable activity make you, George?

I dunno? not very good at selecting adjectives?

Come on George, if you can't say what you mean, why should we pay a moment's
attention to *anything* you write? If you are going to set yourself up as
some kind of leader or authority, at least try to pretend that you can play
the role.

I think your statement was very telling. In fact George you're playing the
role of a disruptive child around here. If you did it at a in-person meeting
of adults, you'd be shunned.

"playon" playonATcomcast.net wrote in message

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:02:50 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"playon" playonATcomcast.net wrote in message


No George, you're merely obsessing and spinning your wheels. You're
imposing your will on people who don't agree with your priorities,
just like you accuse others of doing.

No one is forcing you to read this read.

This is about George, not me. George has said that he advocates
forcing people to think as he wishes, and justifies his OT posting
on those grounds.

I can read, and that is not what he said.

Playon, how can you judge George properly when you are caught up in the same
paranoia and agresssive behavior patterns?

There are over 20,000 Usenet forums, at least a 1,000 that are dedicated to
politics and social issues. Guys like you and George are obviously afraid to
play with even the small boys in political discussions.

Arny Krueger wrote:

If you did it at a in-person meeting
of adults, you'd be shunned.


Oh no! Not the shunning! Anything but the shunning!

playon wrote:

They can't do it unless they restart the draft.


I think Will would look darn good in a uniform.

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:19:22 -0400, Don Cooper
wrote:



playon wrote:

They can't do it unless they restart the draft.


I think Will would look darn good in a uniform.

I would gladly suit up to oppose those who chant death to America
and want the destruction of us, Israel and democracy altogether.
You wouldnt?

Randall

Randall Shawver wrote:

I would gladly suit up to oppose those who chant death to America
and want the destruction of us, Israel and democracy altogether.
You wouldnt?


Let's roll!

USA! USA! USA!

The seriousness of the crimes GW Bush is committing takes precedence
over audio at this time

This is one of the first concepts that fascism wanted to impose to us
in Italy.. "things that takes precedence".. a really awful matter...
There are many and many newsgroups for a thread like your and you want
to impose us to discuss it..
Now I have a question: WHO decide what "takes precedence"? You? the
King? Bush? Saddam?
I'll freely won't be stop speackin' hi-fi/lo-fi matters, and I hope
everybody will do the same.
I really can't easily immagine someone interested in gettin' a good
banjo sound at war.. while I could do it for someone who likes to
impose its questions.

Regards.

P.S.: sorry for my English..
Ciao,
Pietro

I think your statement was very telling. In fact George you're playing the
role of a disruptive child around here. If you did it at a in-person meeting
of adults, you'd be shunned.

you say all this as if you have a point or that your rantings have any
authority
LOL
Come see me at AES I will give you twice this in person

g