Strictly a "Buy It Now" listing, not an auction. If interested, please
follow the link below for item details and the actual insured UPS Ground
shipping cost to your door. Thanks for looking!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3733825416

As usual, a BIN listing only; not an auction. Thanks for looking!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3734176987

In article writes:

As usual, a BIN listing only; not an auction. Thanks for looking!

If you have a price in mind, why not post it first here, where there
might be some people who know what it is and know it's value, rather
than go the eBay route (which puts off some of us)?

You might make a sale, and a friend.



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However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

Mike Rivers wrote:


If you have a price in mind, why not post it first here, where there
might be some people who know what it is and know it's value, rather
than go the eBay route (which puts off some of us)?

You might make a sale, and a friend.


Actually the price is quite good. Someone should buy it, great piece of
gear.

In article writes:

Actually the price is quite good. Someone should buy it, great piece of
gear.

Someone probably will. I wasn't complaining about the price, I was
complaining about the process. I have to be really desperate to buy
something through eBay. I just don't like it, that's all. And I know
that while I may in the minority here, I'm not alone.



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I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
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Mike Rivers wrote:

Someone probably will. I wasn't complaining about the price, I was
complaining about the process. I have to be really desperate to buy
something through eBay. I just don't like it, that's all. And I know
that while I may in the minority here, I'm not alone.

He set a good price, no games. I'm sure somebody could work out a deal
without using ebay. Just ask.

"Mike Rivers" wrote in message
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In article writes:

Actually the price is quite good. Someone should buy it, great piece of
gear.

Someone probably will. I wasn't complaining about the price, I was
complaining about the process. I have to be really desperate to buy
something through eBay. I just don't like it, that's all. And I know
that while I may in the minority here, I'm not alone.

It took me a while to get over my e-bay phobia, too; but I've since bought
& sold a few things there. Yeah you've got to be careful, and all, but I've
done business with Kathryn (the seller/original poster) once before, and
can vouch for her to that extent, so if anyone wants this item I wouldn't
let the e-bay factor turn you off.
--


Neil Henderson
Saqqara Records
http://www.saqqararecords.com

In article OSPAM writes:

It took me a while to get over my e-bay phobia, too; but I've since bought
& sold a few things there. Yeah you've got to be careful, and all

You can only be so careful (though that's true with any sale when
you're not there in person). With me it's not that I distrust the
seller (no real reason to) but that often with eBay sales (and I
didn't even look at this one) the only payment method accepted is
PayPay, and I distrust that. Plus the fact that because there's a
commission to eBay, the price is necessarily going to be higher than a
person-to-person deal, with no benefit to the buyer in exchange for
the higher price.

I've bought things through eBay too, but I have always wished that
there was another source, or another way. The few times when I've
e-mailed the seller and made him an offer on a direct sale if he
didn't get a satisfactory bid, I've always been "outbid," and in most
instances, unreasonably so (at least I thought). So I wouldn't have
make the purchase anyway.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me he double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

The few times when I've
e-mailed the seller and made him an offer on a direct sale if he
didn't get a satisfactory bid, I've always been "outbid," and in most
instances, unreasonably so (at least I thought). So I wouldn't have
make the purchase anyway. BRBR

....Offering further proof that A Ebay is great if you're the seller and B
There's a sucker born every minute.

As a buyer I've been luckier than most. I haven't been bitten yet, and though
creative searching I was able to get a pair of "Scheops" CMC6s and a
"Soundelex" PTM, both at *very* good prices.




Joe Egan
EMP
Colchester, VT
www.eganmedia.com

Mike Rivers wrote:

I've bought things through eBay too, but I have always wished that
there was another source, or another way. The few times when I've
e-mailed the seller and made him an offer on a direct sale if he
didn't get a satisfactory bid, I've always been "outbid," and in most
instances, unreasonably so (at least I thought). So I wouldn't have
make the purchase anyway.

I've had a couple of cases like that (seller has an item up, I email for more info, turns out he has several of the item & I want a half dozen or more of them) where the off-eBay sale went perfectly.

I've had a couple of others (one where I knew the seller) where the seller was either offended that I asked, or afraid of the wrath of eBay for breaking their T&C's. From what I can see, eBay is telling people not to buy or sell outside of eBay because they lose the "protection" that eBay and PayPal allegedly provide to both parties. This "protection" is in the same league as UPS & FedEx shipment "insurance" as far as I'm concerned.

/lurk

Mike Rivers wrote:

If you have a price in mind, why not post it
first here, where there might be some
people who know what it is and know it's
value, rather than go the eBay route
(which puts off some of us)?

Hi Mike,

Thanks for your question. Actually, I have sold lots of items using
Usenet ads alone down through the years. I still do so on rare
occasion. That method can obviously allow a seller to ask less than an
eBay price, due to the eBay fee and the PayPal fee, if applicable.
Regardless, the main two reasons that I still generally go the eBay
route these days with non-auction, "Buy It Now" FS listings are that:

1) eBay is far more efficient, IME. The item description, the asking
price, the type(s) of payment accepted, the capability of the buyer to
calculate the actual shipping cost to their door, feedback about the
seller left by previous buyers over years of time (versus
seller-provided "web references"), a link to contact the seller directly
if additional info about an item or a description clarification is
desired, "completed sales" searches that can reflect the item's recent
market value/trend to 'some' degree...it's all there in one spot and it
usually simplifies the whole transaction process greatly by eliminating
a good bit of buyer apprehension, "email tag", and the time and energy
expended by both of the parties involved.

2) eBay's relatively new "immediate payment required" Buy It Now
listing now makes the whole sale process almost instantaneous for both
parties. It also very effectively shields the seller from the problems
caused by deadbeat buyers and those who fail to read or choose to
outright ignore the conditions of sale. (I only sell within the
contiguous United States, for example).

Because an "immediate payment required" listing can't be ended unless
certain criteria are met and payment has already been made, deadbeats
and ineligible buyers are therefore blocked from buying. That means that
the seller is no longer left waiting for a payment that never arrives
and/or forced to jump through eBay's required (and very time-consuming)
hoops simply to obtain a credit for the fees automatically charged for
what was a supposedly "successful" sale. Instead, the transaction is
easily and properly completed and the item is able to be shipped and
delivered in a very timely manner. (For example, if a transaction is
completed early enough for me to make to UPS before it closes, I almost
always ship the very same business day.)

The only limitation to the "immediate payment required" listing -- at
least in my opinion and particular case -- is that "immediate payment
required" = PayPal only. As you accurately stated in your post, PayPal
does indeed put off some valid and knowledgeable potential buyers. And,
I can *fully* understand that not everyone wishes to be a "Pay Pal". g
But, in recent years, it's been more my personal experience that 'not'
offering and accepting PayPal payment decidedly discourages more buyers
than it encourages and can often 'cost' one a sale. A majority of web
buyers prefer the convenience and speed of doing it all online is my
take on that.

Anyway, Mike... That's my waaaaay too verbose response to your concise
question.

--------------------

P.S. And, hey! Thank you very much, Neil Henderson, for your positive
input regarding our eBay transaction and again for your purchase of the
BB. Best wishes!

P.P.S. Blatant plug alert:

The Trakker I had on eBay is still available. USPS Money Orders and
PayPal accepted, at the lower and _firm_ "non-eBay" prices of $1500 and
$1550 respectively, plus the actual insured UPS Ground shipping cost.
Serious inquiries only, please. Thanks.

lurk