I DO back *most* of what
this administration is all about. Here's why: Kerry is a flip-flopping
idiot who doesn't even know his own mind... how can I support that? How can
anyone?

Kerry is no panacea, I'll grant you. But neither does he sport the Bush
trinity of hubris, greed and stupidity.


Bush at least has convictions and you know
what you get with Bush... you get a man who is determined to crack the
terrorist agenda & put away those people that threaten that which we (and
by "we", I mean all of us, on BOTH sides of the fence) hold so dear...
freedom. Get it? If that is all Bush does, then he will have done a great
service to not only our nation, but the entire free world.

What if he doesn't crack the terrorist agenda? What if he merely continues to
throw gasoline on the fire of terrorism? You think it's gonna burn itself out?
There are a cubic ****load of dirt poor Muslims in the world who are taught
that the sufferings of this world will be mitigated by the next. Give them
more to suffer over and you'll wind up with more of them who are willing to
expedite their trip to the afterlife. And as I said, there are a *lot* of
them. The Israelis have done a great job of showing how easy it is to "crack
the terrorist agenda" by treating people like ****. When you take away every
civilised option for dissent you only leave the uncivilised ones. And there
are a *lot* of people whose civility is being stripped.

This is not about appeasement. It's about acting like human beings confined to
a single planet: something the current president has demonstrated he knows
*very* little about.


Joe Egan
EMP
Colchester, VT
www.eganmedia.com

EganMedia wrote:
I DO back *most* of what
this administration is all about. Here's why: Kerry is a flip-flopping
idiot who doesn't even know his own mind... how can I support that? How can
anyone?

Kerry is no panacea, I'll grant you. But neither does he sport the Bush
trinity of hubris, greed and stupidity.

Hell, I'm flip-flopping half the time too. I can't even decide if I can
really hear the difference between the Mogami and BLUE tube mike cables.
People are like that. Flexible people change as the information they get
changes. You gotta do that.

Hell, if you asked me a decade ago, I'd have said analogue decrackling was
inherently more effective than doing it digitally. I don't think so any more.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Bush at least has convictions and you know
what you get with Bush...

Do you mean like in the 2000 debates where he said the US should never be
involved in nation building? That conviction?



---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

WillStG wrote:

Unless that lie has them in the gutter with a needle in their arm, right
George? That lie you think is ok, that kind of killing is ok.


Check out William F. Buckley's views on this subject. He was a
Conservative before you knew the meaning of the word!


Don

Brendan Doyle
However, there is a HUGE and very important difference between the lies
told by Bill Clinton and those told (daily) by George W. Bush. The
difference is that what Clinton lied about getting a blow job - which
had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with how he was running the country, and
was NOBODY'S BUSINESS but his, his family's, and Monica Lewinsky's

You see, this is where YOU are repeating lies. First off Clinton's affair
(it WASN"T "just a blow job", ask Monica) was not the issue, Clinton's lie was
that he swore to "tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth"
and he held the highest Law Enforcement and Prosecutoral position in the World.


Secondly the oft repeated claim "Bush lied" is categorically false. But
you guys on the left don't care, no matter how much damage it does to the
Nation. You just want power at any cost, and you'll make up the most
outrageous bullcrap to further your political goals. Bush destabilized the
Middle east? Bullcrap. Spare me the sanctimony about how you feel about lies.


Not
my business, not your business, and not the Congress's business. The
whole thing was based on illegally obtained evidence, and was an
illegitimate witch hunt from the start.

You lie well because you WANT to beleive it. Clinton was not only
impeached, he was also disbarred as a Lawyer, even for a weasal Lawyer it's a
serious violation of his oath. You get called before the Bar of Justice you
have to tell the truth, period. And as the testimony of a Cop carries more
weight than a suspects, so a lie from a Cop is subject to greater penalty.
Clinton was our nations' top Cop, and his lies undermined the whole legal
system.

But you make excuses for him because you think his holding poltical power
was so sacred that that purpose covers his sins.
You guys attach a religious holy meaning to hlding power, and as you view
everyone who disagres with you as immoral,
Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

Brendan Doyle
Bull****. I'm not mistaking anything; read Will's words again:

WIllStG But Clinton's lies didn't bother you, right? Because he
*had to*
lie, the holy cause of a Democratic Presidency might have been compromised
had he told the truth, he lied for a good cause right?

Brendan Where the hell does he get off assuming that these preposterous
statements represent my views - needing only to be confirmed by him by
asking "right?"

So the Lady doth protests. And then in the very next post Brendan
writes...

"The difference is that what Clinton lied about getting a blow job - which
had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with how he was running the country, and was
NOBODY'S BUSINESS but his, his family's, and Monica Lewinsky's. Not
my business, not your business, and not the Congress's business. The
whole thing was based on illegally obtained evidence, and was an
illegitimate witch hunt from the start."

But where the hell do I get off asking you rhetorically, "You didn't care
about Clinton's lies, did you?"

Pah. You are an apologist when it suits your politics.



Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

: (Tammy)
Clinton's lies didn't kill anyone.

Clinton lied about an affair. George Bush lied to commit treason.

You tell me. In your opinion - Which is worse, treason or an affair?

Do you still abuse your boyfriend?

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

The "decadent" Saudi regime is 7% of our economy. Nobody's falling.

We have withdrawn our troops from Saudi Arabia. You ready to back John
Kerry seizing the Saudi oil fields?



Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

Lou Gimenez
so then why aren't you outraged by bush/cheneys lying?

Because they *aren't*, and didn't. But you trying to spin it that way does
**** me off.




Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

WillStG wrote:

Lou Gimenez
so then why aren't you outraged by bush/cheneys lying?

Because they *aren't*, and didn't. But you trying to spin it that way does
**** me off.

You must live in a vacuum. Ever ****ed in a vacuum?


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

In article ,
ospam (WillStG) wrote:

WIllStG:
But Clinton's lies didn't bother you, right? Because he
*had to* lie, the holy cause of a Democratic Presidency might have been
compromised had he told the truth, he lied for a good cause right?

Brendan:
Where the hell does he get off assuming that these preposterous
statements represent my views - needing only to be confirmed by him by
asking "right?"

So the Lady doth protests. And then in the very next post Brendan
writes...

Lady? What lady? My wife would be surprised at that statement. I notice
you've studiously avoided responding to my calling you on your dishonest
"debating" tactics. Hit a nerve, eh?


The difference is that what Clinton lied about getting a blow job -
which had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with how he was running the country,
and was NOBODY'S BUSINESS but his, his family's, and Monica Lewinsky's.
Not my business, not your business, and not the Congress's business. The
whole thing was based on illegally obtained evidence, and was an
illegitimate witch hunt from the start."

But where the hell do I get off asking you rhetorically, "You didn't
care about Clinton's lies, did you?"

Pah. You are an apologist when it suits your politics.

Just stating the facts, fella. Pah, yourself. Yes, where the hell do you
get off putting words in other peoples mouths, as you construct
uninformed fantasy "wacko" personas for each person that takes issue
with your often preposterous and easily refutable assertions.

I've noticed that you just can't STAND not to have the last word in
every discussion. Well, here's your chance, as I will be away from
computers for an extended period starting in a few hours, and will be
mercifully unaware of your inevitable vitriolic retort. Spew at will. Or
rather, from Will...

--
Brendan Doyle

In article ,
ospam (WillStG) wrote:

Brendan Doyle
However, there is a HUGE and very important difference between the lies
told by Bill Clinton and those told (daily) by George W. Bush. The
difference is that what Clinton lied about getting a blow job - which
had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with how he was running the country, and
was NOBODY'S BUSINESS but his, his family's, and Monica Lewinsky's

You see, this is where YOU are repeating lies. First off Clinton's affair
(it WASN"T "just a blow job", ask Monica) was not the issue, Clinton's lie
was
that he swore to "tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth"

Who the hell cares if it was a blow job or an affair? That's just
blowing smoke, and you know it. The point is that none of it was ever
anybody's business but the people personally involved, and had no
bearing whatsoever on the governing of the nation. Of course Clinton
should not have lied about it, oath or no oath, but the whole
investigation was an illegitimate kangaroo court from the start, and
should never have occurred. As I said before (after your dishonest
rhetorical "right?") I do not condone lying by any public official of
any political party or persuasion. At the same time, I have the sense to
distinguish the huge qualitative difference between lies concerning
personal matters and lies concerning matters of national security and
justification for war. If you lack the ability to discern this glaring
but crucial distinction, then it appears you are not equipped to argue
the matter in any meaningful capacity.


and he held the highest Law Enforcement and Prosecutoral position in the
World.

Come again? the president is neither a law enforcement officer nor a
prosecuter, and I don't seem to remember him being elected to rule "the
world". Come to think if it, I don't seem to remember him being elected
at all.


Secondly the oft repeated claim "Bush lied" is categorically false.

Wow. You ARE living in a fantasy world. Berhaps you'd better get away
from Fox "News" before your observational skills atrophy completely. It
is abundantly evident to the large majority of humans living on this
planet that the "Emperor" has no clothes - but you might want to start
checking your own wardrobe in the mirror if you can make such a
ludicrous and flabbergasting assertion with a straight face. There's no
point in pursuing this one further. If you'd like to do so yourself, in
your own words, "google it" - but don't waste your time googling your
precious Fox "News" or the Washington Times unless you simply want to
reinforce your self-deception; there is no dearth of credible and
verifiable sources containing actual facts. By the way, if you honestly
believe your own astounding statement above, you're the perfect customer
for this lovely bridge in Brooklyn that I can let you have for real
cheap - whaddaya say?


But you guys on the left don't care, no matter how much damage it does to
the Nation.

Ah, there it is. I figured it was just a matter of time until you showed
your true colors as just another jingoistic demagogue: dare to challenge
the honesty of the president (no matter the flood of supporting
evidence), and suddenly I'm "damaging the Nation." Rather than argue
this point myself, I will let Theodore Roosevelt do so, as I could never
match his eloquence on the subject:

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of
public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree
which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or
inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the
Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there
should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means
that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to
praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen
is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of
the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong,
is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the
American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any
one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or
unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

--Teddy Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star, May 7, 1918

Take it up with Teddy. And when it comes to damaging the nation, I could
strive mightily my whole life and never begin to approach the damage
that Bush & Co. have wreaked in three and a half years; even in the
happy eventuality that he is ousted this fall, it will take generations
to undo that damage to our reputation, our credibility, our
international alliances, our security, our environment, and our
freedoms.


You just want power at any cost, and you'll make up the most
outrageous bullcrap to further your political goals.

This is just mindless vitriol, which is the usual hysterical recourse of
the demagogue whose "arguments" are exposed as intellectually bankrupt.
You have absolutely no idea what my "political goals" are, as I have
never expressed them here. Point dismissed.


Bush destabilized the Middle east? Bullcrap.

Back in the fantasy world, I see. Eyes squeezed shut tight, hands over
ears, shouting "I can't hear you, I can't hear you!" to the world. Well,
you're fooling not anyone but yourself.


Spare me the sanctimony about how you feel about lies.

You asked for it yourself when you put words in my mouth which I never
uttered, followed by "right?" in a clumsy attempt to pigeonhole me. Then
have the grace to accept my answer to your question at face value; you
have no grounds to assume otherwise. If you didn't want to know, you
shouldn't have asked. And when it comes to sanctimony, it's a bit like
the pot calling the kettle black.


Not
my business, not your business, and not the Congress's business. The
whole thing was based on illegally obtained evidence, and was an
illegitimate witch hunt from the start.

You lie well because you WANT to beleive it.

More baseless vitriol. Because you cannot refute this point with any
credibility, rather than address it with a reasoned argument, you resort
to calling the messenger of the uncomfortable truth a liar. This speaks
volumes about your character - and I'm not the first one here to notice
that recurring habit.


Clinton was not only
impeached, he was also disbarred as a Lawyer, even for a weasal Lawyer it's a
serious violation of his oath. You get called before the Bar of Justice you
have to tell the truth, period. And as the testimony of a Cop carries more
weight than a suspects, so a lie from a Cop is subject to greater penalty.
Clinton was our nations' top Cop,

Where do you get this crackpot idea that the president is "our nations'
top Cop"? "Policeman" is not part of the job description. That
responsibility lies with a different member of the administration, the
attorney general. Back to civics class.

And if you believe that a lie from the president ("top cop" or no) "is
subject to greater penalty," then it seems that George Bush is going to
have one hell of a price to pay; he has long since passed the "three
strikes" threshhold. Somehow, though, I think he'll be given a free
pass, given the makeup of Congress and the Supreme Court. (Can you say
"hypocrisy"?)


and his lies undermined the whole legal system.

Now how's that for hyperbole? If our entire legal system is "undermined"
every time someone lies under oath, I'd have to conclude that we have a
pretty flimsy and pathetic legal system. However, it seems pretty robust
to me, and I'm reasonably sure that the republic will survive this
horrific assault.

Yes, Clinton stupidly lied under oath, and paid the price for doing so.
He should have known that would be the consequence, and told the truth
from the start. But consider this: if he had told the truth at the
outset, the whole bogus "investigation" would have lost traction as a
groundless witchhunt, and your precious Republican party would have been
left grinding its collective teeth to bloody stubs. It was the single
stupidest thing Clinton ever did. And as I stated clearly in my previous
post, I'm no champion of Bill Clinton, for many reasons (which you can't
begin to make assumptions about, because I have not stated them here).


But you make excuses for him because you think his holding poltical power
was so sacred that that purpose covers his sins.
You guys attach a religious holy meaning to hlding power, and as you view
everyone who disagres with you as immoral,

"You guys"? You're so full of **** that I can smell it all the way
across the country. It's a sorry and embarrassing, if tediously
repetitious, spectacle to watch you reduced to spewing groundless
vitriol at people you know next to nothing about, just because you
haven't a leg to stand on when it comes to debating on the facts. I
guess Faux News really is your kind of organization after all. Good
match.

You will undoubtedly have the last venomous word, as always. In my case,
however, it will fall on deaf ears, as I will be away from computers for
an extended period starting in a few hours. Enjoy firing your next
geyser of vitriol my way. But remember that others are watching as you
illuminate your true character under that increasingly threadbare veneer
of civility.

--
Brendan Doyle

In article ,
ospam (WillStG) wrote:

Lou Gimenez
so then why aren't you outraged by bush/cheneys lying?

Because they *aren't*, and didn't. But you trying to spin it that way
does
**** me off.




Will, you need some rest, you actually saidBush and Cheney are not liars
this is either asleep deprived error or your a liar as well
George

"WillStG" wrote in message
...

The "decadent" Saudi regime is 7% of our economy. Nobody's falling.

We have withdrawn our troops from Saudi Arabia. You ready to back
John
Kerry seizing the Saudi oil fields?


If he tried I would treat him exactly the way I treat Bush
Political affiliation means NOTHING to me
a man is judged by his actions
this is why GW is Judged evil and must be removed for office
it is not beacuse he is republican it is beacuse he is a horrible leader who
creates havoc in his wake, a legacy of stupidity, arrogence, and
beligerance with every word he says and every move he makes
I really don't give a A Rats ass what party he is from.


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ospam (WillStG) wrote in message ...
: (Tammy)
Clinton's lies didn't kill anyone.

Clinton lied about an affair. George Bush lied to commit treason.

You tell me. In your opinion - Which is worse, treason or an affair?

Do you still abuse your boyfriend?

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

None of your business.

I gather that you consider Bush's treason worse than Clinton's affair.

Secondly the oft repeated claim "Bush lied" is categorically false. But
you guys on the left don't care, no matter how much damage it does to the
Nation.

Either he lied, repeated lies told to him by his advisors, or is an idiot. I'm
not prepared to say all three didn't happen. It's Bush's fanatical extremist
policies that have damaged the Nation. We just calls 'em as we sees 'em.

BTW: I thought Clinton should have resigned after his lie was outed. I don't
think it was fair that he was put in a position where he felt he had to lie,
but he made a really bad choice by deliberatley lying under oath. He demeaned
the Presidency and proved that he was willing to break the law to save his
skin. We don't need a president who puts himself in the position where he
could be blackmailed, and I think he showed that he could be.

However, as egregious as his offenses were, they can't be measured on the same
scale as George W's. Whether Bush lied knowingly, or surrounded himself with
liars, or is simply the dullard redneck he seems to be when he tries to speak,
his actions showcase his incompetence. This guy has *got* to be removed from
office. He hasn't merely demeaned the office, he has seriously ****ed up the
country and continues to make the world a more dangerous place.



Joe Egan
EMP
Colchester, VT
www.eganmedia.com

WillStG wrote:


You see, this is where YOU are repeating lies. First off Clinton's affair
(it WASN"T "just a blow job", ask Monica) was not the issue, Clinton's lie was
that he swore to "tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth"
and he held the highest Law Enforcement and Prosecutoral position in the World.



Swearing to tell the truth is a risk Bush isn't willing to take.

In article ,
S O'Neill wrote:

WillStG wrote:


You see, this is where YOU are repeating lies. First off Clinton's
affair
(it WASN"T "just a blow job", ask Monica) was not the issue, Clinton's lie
was
that he swore to "tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the
truth"
and he held the highest Law Enforcement and Prosecutoral position in the
World.



Swearing to tell the truth is a risk Bush isn't willing to take.
and the court made sure Cheneys lies about the energy policy will remain
hidden until after the election
George

"WillStG" wrote in message
...

You just want power at any cost,

And this differs from the Right how? Presidential and Senatorial candidates
of either party would run over grandmothers in the street if it would get
them elected.

Glenn D.

We have withdrawn our troops from Saudi Arabia. You ready to back
John
Kerry seizing the Saudi oil fields?


If he tried I would treat him exactly the way I treat Bush

So you would prefer a pussy president that kisses everyones ass?
Hopefully we never have a leader with no balls like you propose,
otherwise we are truly doomed.

Political affiliation means NOTHING to me
a man is judged by his actions
this is why GW is Judged evil and must be removed for office
it is not beacuse he is republican it is beacuse he is a horrible leader who
creates havoc in his wake, a legacy of stupidity, arrogence, and
beligerance with every word he says and every move he makes
I really don't give a A Rats ass what party he is from.

Some people would think your stance on drugs is evil. Should we remove
you? Or is your perception of evil what you expect the whole world to
live by? Not very democratic.

Randall

Randall Shawver wrote:

Some people would think your stance on drugs is evil. Should we remove
you? Or is your perception of evil what you expect the whole world to
live by? Not very democratic.

Randall

Here is an example (just one among many) of being not very democratic:


http://tinyurl.com/2l5a9

Report: Guantanamo Prisoners May Move to U.S.

Monday's Supreme Court rulings rebuffed President Bush (news - web
sites)'s assertion of sweeping powers to indefinitely hold "enemy
combatants" after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Administration officials told the newspaper they were unprepared for the
ruling.

"They really didn't have a specific plan for what to do, case by case,
if we lost," a senior Defense Department official was quoted as saying
in the report. "The Justice Department didn't have a plan. State didn't
have a plan.

"It's astounding to me that these cases have been pending for so long
and nobody came up with a contingency plan."

------------------------------


Right. Due process. We never thought of that.... After all, these aren't
human beings, they're enemy combatants....

In article ,
Randall Shawver wrote:

We have withdrawn our troops from Saudi Arabia. You ready to back
John
Kerry seizing the Saudi oil fields?


If he tried I would treat him exactly the way I treat Bush

So you would prefer a pussy president that kisses everyones ass?
Hopefully we never have a leader with no balls like you propose,
otherwise we are truly doomed.

Political affiliation means NOTHING to me
a man is judged by his actions
this is why GW is Judged evil and must be removed for office
it is not beacuse he is republican it is beacuse he is a horrible leader who
creates havoc in his wake, a legacy of stupidity, arrogence, and
beligerance with every word he says and every move he makes
I really don't give a A Rats ass what party he is from.

Some people would think your stance on drugs is evil. Should we remove
you? Or is your perception of evil what you expect the whole world to
live by? Not very democratic.

Randall






evil is as evil does
if I was doing evil like Gw is doing evil I would have body guards and
expect assanation attemps on me where ever I went
george

WillStG wrote:

You lie well because you WANT to beleive it.


"I" before "e"...

Here's one child who's been left behind.



Don

"Dullard redneck". I like it.


Don

Brendan Doyle
Lady? What lady? My wife would be surprised at that statement. I notice
you've studiously avoided responding to my calling you on your dishonest
"debating" tactics. Hit a nerve, eh?

"The lady doth protesteth too much methinks."
Willaim Shakespeare.

I've noticed that you just can't STAND not to have the last word in
every discussion. Well, here's your chance, as I will be away from
computers for an extended period starting in a few hours, and will be
mercifully unaware of your inevitable vitriolic retort. Spew at will. Or
rather, from Will...

You said that in your last post.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

I say it again, the claims that "Bush lied" are total bull**** partisan
rhetoric, and unsupported by the facts.


Now you've gone too far, Will! No one would *ever* stoop to that level.
Not on TV. Not in this newsgroup.


You guys are lying about Bush, and you hope to gain political advantage by
doing so.


No, just a new President. I, for one, have no intention of running for
office. (Although my Congressman is running unopposed this year. Hmmmm.
Maybe next time.)


Bush protected your ass from getting blown off by terrorists.


Thank you Georgy! I owe my life to you.

Will, you're really smart. I'm starting to come around.



Don

(EganMedia)
Either he lied, repeated lies told to him by his advisors, or is an idiot.
I'm
not prepared to say all three didn't happen. It's Bush's fanatical extremist
policies that have damaged the Nation.

That all this is often repeated does not make it true.

BTW: I thought Clinton should have resigned after his lie was outed. I
don't think it was fair that he was put in a position where he felt he had to
lie, but he made a really bad choice by deliberatley lying under oath. He
demeaned the Presidency and proved that he was willing to break the law to save
his skin. We don't need a president who puts himself in the position where he
could be blackmailed, and I think he showed that he could be.

He also just about held auctions for access to the White House, and
pardoned a bunch of criminals and terrorists when he left office because they
were clients of his relatives.

However, as egregious as his offenses were, they can't be measured on the
same
scale as George W's. Whether Bush lied knowingly, or surrounded himself with
liars, or is simply the dullard redneck he seems to be when he tries to speak,
his actions showcase his incompetence. This guy has *got* to be removed from
office. He hasn't merely demeaned the office, he has seriously ****ed up the
country and continues to make the world a more dangerous place.


Bush did not lie, that is no more than a slogan enjoyed by the "Anybody
but Bush"-ites, still disgruntled from losing the last election. Bush has
done a good job with the economy, in prosecuting the War on Terror and in
protecting the Homeland. And John Kerry is not a better candidate for the
job, he hates the projection of American power in the World, he doesn't
_beleive_ in it. Bush is by far more decisive and a better leader. A Kerry
Presidency would set back the War on Terror and cost many American lives, and
probably leave the economy in tatters as a result of terrorist attacks here in
the Homeland.



Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

"It's astounding to me that these cases have been pending for so long
and nobody came up with a contingency plan."


Well, what's your plan, you political genius, you...

WillStG wrote:

Bush did not lie, that is no more than a slogan enjoyed by the "Anybody
but Bush"-ites, still disgruntled from losing the last election.


Will, Will, Will. Many of these people supported McCain. McCain was
pushed out. If you had said "primary" instead of "election", you
wouldn't sound like such a broken record.

You act like we were born after the Supreme Court decision.


Bush has
done a good job with the economy, in prosecuting the War on Terror and in
protecting the Homeland. And John Kerry is not a better candidate for the
job, he hates the projection of American power in the World, he doesn't
_beleive_ in it.


If you're gonna highlight it, you have to learn to spell it.

I'm for accountability in our schools, too.


Don

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
...


WillStG wrote:

Lou Gimenez
so then why aren't you outraged by bush/cheneys lying?

Because they *aren't*, and didn't. But you trying to spin it that
way does
**** me off.

You must live in a vacuum. Ever ****ed in a vacuum?

I'm sorry Bob, I lack your experience in vaccum ****ing, please enlighten
us.

Who the hell cares if it was a blow job or an affair? That's just
blowing smoke, and you know it. The point is that none of it was ever
anybody's business but the people personally involved, and had no
bearing whatsoever on the governing of the nation.

Ya think..after kids all over America had to hear about his underwear on MTV.
IMO..a PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A....who does this is pretty much calling off all
bets..sheesh.

John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

Blind Joni wrote:

Ya think..after kids all over America had to hear about his underwear on MTV.
IMO..a PRESIDENT OF THE U.S.A....who does this is pretty much calling off all
bets..sheesh.


At that time, Mary Matalin called George Bush (the first),

"The Last Real President".

Of course, she had worked for him.

Who asked the question?


Don

Romeo Rondeau wrote:

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
...


WillStG wrote:


Lou Gimenez
so then why aren't you outraged by bush/cheneys lying?

Because they *aren't*, and didn't. But you trying to spin it that

way does

**** me off.

You must live in a vacuum. Ever ****ed in a vacuum?


I'm sorry Bob, I lack your experience in vaccum ****ing, please enlighten
us.

Bob leads once again with his chin. :-)


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

WillStG wrote:

And John Kerry is not a better candidate for the
job, he hates the projection of American power in the World, he doesn't
_beleive_ in it.

If that is actually truth it's enough to get my vote almost
by itself.

Bush is by far more decisive and a better leader.

Yeah, I watched him deciding while he was sitting in front
of that class knowing that NY was burning. I was awed by it.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Brendan Doyle
Who the hell cares if it was a blow job or an affair? That's just blowing
smoke, and you know it

Monica cares, and every woman whose image was trashed by the Clinton's
spinmeisters. You are a party to that with your attitude about it "just being
a blowjob". BRBR

If Monica's image was trashed it wasn't because she had an affair with Clinton.
It's because the affair was made public.

-R

(EganMedia)
Either he lied, repeated lies told to him by his advisors, or is an idiot.
I'm
not prepared to say all three didn't happen. It's Bush's fanatical extremist
policies that have damaged the Nation.

That all this is often repeated does not make it true. BRBR

Just because it is repeated doesn't mean it's not true.

Either Bush is a liar or he's incompetent. Either way it's time for a change.


-R

Bush is by far more decisive and a better leader.

Yeah, I watched him deciding while he was sitting in front
of that class knowing that NY was burning. I was awed by it.


That scene was total bull****!!! I wanna call Moore next time I hear about a
tragedy and find out how to react...stupidist scene in the film. Gee...I wonder
what he was thinking??...cutting edge all the way!!

John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

Yeah, I watched him deciding while he was sitting in front
of that class knowing that NY was burning. I was awed by it.


Again,,,just to clarify exactly what you saw in the scene...you have no idea
what he was doing..the scene assumes that you will assume...nothing more. You
think what you went in thinking. He looked pretty disturbed to me..should he
have jumped up and screamed...called his wife? whatever??
Of course there is no "right" answer...just assumptions..which is fine if we
recognize such.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

Romeo Rondeau wrote:

"It's astounding to me that these cases have been pending for so long
and nobody came up with a contingency plan."



Well, what's your plan, you political genius, you...


If he was President, your comment would make sense. As it is, a good
plan to start with is already spelled out in the Constitution, the
Geneva Convention, ... you get the idea.

(Blind Joni) wrote in message ...
Bush is by far more decisive and a better leader.

Yeah, I watched him deciding while he was sitting in front
of that class knowing that NY was burning. I was awed by it.


That scene was total bull****!!! I wanna call Moore next time I hear about a
tragedy and find out how to react...stupidist scene in the film. Gee...I wonder
what he was thinking??...cutting edge all the way!!

John, I disagree. That scene was extremely disturbing because it
*appeared* as though Bush had no idea of what to do, without the
handlers to guide him. That he did not even have the presence of mind
to cut his visit short, explain there was something he needed to
attend to, etc. spoke volumes. MM's voiceover was lame, but the
footage of the ticking minutes is fact, and our supposed leader sat
there with a pathetically dumb look on his mug and DID NOTHING.
Meanwhile, as most of us now know, Mr. Cheney was immediately whisked
away to an underground bunker and didn't even show his mug for weeks.
Why? Well, you could say it doesn't matter, but the truth is noone
will ever get to ask, and even if they did, noone will be compelled to
answer, since Bush himself, when asked if he'd testify, said "testify?
I'll come up and visit with them, but I don't testify.."