Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:42:08 +0200, Forwarder wrote:


Don Pearce wrote:


OK, I've had a bit of a think - and I've written a protocol, which I
believe would be a basis of fair testing of audio components to
resolve such issues as cable sound etc.

I invite all here to read what I suggest, and let me know if I have
either missed something, or am being unfair on one direction or
another.

http://www.donepearce.plus.com/odds/dbt/

I think this could be a way of defusing the vituperation that
currently surrounds the subject.

So what do you think?


Hello Mr Pearce,

What you suggest seems reasonable. We have done a very similar test with
great success (for speaker cables).


Yeah, riiiiggght. That's what Zipser claimed - *before* the 'Sunshine
Trials' proved him wrong.

So there was nothing wrong with the "sunshine trials" then? The
"sunshine trials" are RPOVEN to be %100 applicable to this conundrum
then? Nothing at all imanginable? Never ever concievable that there
might have been something WRONG! with the "sunshine trials" ?



In fact, after we did the test and
tried it out again and again just to be sure, I sent a mail to James
Randi himself, stating that I was ready to take the million dollar
challenge with the subject matter being distinguishing between speaker
cables. James Randi refused my challenge stating that "I accept, wire is
not wire"...


Interesting that you are still ducking *my* challenge.........

Don't you know how to read? What are we trying to agree on with Don
Pearce here? And what's with the .............. ?????????????????



What I do not understand about this "vituperation" is that why is it
that some of you engineer types are not agreeing to do a reverse "test".
Just get yourself some demo exotic cables from a slimy high-end boutique
and plug them in to your systems (provided that you guys have any such
corresponding "system"s as some of us audiophools do). Do they have any
effect? Just listen and tell us. Just do it.


Done it, many times. No audible difference, not ever.


You are a lying prick. You yourself have stated that you were a "tweeko"
once. You have those tweeking gadgets in the picts of your website
(though not employed). You obviously bought them in your time since you
heard them doing something. Then you were exposed to these
"tests"........................................... ...................

You OWN A KRELL for chrissakes! Nuff said. Now go spit in the mirror.
Anyone as such a detestable, disgusting blowhard freak like you, should
spend at least 15 minutes each day making disgusting faces and spitting
in the mirror! It would give you some perspective, you prock, as what
you subkect people to with your disgusting existence.

Forwarder wrote:


You OWN A KRELL for chrissakes! Nuff said. Now go spit in the mirror.
Anyone as such a detestable, disgusting blowhard freak like you, should
spend at least 15 minutes each day making disgusting faces and spitting
in the mirror! It would give you some perspective, you prock, as what
you subkect people to with your disgusting existence.

I get all messy fingers and typoish trying to talk to this disgusting,
abominable, creepy, foul, hateful, hideous, nauseating, nerdy,
obnoxious, offensive, revolting, rotten, OLD, sleazeball of a piece of
**** called stewart pukerton. I meant to say :

"Now go spit in the mirror. Anyone so detestable, disgusting, blowhard
freak like you should spend at least 15 minutes each day making
disgusting faces and spitting in the mirror! It would give you some
perspective, you prick, as to what you subject people to with your
disgusting existence."

"Forwarder" wrote in message
.. .

You are a lying prick.

Yet another subjectivist burns up his credibility in public.

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Forwarder" wrote in message
.. .


You are a lying prick.


Yet another subjectivist burns up his credibility in public.



Krueger to the rescue. Gees, I wonder why you don't question the
credibility of "stew of wart pukerton" when he calls me "dickhead" out
of the blue?? Maybe it has something to do with *your* credibility?

Every time I try to approach this subject you borgs turn hostile when
after running out of arguments. This does not fail, happens each and
every single time. Amazing!

And then some of your profess to being against religion! Well, duh,
obviously there is no connection.

Now where is that duhmikey at?

"Forwarder" wrote in message
...
Arny Krueger wrote:

"Forwarder" wrote in message
.. .


You are a lying prick.


Yet another subjectivist burns up his credibility in public.

Krueger to the rescue. Gees, I wonder why you don't question the
credibility of "stew of wart pukerton" when he calls me "dickhead" out of
the blue??

Contrary to popular belief I don't read every audio post on Usenet.

Maybe it has something to do with *your* credibility?

Nahh, it has to do with the fact that being a golden ear is based some
lacking of mental capacity for reason.

Every time I try to approach this subject you borgs

There you go again.

That's strike 2.

"Forwarder" wrote in message
...
Arny Krueger wrote:

"Forwarder" wrote in message
.. .


You are a lying prick.


Yet another subjectivist burns up his credibility in public.

Krueger to the rescue. Gees, I wonder why you don't question the
credibility of "stew of wart pukerton" when he calls me "dickhead" out of
the blue?? Maybe it has something to do with *your* credibility?

Every time I try to approach this subject you borgs turn hostile when
after running out of arguments. This does not fail, happens each and every
single time. Amazing!

Permit me to add my agreement with the above. I wouldn't want my "enemy of
Arny certificate" to expire from non use

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:24:50 +0200, Forwarder wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:42:08 +0200, Forwarder wrote:


Don Pearce wrote:


OK, I've had a bit of a think - and I've written a protocol, which I
believe would be a basis of fair testing of audio components to
resolve such issues as cable sound etc.

I invite all here to read what I suggest, and let me know if I have
either missed something, or am being unfair on one direction or
another.

http://www.donepearce.plus.com/odds/dbt/

I think this could be a way of defusing the vituperation that
currently surrounds the subject.

So what do you think?


Hello Mr Pearce,

What you suggest seems reasonable. We have done a very similar test with
great success (for speaker cables).

Yeah, riiiiggght. That's what Zipser claimed - *before* the 'Sunshine
Trials' proved him wrong.

So there was nothing wrong with the "sunshine trials" then? The
"sunshine trials" are RPOVEN to be %100 applicable to this conundrum
then? Nothing at all imanginable? Never ever concievable that there
might have been something WRONG! with the "sunshine trials" ?

Zipser himself accepted the result in the week following the trials -
it was only later, perhaps when amplifier sales began to drop off,
that the excuses started...................

In fact, after we did the test and
tried it out again and again just to be sure, I sent a mail to James
Randi himself, stating that I was ready to take the million dollar
challenge with the subject matter being distinguishing between speaker
cables. James Randi refused my challenge stating that "I accept, wire is
not wire"...

Interesting that you are still ducking *my* challenge.........

Don't you know how to read? What are we trying to agree on with Don
Pearce here? And what's with the .............. ?????????????????

Oh, I have every confidence that you'll find some pretext for ducking
out...................

What I do not understand about this "vituperation" is that why is it
that some of you engineer types are not agreeing to do a reverse "test".
Just get yourself some demo exotic cables from a slimy high-end boutique
and plug them in to your systems (provided that you guys have any such
corresponding "system"s as some of us audiophools do). Do they have any
effect? Just listen and tell us. Just do it.


Done it, many times. No audible difference, not ever.

You are a lying prick. You yourself have stated that you were a "tweeko"
once. You have those tweeking gadgets in the picts of your website
(though not employed). You obviously bought them in your time since you
heard them doing something. Then you were exposed to these
"tests".......................................... ....................

Lying prick yourself - I said I'd done it many times and that there
were no audible differences, which is absolutely true. That doesn't
prevent one from having *been* a 'tweak', and then discovering by
experiment what a load of ******** it all is.

You OWN A KRELL for chrissakes! Nuff said.

No, you dumb prick, the Krell is there because I have insensitive 3
ohm speakers. The Audiolab sounds identical, but gets very hot if I'm
playing rock music. It's also there so that clowns like you can't
claim that i've never heard a decent system.

Now go spit in the mirror.
Anyone as such a detestable, disgusting blowhard freak like you, should
spend at least 15 minutes each day making disgusting faces and spitting
in the mirror! It would give you some perspective, you prock, as what
you subkect people to with your disgusting existence.

That's a fine example of projection. I guess there's not much else to
do this time of year in the Land of the Mid-day Dark................

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

On Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:24:50 +0200, Forwarder wrote:


Stewart Pinkerton wrote:


On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:42:08 +0200, Forwarder wrote:



Don Pearce wrote:



OK, I've had a bit of a think - and I've written a protocol, which I
believe would be a basis of fair testing of audio components to
resolve such issues as cable sound etc.

I invite all here to read what I suggest, and let me know if I have
either missed something, or am being unfair on one direction or
another.

http://www.donepearce.plus.com/odds/dbt/

I think this could be a way of defusing the vituperation that
currently surrounds the subject.

So what do you think?


Hello Mr Pearce,

What you suggest seems reasonable. We have done a very similar test with
great success (for speaker cables).

Yeah, riiiiggght. That's what Zipser claimed - *before* the 'Sunshine
Trials' proved him wrong.

So there was nothing wrong with the "sunshine trials" then? The
"sunshine trials" are RPOVEN to be %100 applicable to this conundrum
then? Nothing at all imanginable? Never ever concievable that there
might have been something WRONG! with the "sunshine trials" ?


Zipser himself accepted the result in the week following the trials -

Ok, so now *that's* science! The sciecnencienceecee kind of science.

it was only later, perhaps when amplifier sales began to drop off,
that the excuses started...................

Yeah right, I'm gonna take your word for it you retarted prick.



Lying prick yourself - I said I'd done it many times and that there
were no audible differences,

Then you would have never become a "tweeko". You stated on many
occasions, so did krueger as a mattar of fact, that you guys used to
hear differences but that they were not reliable observations. Now that
you are old enough that if a donkey ****s you in the ear you still
wouldn't hear
it................................................ .................................................. ................

which is absolutely true. That doesn't
prevent one from having *been* a 'tweak', and then discovering by
experiment what a load of ******** it all is.


You OWN A KRELL for chrissakes! Nuff said.


No, you dumb prick, the Krell is there because I have insensitive 3
ohm speakers.


That's not the point you pathetic borg of a retard. Take a 200 dollar
receiver to a lab, put it behind an ABX box, take your krell put it on
the other end, level match, play, A, B, then X WHAM! no difference!
*THAT'S* the point.


The Audiolab sounds identical,

And so would a yamaha receiver off the shelf of some woolworths. So why
own audiophoolery exotic amps like krell and "audiolab" produced by conmen?


but gets very hot if I'm
playing rock music.

That's not the point you pathetic asshole of a retard. Take a 200 dollar
receiver to a lab, put it behind an ABX box, take your krell put it on
the other end, level match, play, A, B, then X WHAM! no difference!
*THAT'S* the point!



It's also there so that clowns like you can't
claim that i've never heard a decent system.


You don't own a decent self, you don't own decent ears, you don't own
*any* form of decency you prick, what the **** does your exotic
audiophoolery amps have to do with anything?!?!?!

and

.................................................. .................................................. ...................




Now go spit in the mirror.
Anyone as such a detestable, disgusting blowhard freak like you, should
spend at least 15 minutes each day making disgusting faces and spitting
in the mirror! It would give you some perspective, you prock, as what
you subkect people to with your disgusting existence.


That's a fine example of projection.

Yeah the mirror'll be projecting you.