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The Great Audio Swindle or...
"HE2005: The Great Debate".
It is clear now that this public debate organized by John Atkinson was a complete flop. John Atkinson has failed, his invitation was a gamble, he played, he lost. His fault ? IMHO hubris only !... Do you know why the debate was a non-event (so a complete failure) ? Because its only goal was to make *publicly* an ass of Arnold Krueger. Explanation... 1. According to George M. Middius and RAO morons, JA was 95% sure that Arnold Krueger will refuse his invitation. First deal, first fall. 2. He was sure that he will be able to destabilize Arnold Krueger during the debate. Second deal, second fall. 3. Now, with the only help of George M. Middius, he is engaged in a pitiful provocating tie-break trying to save the debris of his shipwreck. He isn't acting like the journalist he pretends to be but more like a paparazzi. His last petty attempt : a menace to broadcast publicly a recording of Mr. Krueger's voice. Note that this proposal was a total treason to "The Devil's" wish (see Mr DeWaal and Mr Weil's express warnings). The RAO careful reader will now understand that John Atkinson is playing his last trump, the "all or nothing"... Personally I would not be surprised that he secretly tries to be publicly insulted in order to get *the* good reason to engaged a law suit against Arnold Krueger... |
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Lionel a écrit :
"a menace to broadcast publicly a recording of Mr. Krueger's voice." Should read : "an illegal recording of..." |
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Lionel wrote: "HE2005: The Great Debate". It is clear now that this public debate organized by John Atkinson was a complete flop. John Atkinson has failed, his invitation was a gamble, he played, he lost. His fault ? IMHO hubris only !... Do you know why the debate was a non-event (so a complete failure) ? Because its only goal was to make *publicly* an ass of Arnold Krueger. Explanation... 1. According to George M. Middius and RAO morons, JA was 95% sure that Arnold Krueger will refuse his invitation. First deal, first fall. Such is the arrogance of John Atkinson; he truly believed Arny would be "afraid" to face him. Guess again, sleazeball! ;-) 2. He was sure that he will be able to destabilize Arnold Krueger during the debate. Again, such is the arrogance of John Atkinson. BTW, how's "the Rug", John? Is it at least real hair, or just the Dynel it appears to be? Second deal, second fall. 3. Now, with the only help of George M. Middius, he is engaged in a pitiful provocating tie-break trying to save the debris of his shipwreck. He isn't acting like the journalist he pretends to be "the journalist he pretends to be" is an understatement. He's just an opportunistic sleazeball who has carved out a little fiefdom in the kingdom of the (intellectually) blind. I doubt he believes a small fraction of the BS he spews. but more like a paparazzi. More like a small time putz, IMO. His last petty attempt : a menace to broadcast publicly a recording of Mr. Krueger's voice. Note that this proposal was a total treason to "The Devil's" wish (see Mr DeWaal and Mr Weil's express warnings). Once again, John Atkinson of Stereophile is just a small time putz. The RAO careful reader will now understand that John Atkinson is playing his last trump, the "all or nothing"... Personally I would not be surprised that he secretly tries to be publicly insulted in order to get *the* good reason to engaged a law suit against Arnold Krueger... Even more of a jerkoff than Wheeler??? ;-) |
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Joseph Oberlander wrote: wrote: "the journalist he pretends to be" is an understatement. He's just an opportunistic sleazeball who has carved out a little fiefdom in the kingdom of the (intellectually) blind. I doubt he believes a small fraction of the BS he spews. The sad truth is that he now does believe, being surrounded by simmilar people for years. Watch him respond to this by touting what an expert he is. I do wonder if, after all these years, ha actually believes that "blind amplifier testing led me astray" story he belched out at the "Great Debate". It seems so contrived, IMO, but maybe he does believe it. |
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"Lionel" wrote in message ... The RAO careful reader will now understand that John Atkinson is playing his last trump, the "all or nothing"... Personally I would not be surprised that he secretly tries to be publicly insulted in order to get *the* good reason to engaged a law suit against Arnold Krueger... Arny isn't exactly Mr. Deep Pockets. if irony and a lawsuit would award JA proprietorship of www.pcabx.com! ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Clyde Slick a écrit :
Arny isn't exactly Mr. Deep Pockets. Yes, we have observed that you aren't Mr. Deep Thoughts. |
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Lionel wrote: Clyde Slick a =E9crit : Arny isn't exactly Mr. Deep Pockets. Yes, we have observed that you aren't Mr. Deep Thoughts. !!LOL!! |
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"Lionel" wrote in message ... Clyde Slick a écrit : Arny isn't exactly Mr. Deep Pockets. Yes, we have observed that you aren't Mr. Deep Thoughts. Although you are Mr. Deep Sewer. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Clyde Slick wrote:
"Lionel" wrote in message ... The RAO careful reader will now understand that John Atkinson is playing his last trump, the "all or nothing"... Personally I would not be surprised that he secretly tries to be publicly insulted in order to get *the* good reason to engaged a law suit against Arnold Krueger... Arny isn't exactly Mr. Deep Pockets. I probably spent more on audio last year than JA. if irony and a lawsuit would award JA proprietorship of www.pcabx.com! There's more where that one came from. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... Clyde Slick wrote: Arny isn't exactly Mr. Deep Pockets. I probably spent more on audio last year than JA. JA earned more on audio than you did last year. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Clyde Slick said: Arny isn't exactly Mr. Deep Pockets. I probably spent more on audio last year than JA. JA earned more on audio than you did last year. But Arnii still has the largest collection of obsolete sound cards in North America.;-) |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message Clyde Slick wrote: Arny isn't exactly Mr. Deep Pockets. I probably spent more on audio last year than JA. Really? I thought your whole mantra was that you don't need to spend gobs of money on things like amps, power cables and speaker spikes? Just out of curiosity, what audio equipment did you purchase? |
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Schizoid Man said: I probably spent more on audio last year than JA. Really? I thought your whole mantra was that you don't need to spend gobs of money on things like amps, power cables and speaker spikes? No no, you misunderstand. When other people spend lots of money, it's immoral and wasteful and foolish. When Krooger spends lots of money, it's prudent and manly and very, very smart. ;-) Just out of curiosity, what audio equipment did you purchase? Check ebay for the trail. Turdy has gobbled up another 166 sound cards, 27 amplifiers, 381 microphones, and 96 MP3 players. Quantity over quality -- that's the ticket! |
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Schizoid Man wrote:
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message Clyde Slick wrote: Arny isn't exactly Mr. Deep Pockets. I probably spent more on audio last year than JA. Really? I thought your whole mantra was that you don't need to spend gobs of money on things like amps, power cables and speaker spikes? Silly me, I blew so much of it on microphones. Just out of curiosity, what audio equipment did you purchase? A few power amps, some equalizers, one or two audio interfaces, and about 30 microphones, mic preamps, cables stands and the like. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... Schizoid Man wrote: "Arny Krueger" wrote in message Clyde Slick wrote: Arny isn't exactly Mr. Deep Pockets. I probably spent more on audio last year than JA. Really? I thought your whole mantra was that you don't need to spend gobs of money on things like amps, power cables and speaker spikes? Silly me, I blew so much of it on microphones. Just out of curiosity, what audio equipment did you purchase? A few power amps, some equalizers, one or two audio interfaces, and about 30 microphones, mic preamps, cables stands and the like. Arny, telephone taps, guitar amps, and Radio Shack lapel mics do not qualify. I like the idea of cable stands. A new tweak? |
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Arny Krueger wrote: I probably spent more on audio last year than JA. If by "JA" you are referring to me, Mr. Krueger, I fail to see why this matters to you. For what it's worth, I spent around $5000 on audio components in the past 12 months. How much did you spend? John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
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John Atkinson wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote: I probably spent more on audio last year than JA. If by "JA" you are referring to me, Mr. Krueger, I fail to see why this matters to you. For what it's worth, I spent around $5000 on audio components in the past 12 months. How much did you spend? Given the hardware I already have on hand, my wife would kill me if I spent that much on additional stuff over a one-year period, without proving that any of it would result in a genuine sonic improvement. Thankfully, I am afraid that she is as much a skeptic as I am. She has let me spend that much on woodworking tools, but the bottom line is that I have to use them to make worthwhile things. I would imagine that the amount spent on high-end equipment upgrades is a criteria for judging the seriousness of more than one audio enthusiast. One cannot be a real high-end "audio buff" unless they continuously "upgrade," under the guidance of the upscale magazine reviewers and trusted, high-end sales clerks. Howard Ferstler |
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"Howard Fustian" wrote in message ... Given the hardware I already have on hand, my wife would kill me if I spent that much on additional stuff over a one-year period, without proving that any of it would result in a genuine sonic improvement. Thankfully, I am afraid that she is as much a skeptic as I am. She has let me spend that much on woodworking tools, but the bottom line is that I have to use them to make worthwhile things. She definitely wants you out in the treehouse at nights. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Brother Horace the Yenta said: If by "JA" you are referring to me, Mr. Krueger, I fail to see why this matters to you. For what it's worth, I spent around $5000 on audio components in the past 12 months. How much did you spend? Given the hardware I already have on hand, my wife would kill me if I spent that much on additional stuff Who's talking to you? |
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She has let me spend that much on woodworking tools, but the bottom line is that I have to use them to make worthwhile things. Howies wife won't let him spend much Or else he's sure to get in dutch. He's hen-pecked you see We'd likely all agree.. And so he don't get very such. ;-) Hammingaway |
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John Atkinson wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote: I probably spent more on audio last year than JA. If by "JA" you are referring to me, Mr. Krueger, I fail to see why this matters to you. For what it's worth, I spent around $5000 on audio components in the past 12 months. How much did you spend? More. |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
John Atkinson wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: I probably spent more on audio last year than JA. If by "JA" you are referring to me, Mr. Krueger, I fail to see why this matters to you. For what it's worth, I spent around $5000 on audio components in the past 12 months. How much did you spend? More. Yoiks! I hope you got your money's worth. My guess is that much of what you spent was for test and evaluation gear and not on exotic amps, wires, and speakers that did not gain you all that much additional quality. Am I correct? Howard Ferstler |
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Arny Krueger wrote: John Atkinson wrote: Arny Krueger wrote: I probably spent more on audio last year than JA. If by "JA" you are referring to me, Mr. Krueger, I fail to see why this matters to you. For what it's worth, I spent around $5000 on audio components in the past 12 months. How much did you spend? More. Okay. I do note that you say you are including the cost of 30 microphones in that total. Is this because you are going to try close-miking of the singers in your choral recordings? You mentioned taking to John Marks in the press room at HE2005 and he reported to me that he offered you some practical help in dealing with the problematic acoustics of the church in which you make your recordings. John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile |
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"John Atkinson" wrote in message oups.com... Arny Krueger wrote: I probably spent more on audio last year than JA. If by "JA" you are referring to me, Mr. Krueger, I fail to see why this matters to you. For what it's worth, I spent around $5000 on audio components in the past 12 months. How much did you spend? John Atkinson Editor, Stereophile $5,001, I am sure. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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"Lionel" wrote in message ... "HE2005: The Great Debate". It is clear now that this public debate organized by John Atkinson was a complete flop. John Atkinson has failed, his invitation was a gamble, he played, he lost. His fault ? IMHO hubris only !... Lionel, I'm not sure I have ever been informed of your philosophical position. Do you sympathize with Arny in an absolute way, or as a choice relative to the attitudes found in Stereophile? Or are you primarily defending Arny from attacks you feel are unfair? If you were to take photographs of my systems, you would see much of what you might find in Arny Krueger's systems; cheap interconnects, cost efficient components, etc. The reason I am opposed to Krueger is much for the same reason that the French Terror is regarded with horror; so many possibilities, as well as some truths, are attacked by Arny's broad assault. The second reason is that Arny uses unfair tactics, such as making an interpretation of another person's post, and proclaiming that it is the other person's statement. I also disagree with Arny's testing methodology. And yet, we have made so many choices that are similar. If our particular outrages were combined, the belief would be that both Arny and George share the Marxist idea, "The end justifies the means." |
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Robert Morein said: If our particular outrages were combined, the belief would be that both Arny and George share the Marxist idea, "The end justifies the means." Within the confines demarcated by the dimension of Usenet, I believe Krooger is absolute evil. Therefore, I feel justified in counterattacking on behalf of everybody, still within the same borders. |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message ... Robert Morein said: If our particular outrages were combined, the belief would be that both Arny and George share the Marxist idea, "The end justifies the means." Within the confines demarcated by the dimension of Usenet, I believe Krooger is absolute evil. Therefore, I feel justified in counterattacking on behalf of everybody, still within the same borders. I understand, though I prefer to paint McCarty with a far darker shade of black. |
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Robert Morein said: Within the confines demarcated by the dimension of Usenet, I believe Krooger is absolute evil. Therefore, I feel justified in counterattacking on behalf of everybody, still within the same borders. I understand, though I prefer to paint McCarty with a far darker shade of black. Yes, I agree. But Bwian doesn't confine his nefarious activities to Usenet. Krooger is all bark and loT"s of feces, but Bwian is an explosive latrine. Or something. BTW, when are you going to fix your newsreader? This post reformatted by the Resistance, laboring tirelessly to de-Kroogerize Usenet. |
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"George M. Middius" wrote in message ... Robert Morein said: Within the confines demarcated by the dimension of Usenet, I believe Krooger is absolute evil. Therefore, I feel justified in counterattacking on behalf of everybody, still within the same borders. I understand, though I prefer to paint McCarty with a far darker shade of black. Yes, I agree. But Bwian doesn't confine his nefarious activities to Usenet. Krooger is all bark and loT"s of feces, but Bwian is an explosive latrine. Or something. BTW, when are you going to fix your newsreader? What's wrong with it? |
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The nutball posting as "George M. Middius" wrote:
Robert Morein said: If our particular outrages were combined, the belief would be that both Arny and George share the Marxist idea, "The end justifies the means." Within the confines demarcated by the dimension of Usenet, I believe Krooger is absolute evil. Therefore, I feel justified in counterattacking on behalf of everybody, still within the same borders. You stay "within the borders" by encouraging *others* to make and distribute recordings of private telephone conversations, initiate bogus lawsuits and file false police reports. You're a real piece of ****, "George". No wonder you and Atkinson get along. |
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wrote: The nutball posting as "George M. Middius" wrote: Robert Morein said: If our particular outrages were combined, the belief would be that both Arny and George share the Marxist idea, "The end justifies the means." Within the confines demarcated by the dimension of Usenet, I believe Krooger is absolute evil. Therefore, I feel justified in counterattacking on behalf of everybody, still within the same borders. You stay "within the borders" by encouraging *others* to make and distribute recordings of private telephone conversations, initiate bogus lawsuits and file false police reports. You're a real piece of ****, "George". No wonder you and Atkinson get along. You are truly an idiot. No wonder you can't make it on your own. Did you get beat up a lot at school? Scott Wheeler |
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wrote in message oups.com... wrote: The nutball posting as "George M. Middius" wrote: Robert Morein said: If our particular outrages were combined, the belief would be that both Arny and George share the Marxist idea, "The end justifies the means." Within the confines demarcated by the dimension of Usenet, I believe Krooger is absolute evil. Therefore, I feel justified in counterattacking on behalf of everybody, still within the same borders. You stay "within the borders" by encouraging *others* to make and distribute recordings of private telephone conversations, initiate bogus lawsuits and file false police reports. You're a real piece of ****, "George". No wonder you and Atkinson get along. You are truly an idiot. No wonder you can't make it on your own. Did you get beat up a lot at school? what school? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Little **** said: Within the confines demarcated by the dimension of Usenet, I believe Krooger is absolute evil. Therefore, I feel justified in counterattacking on behalf of everybody, still within the same borders. You stay "within the borders" by encouraging *others* to make and distribute recordings of private telephone conversations Oopsie! You're lying again. That doesn't surprise me, of course, since you freely admit you admire Arnii Kroofeces, Master of the Lying Trade. ;-) I'm sorry you're too stupid to configure your newsreader properly. You can take consolation in the fact that many others are just as clueless as you are. (That's not news to you, right?) Now let's talk about you. Who are you? ;-) How many bicycles have you "fixed" this month? Did the scam you tried on Winkis succeed on any other victims? How long before the warrants against you in Massachusetts expire? Did you have murder your parents to get their house, or did you just threaten them into quiescence? If you had a job and a decent income, would you buy a bunch of guns, or just stick to drugs? This post reformatted by the Resistance, laboring tirelessly to de-Kroogerize Usenet. |
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The nutball posting as "George M. Middius" proves Lionel is right:
Little **** said: "George" is so cute! Within the confines demarcated by the dimension of Usenet, I believe Krooger is absolute evil. Therefore, I feel justified in counterattacking on behalf of everybody, still within the same borders. You stay "within the borders" by encouraging *others* to make and distribute recordings of private telephone conversations, initiate bogus lawsuits and file false police reports. You're a real piece of ****, "George". No wonder you and Atkinson get along. Oopsie! You're lying again. About what, "George"? Recordings of private telephone conversations? Bogus lawsuits? False police reports? That you are a piece of ****? That you get along with Atkinson? That doesn't surprise me, of course, since you freely admit you admire Arnii Kroofeces, Master of the Lying Trade. ;-) And you idolize a lying limey sleazeball. You lose. I'm sorry you're too stupid to configure your newsreader properly. You can take consolation in the fact that many others are just as clueless as you are. (That's not news to you, right?) Properly configured newsreaders are ***SO IMPORTANT*** what am I to do? :-o Now let's talk about you. Who are you? ;-) How many bicycles have you "fixed" this month? Did the scam you tried on Winkis succeed on any other victims? How long before the warrants against you in Massachusetts expire? Did you have murder your parents to get their house, or did you just threaten them into quiescence? If you had a job and a decent income, would you buy a bunch of guns, or just stick to drugs? Score!!!! PS- are you off the meds again? |
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Robert Morein a écrit :
"Lionel" wrote in message ... "HE2005: The Great Debate". It is clear now that this public debate organized by John Atkinson was a complete flop. John Atkinson has failed, his invitation was a gamble, he played, he lost. His fault ? IMHO hubris only !... Lionel, I'm not sure I have ever been informed of your philosophical position. Do you sympathize with Arny in an absolute way, or as a choice relative to the attitudes found in Stereophile? Or are you primarily defending Arny from attacks you feel are unfair? 1. IMO it is not possible to sympathize with Arnold Krueger in an absolute way. 2. I am really astonished by the weak critical potential of high-end audio magazines in general. Can you imagine such "onctuous" critics in literature, music, movie... ? Guys like John Atkinson doesn't participate to any real improvement they are just trying to keep up a very profitable business. They aren't innovators just petty *pensioners*. 3. On RAO everyone have the supporters he deserves. Middius supports Atkinson and I am "supporting" Krueger... ....I have never insulted John Atkinson. ;-) If you were to take photographs of my systems, you would see much of what you might find in Arny Krueger's systems; cheap interconnects, cost efficient components, etc. The reason I am opposed to Krueger is much for the same reason that the French Terror is regarded with horror; so many possibilities, as well as some truths, are attacked by Arny's broad assault. 100% agree with you this is unacceptable behaviour. The second reason is that Arny uses unfair tactics, such as making an interpretation of another person's post, and proclaiming that it is the other person's statement. 100% agree with you this is unacceptable behaviour. I also disagree with Arny's testing methodology. And yet, we have made so many choices that are similar. Seems to me that Krueger's system has some potential. Perhaps it has some serious technical flaws (statisticals, recording...) but I'm sure that it can be improved to be an other instrument in the panoply of audio reviewer, nothing more than an *instrument* among other instruments. If our particular outrages were combined, the belief would be that both Arny and George share the Marxist idea, "The end justifies the means." Except you, Sander and one or two occasional posters, there isn't any technical opposition to Krueger's views. Most of the RAO remaining regulars are guys fascinated by Arnold Krueger. He exerts on them an attraction, a pervet interest which make them look very stupid. Watch Weil's pathetic efforts to get a little attention from Arnold, don't tell me that this guy is "normal", and no need to speak about Middius' real obsession... |
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On Sat, 14 May 2005 17:50:43 +0200, Lionel
wrote: Watch Weil's pathetic efforts to get a little attention from Arnold, Since I respond to far less than 1% of his posts, your observation is completely wrongheaded. Since you respond to almost 100% of my posts, what does this say about *your* efforts? Would pathetic qualify? |
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dave weil a écrit :
On Sat, 14 May 2005 17:50:43 +0200, Lionel wrote: Watch Weil's pathetic efforts to get a little attention from Arnold, Since I respond to far less than 1% of his posts, your observation is completely wrongheaded. Since you respond to almost 100% of my posts, what does this say about *your* efforts? Would pathetic qualify? He, he ! ;-) |
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dave weil said to Lionella: Since you respond to almost 100% of my posts, what does this say about *your* efforts? Would pathetic qualify? A good 'bot is nothing if not persistent. Whoever programmed Slut to keep barking at you can at least take solace in that. |
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