It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger, RAO's most
widely despised and hated poster, can't tear himself away from his
computer terminal before generating new attack threads about others.
This latest atempt to eliminate any and all legitimate efforts to
expose the dishonesty inherent in McKelvy's recent bogus proposal is
both predictable and idiotic - 2 traits frequehntly found in Krueger's
paranoia-driven posts. As he has done for over 7 years, this mentally
ill hatemonger once again rambles about conspiracy theories involving
Middius - another one of his extremely delusional notions not supported
by any evidence. It's worth that, for the most part, only another
pathological flamer, Lionel "The Idiot" Chapuis, bothered to respond to
Krueger's latest insane ravings. Losers like these 2 of nothing to
offer to anybody other than those who, at one time in hiistory, would
visit insane asylums to watch the mentally ill "perform" faor them.
Krueger & Lionel are a modern-day version of ewhat happens when 2
severely diseased cretins are given access to a keyboard by their
handlers. As all can see, it's hard to find a rational thought or
credible word between the two of them.

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
oups.com

It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger, RAO's
most widely despised and hated poster, can't tear himself away from
his computer terminal before generating new attack threads about
others.

Ironically, this is the first post in a new personal attack thread that was
started by one Bruce J. Richman. I also note that is at least his second new
personal attack thread for just today.

Most people who watch RAO know that I rarely start new threads. AFAIK, the
last new thread from me was started on 1/6/2005 and was about Monster
Cable - obviously audio-related and not a personal attack thread.

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
oups.com

It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger, RAO's
most widely despised and hated poster, can't tear himself away from
his computer terminal before generating new attack threads about
others.

Ironically, this is the first post in a new personal attack thread
that was
started by one Bruce J. Richman. I also note that is at least his
second new
personal attack thread for just today.

Most people who watch RAO know that I rarely start new threads.
AFAIK, the
last new thread from me was started on 1/6/2005 and was about Monster

Cable - obviously audio-related and not a personal attack thread.

Actually, the Google clearly shows that Krueger has repeatedly, over a
7 year period, started attack threads, using the names of many of his
enemies in those threads. Krueger, as is his habitm, neglects to
mention the obvious fact, that when I start an attack thread, it is in
direct response to one that he has started. Unlike Krueger, I have no
need to try and change the titles of threads started by others simply
to try and eliminate negative information.

BJPompousAss howled:


Actually, the Google clearly shows that Krueger has repeatedly, over
a
7 year period, started attack threads,


Care to offer some _actual proof_ of your allegation, BJ?


Brian T. Middius (a proud member of the Middius family of anonymous
Usenet trolls)

Delusional Cretin @ aol.com babbled:



BJPompousAss howled:


Actually, the Google clearly shows that Krueger has repeatedly,
over
a
7 year period, started attack threads,


Care to offer some _actual proof_ of your allegation, BJ?


Brian T. Middius (a proud member of the Middius family of anonymous
Usenet trolls)(deluded sockpuppet with no identity)

Here are a few recent examples, just for the braindamaged sockpuppet
bloviating above and McKelvy:


Richman Wants Krueger Dead!
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"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message




Clyde Slick wrote:

"George M. Middius" wrote in message
news

Arnii, why haven't you killed yourself yet?
Because that would put an end to his suffering,
and that's the last thing on his mind.
The day that your observation is *literally* true will be declared an
International Internet Newsgroup Holiday.



All things being equal Bruce, you'll predecease me. My regrets to you
and
your family.


And here's anothe of many Krueger Attack Threads:



Richman's support for his psychological diagnosis of Krueger is a
sock-puppet of a furniture importer!
Arny Kr=FCger Jun 7 1999, 12:00 am show options

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Date: 1999/06/07
Subject: Richman's support for his psychological diagnosis of Krueger
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Arny Kruger continues his flames:

take this to be a grand joke on non-technical "experts" like
Richman who spend so much time and money gilding dead, rotten
lillies, and then waste even more time defending this by attacking
their technological betters on RAO.
Yet another set of egocentric, psychopathic rantings and ravings
from RAO's
major purveyor of snot and conflict.


This twisted and sick computer geek, unable as he is to engage in
rational
conversation or civilized disagreement - has nothing better to do -
especially
when confronted with his own woeful ineptness in interpersonal
relationships -
than to try and use his knowledge of electronics (such as it is -
and
discredited by *real* engineers such as Pete Goudreau and others) -
to justify
his existence.


Let's review Kruger's pompous and false *credentials* of how he is
*better*
(his word - not mine):


Expertise in the following:


(1) Deliberate substitution of one poster's name for anothers (e.g.
Rothman -
Richman) - so as to give false meaning to threads.



BJ, I admitted and apologized for that. What is sick and twisted is
you bringing this up again and again.


(2) Long history of snipping posts, changing words in them, and
other selective
editing jobs - all done to try and fool RAO readers unfamiliar with
his *style*
and to deliberately try and change the meaning of what others have


said.

Just trying to manage the rant level on RAO.




(3) A series of embarassing mistatements re. both engineering
issues, high-end
publications (all can refer to his cowardly and slanderous attacks
on
Stereophile), and now, as Rothman as correctly pointed out, on
high-end
establishments.


Revisionist history. Rothman claimed that NHT was not a high end
brand. He claimed that Ken Kantor (co founder of NHT) agreed with
him. The truth came out and now you and Rothman is now trying to
revise history so it would seem like it never happened.



When challenged - what does this sadistic troller do? He
simply tries to change the printed content of what was said by
snipping,
changing words, selective editing - and when all else fails, tries
to hide
behind purposely chosen dictionary definitions of words which he
thinks only he
understands.


What a pack of deceptons. I simply use whatever dictionary is at
hand. I do edit irrelevant content out. I presume that definitions
from well-known dictionaries can be understood by most people. I do
write discussions of how those definitions of the words at hand.



(4) As in the Martin-Logan thread and numerous others, tries to
promote his
agenda of intimidation, personal attacks, and above all the
elimination of all
statements of personal preference re. audio gear - BY DELIBERATELY
PLACING
RATIONAL DISCUSSION OF GEAR SECOND - AND PERSONAL ATTACKS FIRST.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

All readers can note that there is an almost 5 year time span between
these 2 attack threads generated by Krueger with myh name in them.
Needless to say, many more exampls of this type of deviant behavior by
Krueger exist, also.

It seems that delusional cretin sockpuppet has once again slipped in
his own vomit.

LOL !!!!

Bruce J. Richman a écrit :

I suggest that you organize your thoughts and your proofs because I'm
afraid that nobody will have the courage to read such garbage.

BJPompousAss croaked:

Delusional Cretin @ aol.com babbled:



BJPompousAss howled:


Actually, the Google clearly shows that Krueger has repeatedly,
over
a
7 year period, started attack threads,


Care to offer some _actual proof_ of your allegation, BJ?


Brian T. Middius (a proud member of the Middius family of anonymous
Usenet trolls)(deluded sockpuppet with no identity)

Here are a few recent examples


Hey, BJ, why don't you just post links that go directly to these
(alleged) posts in the Google archive? It's not that I don't trust you
but..... ;-)

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
oups.com...

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
oups.com

It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger, RAO's
most widely despised and hated poster, can't tear himself away from
his computer terminal before generating new attack threads about
others.

Ironically, this is the first post in a new personal attack thread
that was
started by one Bruce J. Richman. I also note that is at least his
second new
personal attack thread for just today.

Most people who watch RAO know that I rarely start new threads.
AFAIK, the
last new thread from me was started on 1/6/2005 and was about Monster

Cable - obviously audio-related and not a personal attack thread.

Actually, the Google clearly shows that Krueger has repeatedly, over a
7 year period, started attack threads, using the names of many of his
enemies in those threads.

How many? Name them.

Krueger, as is his habitm, neglects to
mention the obvious fact, that when I start an attack thread, it is in
direct response to one that he has started.

Then why are there more of yours?

Unlike Krueger, I have no
need to try and change the titles of threads started by others simply
to try and eliminate negative information.

Liar.

Michael McKelvy wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
oups.com...

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
oups.com

It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger,
RAO's
most widely despised and hated poster, can't tear himself away
from
his computer terminal before generating new attack threads about
others.

Ironically, this is the first post in a new personal attack thread
that was
started by one Bruce J. Richman. I also note that is at least his
second new
personal attack thread for just today.

Most people who watch RAO know that I rarely start new threads.
AFAIK, the
last new thread from me was started on 1/6/2005 and was about
Monster

Cable - obviously audio-related and not a personal attack thread.

Actually, the Google clearly shows that Krueger has repeatedly,
over a
7 year period, started attack threads, using the names of many of
his
enemies in those threads.

How many? Name them.


See response to sockpuppet defender of Krueger in this thread for
examples of just 2 - written aomost 5 years apart. How many timrs have
you told the truth about my identity? Name them.

You're blowing snmoke, and coming up empty.

Krueger, as is his habitm, neglects to
mention the obvious fact, that when I start an attack thread, it is
in
direct response to one that he has started.

Then why are there more of yours?


Liar. Prove that ther are more than mine with a listing of all attack
threads started by Krueger and attack threads started gy me.
Prove that you're not lyin again.


Unlike Krueger, I have no
need to try and change the titles of threads started by others
simply
to try and eliminate negative information.

Liar.

Bullshiut from McKelvy. The evidence is there in Google for all to
see.

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
ups.com...

Michael McKelvy wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
oups.com...

Arny Krueger wrote:
"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
oups.com

It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger,
RAO's
most widely despised and hated poster, can't tear himself away
from
his computer terminal before generating new attack threads about
others.

Ironically, this is the first post in a new personal attack thread
that was
started by one Bruce J. Richman. I also note that is at least his
second new
personal attack thread for just today.

Most people who watch RAO know that I rarely start new threads.
AFAIK, the
last new thread from me was started on 1/6/2005 and was about
Monster

Cable - obviously audio-related and not a personal attack thread.

Actually, the Google clearly shows that Krueger has repeatedly,
over a
7 year period, started attack threads, using the names of many of
his
enemies in those threads.

How many? Name them.


See response to sockpuppet defender of Krueger in this thread for
examples of just 2 - written aomost 5 years apart. How many timrs have
you told the truth about my identity? Name them.

Impossible to tell, since I have no real hard evidence of your identity.

I'll ask again, and see if you can put a number to it, how many times has AK
put your name in the title of an attack thread? You gave an example with
the title Richman wants Krueger Dead, which came from a thread entitled
Question for Krooger, where he was responding to your question that asked
why he hadn't killed himself already. Not very honest Bruce.

Your second example is in response to another of your hysterical rants from
a thread on speakler wires for Martin Logans.

The question was how many attack threads with your name in them had been
started by AK? I can assume the answer is none.

You're blowing snmoke, and coming up empty.

Krueger, as is his habitm, neglects to
mention the obvious fact, that when I start an attack thread, it is
in
direct response to one that he has started.

That's just a bald faced lie.


BTW I believe Mr. Atkinson is a Recording engineer, not an EE. I apologise
in advance if I got that wrong. Pete Goudreau is an EE.


Then why are there more of yours?


Liar. Prove that ther are more than mine with a listing of all attack
threads started by Krueger and attack threads started gy me.
Prove that you're not lyin again.


Unlike Krueger, I have no
need to try and change the titles of threads started by others
simply
to try and eliminate negative information.

Liar.

Bullshiut from McKelvy. The evidence is there in Google for all to
see.

Then provide it, you made the original claim.

Bruce J. Richman wrote:
It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger, RAO's most
widely despised and hated poster,


As a relatively new poster in RAO I have been trying to find out who is
who, etc, and at this juncture I'd like to contribute my two cents of worth.

1) Yes, Arni Krueger's most talented and accomplished trait seems to be
arousing hatred, very much a keen, acute almost ACID hatred even within
the context of a somewhat trivial, vain, non-essential, non-political
and luxurious realm of subject as music and high-end audio. This for me,
is a most surprising phenomenon that really would need some sound
analysis. Here you have a bunch of normal, music loving, highend
hobbying dudes and an anomaly, a bizarre entity that just isn't
explainable, that just seems to exist to bring up hate, to create hate
within people! Curious.

I am sure that if this ****borg would play god as he does in some
political or religious context he would imminently attain first hand
experience as to how ba-ad a bad-blood he conjures up in people.


this mentally
ill hatemonger once again rambles about conspiracy theories involving
Middius

A telling example of what I state above.. "Middius" seems to be a
democrat type of "thinking" person, concerned about social welfare and
well being, etc, he seems to have some clever traits, an imaginative,
though somewhat wiggly pen, enlightened views on things, etc. But at the
same time, this quite the "normal" and educated character exhibits an
unhealthy dose of hatred and obsession against the ****borg
(understandably so).

Me, yes, I hate his very existence, and I am sorry to have to exist in
the same universe with this ****borg, unfortunately, I cannot pinpoint
as to why I take such an obvious idiot seriously enough to hate it,
since I cannot execute a truly objective analysis on my own feelings.


As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be that
he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons, etc,
misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness and the situation has
deteriorated further by the inherent impaired communication environment
of the usenet discussion groups... Just what he has said or done in
history to have him be the fourth (or fifth?) most hated character here,
I have not yet figured it out. I have no time for google searches and
researches so I guess the situation will just have to present itself in
the making ..

McKelvy: Well, I think the daft duh!mikey is just that: stupid,
defective, dim-witted, dumdum, dumduck, dummy, feeble-minded, gorked,
half-witted, held back, imbecile, retarded, slow or non-witted... He
doesn't lie or offend on purpose or with any given *intent*, you see, he
is just too stupid to really comprehend what he says, too damaged to
really understand what others are trying to say to him, and too
monkey-like to "intend" on doing something or another. His "lies" might
be the product of childish spite.

He writes like a human, sometimes, and he obviously is able to use a
computer, but these kinds of "abilities" are pretty much habitually
obtainable by humans. I can't really pinpoint the source of his
delinquency (obviously), some form of an autistic defect that inhibits
his perceptions after a certain point of complication and demand on
analysis, perhaps, a trained professional psychologist might enlighten
us here.

Anyways, just my two cents of woth.

Fella a écrit :

As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be that
he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons, etc,
misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness

This concerns only Dave Weil which is so jealous of my French culture
and inherited refinement that he cannot help to make an ass of himself
when he starts a discussion with me.

(I voluntary omit forget Paul Dormer, an oversophisticated Englishman,
who suffers of the "Perfid Albion genetic alteration"

and the situation has deteriorated further by the inherent impaired
communication environment
of the usenet discussion groups... Just what he has said or done in
history to have him be the fourth (or fifth?) most hated character here

You honor me. :-)

I have not yet figured it out. I have no time for google searches and
researches so I guess the situation will just have to present itself in
the making ..

See you later.

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:34:44 +0100, "Lionel C. Middius"
wrote:

Fella a écrit :

As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be that
he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons, etc,
misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness

This concerns only Dave Weil which is so jealous of my French culture
and inherited refinement that he cannot help to make an ass of himself
when he starts a discussion with me.

The fact that you are misguided shouldn't be held against you. So I
don't.

And actually, I rarely start a conversation with you. So, you're the
tail chasing the dragon.

dave weil a écrit :
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:34:44 +0100, "Lionel C. Middius"
wrote:


Fella a écrit :


As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be that
he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons, etc,
misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness

This concerns only Dave Weil which is so jealous of my French culture
and inherited refinement that he cannot help to make an ass of himself
when he starts a discussion with me.


The fact that you are misguided shouldn't be held against you. So I
don't.

This let you with your insatiable envy. :-)

And actually, I rarely start a conversation with you. So, you're the
tail chasing the dragon.

Seems that you have already too much chasing the dragon, Dave...
I grant you an accordion as consolation prize.

On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 20:41:45 +0100, "Lionel C. Middius"
wrote:

The fact that you are misguided shouldn't be held against you. So I
don't.

This let you with your insatiable envy. :-)

Try again. Sorry to tell you that this doesn't make any sense in
English.

Fella wrote:
Bruce J. Richman wrote:
It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger, RAO's
most
widely despised and hated poster,


As a relatively new poster in RAO I have been trying to find out who
is
who, etc, and at this juncture I'd like to contribute my two cents of
worth.

1) Yes, Arni Krueger's most talented and accomplished trait seems to
be
arousing hatred, very much a keen, acute almost ACID hatred even
within
the context of a somewhat trivial, vain, non-essential, non-political

and luxurious realm of subject as music and high-end audio. This for
me,
is a most surprising phenomenon that really would need some sound
analysis. Here you have a bunch of normal, music loving, highend
hobbying dudes and an anomaly, a bizarre entity that just isn't
explainable, that just seems to exist to bring up hate, to create
hate
within people! Curious.

I am sure that if this ****borg would play god as he does in some
political or religious context he would imminently attain first hand
experience as to how ba-ad a bad-blood he conjures up in people.


For a few sadistic and attetntion-deprived pseudoscientists like
Krueger, eliciting hatred is what they live for. You're quite correct
in assuming that no matter what the topic of discusion or NG, Krueger
would quickly generate the same type of scorn and hostility he has on
RAO. It might interest you to know that on RAHE (rec.audio.high-end),
a moderated newsgroup, he has been banned by the moderators who review
posts before they are published on the Internet. This was done because
Krueger could not control his pathological need to smear others and
hurl personal insults at any and all with whom he disagrees about
almost anything. Others who post there, including myself, have not had
this problem.





this mentally
ill hatemonger once again rambles about conspiracy theories
involving
Middius

A telling example of what I state above.. "Middius" seems to be a
democrat type of "thinking" person, concerned about social welfare
and
well being, etc, he seems to have some clever traits, an imaginative,

though somewhat wiggly pen, enlightened views on things, etc. But at
the
same time, this quite the "normal" and educated character exhibits an

unhealthy dose of hatred and obsession against the ****borg
(understandably so).

Me, yes, I hate his very existence, and I am sorry to have to exist
in
the same universe with this ****borg, unfortunately, I cannot
pinpoint
as to why I take such an obvious idiot seriously enough to hate it,
since I cannot execute a truly objective analysis on my own feelings.




It's probably just the revulsion and disgust that we all feel about a
person that has single-handedly been responsible for more people
leaving RAO, never to return, then any other poster IMHO. The number
of people postin here has decreased drastically since Krueger started
his smear campaigns many yeaqrs ago.



As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be
that
he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons, etc,
misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness and the situation has
deteriorated further by the inherent impaired communication
environment
of the usenet discussion groups... Just what he has said or done in
history to have him be the fourth (or fifth?) most hated character
here,
I have not yet figured it out. I have no time for google searches and

researches so I guess the situation will just have to present itself
in
the making ..


He is quite similar to Krueger in the sense that he has nothing good to
say about anybody, and more importantly, nothing whatsoever to say
about audio subjects. He also has a few unique despicable qualities,
such as frequently voiced anti-Semitic comments directed agaisnt
several RAO posters, and strong support for Hamas suicide bombers whose
actions he justifies by lying about their equivalence to that of the
Israeli army's targeted killing of terrorist militants. AFAIK, even
Krueger and McKelvy, have not used religion as a further tactic to
promote their hatemongering. Only Lionel holds that dubious
distinction. In addition, like Krueger, he has tried to attack as many
different posters as possible. Apparently, he thinks that this will
give him some sort of notoriety that has been missing in his life as a
sewer worker. Also, in common with those that fear the objective
analysis of their online behavior by a person qualified to make that
kind of assessment (moi), he has nothing in his empty ammunition belt
with which to respond, so he tries, unsuccessfully to question the
credentials of people with credentials he envies and misunderstands.




McKelvy: Well, I think the daft duh!mikey is just that: stupid,
defective, dim-witted, dumdum, dumduck, dummy, feeble-minded,
gorked,
half-witted, held back, imbecile, retarded, slow or non-witted...


Jusr a few of the very many accurate descriptions that many on RAO have
attached to this almost brain-dead imbecile.


He
doesn't lie or offend on purpose or with any given *intent*, you see,
he
is just too stupid to really comprehend what he says, too damaged to
really understand what others are trying to say to him, and too
monkey-like to "intend" on doing something or another. His "lies"
might
be the product of childish spite.


That's an interesting hypothsis. His slavish admiration of RAO's rest
widely hated and despised poster *does* suggest that he is indeed too
overwhelmingly stupid to see Krueger as about 95% of the rest of us do.


He writes like a human, sometimes, and he obviously is able to use a
computer, but these kinds of "abilities" are pretty much habitually
obtainable by humans. I can't really pinpoint the source of his
delinquency (obviously), some form of an autistic defect that
inhibits
his perceptions after a certain point of complication and demand on
analysis, perhaps, a trained professional psychologist might
enlighten
us here.

That's already been done. One factor you neglectedd to mention in
your reasonable assessment of McKelvy's many cognitive deficits is an
extreme lack of self-awareness. He continuously projects his own
paranoia-based fabrications on to others, while failing to recognize
his lengthy history of lies and libels, which he stupidly calls
"opinions". He stupidly thinks that if he repeats the same lies over
and over again that somebody other than a few fellow hatemongers will
believe him.









Anyways, just my two cents of woth.

One asshole licks the other.....


Bruce J. Richman wrote:
Fella wrote:
Bruce J. Richman wrote:
It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger,
RAO's
most
widely despised and hated poster,


As a relatively new poster in RAO I have been trying to find out
who
is
who, etc, and at this juncture I'd like to contribute my two cents
of
worth.

1) Yes, Arni Krueger's most talented and accomplished trait seems
to
be
arousing hatred, very much a keen, acute almost ACID hatred even
within
the context of a somewhat trivial, vain, non-essential,
non-political

and luxurious realm of subject as music and high-end audio. This
for
me,
is a most surprising phenomenon that really would need some sound
analysis. Here you have a bunch of normal, music loving, highend
hobbying dudes and an anomaly, a bizarre entity that just isn't
explainable, that just seems to exist to bring up hate, to create
hate
within people! Curious.

I am sure that if this ****borg would play god as he does in some
political or religious context he would imminently attain first
hand
experience as to how ba-ad a bad-blood he conjures up in people.


For a few sadistic and attetntion-deprived pseudoscientists like
Krueger, eliciting hatred is what they live for. You're quite
correct
in assuming that no matter what the topic of discusion or NG, Krueger
would quickly generate the same type of scorn and hostility he has on
RAO. It might interest you to know that on RAHE
(rec.audio.high-end),
a moderated newsgroup, he has been banned by the moderators who
review
posts before they are published on the Internet. This was done
because
Krueger could not control his pathological need to smear others and
hurl personal insults at any and all with whom he disagrees about
almost anything. Others who post there, including myself, have not
had
this problem.





this mentally
ill hatemonger once again rambles about conspiracy theories
involving
Middius

A telling example of what I state above.. "Middius" seems to be a
democrat type of "thinking" person, concerned about social welfare
and
well being, etc, he seems to have some clever traits, an
imaginative,

though somewhat wiggly pen, enlightened views on things, etc. But
at
the
same time, this quite the "normal" and educated character exhibits
an

unhealthy dose of hatred and obsession against the ****borg
(understandably so).

Me, yes, I hate his very existence, and I am sorry to have to exist
in
the same universe with this ****borg, unfortunately, I cannot
pinpoint
as to why I take such an obvious idiot seriously enough to hate it,
since I cannot execute a truly objective analysis on my own
feelings.




It's probably just the revulsion and disgust that we all feel about a
person that has single-handedly been responsible for more people
leaving RAO, never to return, then any other poster IMHO. The number
of people postin here has decreased drastically since Krueger started
his smear campaigns many yeaqrs ago.



As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be
that
he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons,
etc,
misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness and the situation
has
deteriorated further by the inherent impaired communication
environment
of the usenet discussion groups... Just what he has said or done in
history to have him be the fourth (or fifth?) most hated character
here,
I have not yet figured it out. I have no time for google searches
and

researches so I guess the situation will just have to present
itself
in
the making ..


He is quite similar to Krueger in the sense that he has nothing good
to
say about anybody, and more importantly, nothing whatsoever to say
about audio subjects. He also has a few unique despicable qualities,
such as frequently voiced anti-Semitic comments directed agaisnt
several RAO posters, and strong support for Hamas suicide bombers
whose
actions he justifies by lying about their equivalence to that of the
Israeli army's targeted killing of terrorist militants. AFAIK, even
Krueger and McKelvy, have not used religion as a further tactic to
promote their hatemongering. Only Lionel holds that dubious
distinction. In addition, like Krueger, he has tried to attack as
many
different posters as possible. Apparently, he thinks that this will
give him some sort of notoriety that has been missing in his life as
a
sewer worker. Also, in common with those that fear the objective
analysis of their online behavior by a person qualified to make that
kind of assessment (moi), he has nothing in his empty ammunition belt
with which to respond, so he tries, unsuccessfully to question the
credentials of people with credentials he envies and misunderstands.




McKelvy: Well, I think the daft duh!mikey is just that: stupid,
defective, dim-witted, dumdum, dumduck, dummy, feeble-minded,
gorked,
half-witted, held back, imbecile, retarded, slow or non-witted...


Jusr a few of the very many accurate descriptions that many on RAO
have
attached to this almost brain-dead imbecile.


He
doesn't lie or offend on purpose or with any given *intent*, you
see,
he
is just too stupid to really comprehend what he says, too damaged
to
really understand what others are trying to say to him, and too
monkey-like to "intend" on doing something or another. His "lies"
might
be the product of childish spite.


That's an interesting hypothsis. His slavish admiration of RAO's
rest
widely hated and despised poster *does* suggest that he is indeed too
overwhelmingly stupid to see Krueger as about 95% of the rest of us
do.


He writes like a human, sometimes, and he obviously is able to use
a
computer, but these kinds of "abilities" are pretty much habitually
obtainable by humans. I can't really pinpoint the source of his
delinquency (obviously), some form of an autistic defect that
inhibits
his perceptions after a certain point of complication and demand on
analysis, perhaps, a trained professional psychologist might
enlighten
us here.

That's already been done. One factor you neglectedd to mention in
your reasonable assessment of McKelvy's many cognitive deficits is an
extreme lack of self-awareness. He continuously projects his own
paranoia-based fabrications on to others, while failing to recognize
his lengthy history of lies and libels, which he stupidly calls
"opinions". He stupidly thinks that if he repeats the same lies over
and over again that somebody other than a few fellow hatemongers will
believe him.









Anyways, just my two cents of woth.


Brian T. Middius (a proud member of the Middius family of anonymous
Usenet trolls)

Ok this top-poster has declared that anyone and everyone who agrees
about something in RAO are to be declared assholes licking each other.
Let it be known.



wrote:

One asshole licks the other.....


Bruce J. Richman wrote:

Fella wrote:

Bruce J. Richman wrote:

It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger,

RAO's

most

widely despised and hated poster,


As a relatively new poster in RAO I have been trying to find out

who

is

who, etc, and at this juncture I'd like to contribute my two cents

of

worth.

1) Yes, Arni Krueger's most talented and accomplished trait seems

to

be

arousing hatred, very much a keen, acute almost ACID hatred even

within

the context of a somewhat trivial, vain, non-essential,

non-political

and luxurious realm of subject as music and high-end audio. This

for

me,

is a most surprising phenomenon that really would need some sound
analysis. Here you have a bunch of normal, music loving, highend
hobbying dudes and an anomaly, a bizarre entity that just isn't
explainable, that just seems to exist to bring up hate, to create

hate

within people! Curious.

I am sure that if this ****borg would play god as he does in some
political or religious context he would imminently attain first

hand

experience as to how ba-ad a bad-blood he conjures up in people.


For a few sadistic and attetntion-deprived pseudoscientists like
Krueger, eliciting hatred is what they live for. You're quite

correct

in assuming that no matter what the topic of discusion or NG, Krueger
would quickly generate the same type of scorn and hostility he has on
RAO. It might interest you to know that on RAHE

(rec.audio.high-end),

a moderated newsgroup, he has been banned by the moderators who

review

posts before they are published on the Internet. This was done

because

Krueger could not control his pathological need to smear others and
hurl personal insults at any and all with whom he disagrees about
almost anything. Others who post there, including myself, have not

had

this problem.





this mentally
ill hatemonger once again rambles about conspiracy theories

involving

Middius

A telling example of what I state above.. "Middius" seems to be a
democrat type of "thinking" person, concerned about social welfare

and

well being, etc, he seems to have some clever traits, an

imaginative,

though somewhat wiggly pen, enlightened views on things, etc. But

at

the

same time, this quite the "normal" and educated character exhibits

an

unhealthy dose of hatred and obsession against the ****borg
(understandably so).

Me, yes, I hate his very existence, and I am sorry to have to exist

in

the same universe with this ****borg, unfortunately, I cannot

pinpoint

as to why I take such an obvious idiot seriously enough to hate it,
since I cannot execute a truly objective analysis on my own

feelings.




It's probably just the revulsion and disgust that we all feel about a
person that has single-handedly been responsible for more people
leaving RAO, never to return, then any other poster IMHO. The number
of people postin here has decreased drastically since Krueger started
his smear campaigns many yeaqrs ago.




As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be

that

he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons,

etc,

misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness and the situation

has

deteriorated further by the inherent impaired communication

environment

of the usenet discussion groups... Just what he has said or done in
history to have him be the fourth (or fifth?) most hated character

here,

I have not yet figured it out. I have no time for google searches

and

researches so I guess the situation will just have to present

itself

in

the making ..


He is quite similar to Krueger in the sense that he has nothing good

to

say about anybody, and more importantly, nothing whatsoever to say
about audio subjects. He also has a few unique despicable qualities,
such as frequently voiced anti-Semitic comments directed agaisnt
several RAO posters, and strong support for Hamas suicide bombers

whose

actions he justifies by lying about their equivalence to that of the
Israeli army's targeted killing of terrorist militants. AFAIK, even
Krueger and McKelvy, have not used religion as a further tactic to
promote their hatemongering. Only Lionel holds that dubious
distinction. In addition, like Krueger, he has tried to attack as

many

different posters as possible. Apparently, he thinks that this will
give him some sort of notoriety that has been missing in his life as

a

sewer worker. Also, in common with those that fear the objective
analysis of their online behavior by a person qualified to make that
kind of assessment (moi), he has nothing in his empty ammunition belt
with which to respond, so he tries, unsuccessfully to question the
credentials of people with credentials he envies and misunderstands.





McKelvy: Well, I think the daft duh!mikey is just that: stupid,
defective, dim-witted, dumdum, dumduck, dummy, feeble-minded,

gorked,

half-witted, held back, imbecile, retarded, slow or non-witted...


Jusr a few of the very many accurate descriptions that many on RAO

have

attached to this almost brain-dead imbecile.


He

doesn't lie or offend on purpose or with any given *intent*, you

see,

he

is just too stupid to really comprehend what he says, too damaged

to

really understand what others are trying to say to him, and too
monkey-like to "intend" on doing something or another. His "lies"

might

be the product of childish spite.


That's an interesting hypothsis. His slavish admiration of RAO's

rest

widely hated and despised poster *does* suggest that he is indeed too
overwhelmingly stupid to see Krueger as about 95% of the rest of us

do.


He writes like a human, sometimes, and he obviously is able to use

a

computer, but these kinds of "abilities" are pretty much habitually
obtainable by humans. I can't really pinpoint the source of his
delinquency (obviously), some form of an autistic defect that

inhibits

his perceptions after a certain point of complication and demand on
analysis, perhaps, a trained professional psychologist might

enlighten

us here.

That's already been done. One factor you neglectedd to mention in
your reasonable assessment of McKelvy's many cognitive deficits is an
extreme lack of self-awareness. He continuously projects his own
paranoia-based fabrications on to others, while failing to recognize
his lengthy history of lies and libels, which he stupidly calls
"opinions". He stupidly thinks that if he repeats the same lies over
and over again that somebody other than a few fellow hatemongers will
believe him.









Anyways, just my two cents of woth.



Brian T. Middius (a proud member of the Middius family of anonymous
Usenet trolls)

No, Jahnaten, only an asshole can lick another asshole. You and
BJPompousAss fit the specification perfectly. Now, go swallow a Mpingo
disc and call BJ in the morning. ;-)

Fella (J-10 wannabe) wrote:
Ok this top-poster has declared that anyone and everyone who agrees
about something in RAO are to be declared assholes licking each
other.
Let it be known.



wrote:

One asshole licks the other.....


Bruce J. Richman wrote:

Fella wrote:

Bruce J. Richman wrote:

It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger,

RAO's

most

widely despised and hated poster,


As a relatively new poster in RAO I have been trying to find out

who

is

who, etc, and at this juncture I'd like to contribute my two cents

of

worth.

1) Yes, Arni Krueger's most talented and accomplished trait seems

to

be

arousing hatred, very much a keen, acute almost ACID hatred even

within

the context of a somewhat trivial, vain, non-essential,

non-political

and luxurious realm of subject as music and high-end audio. This

for

me,

is a most surprising phenomenon that really would need some sound
analysis. Here you have a bunch of normal, music loving, highend
hobbying dudes and an anomaly, a bizarre entity that just isn't
explainable, that just seems to exist to bring up hate, to create

hate

within people! Curious.

I am sure that if this ****borg would play god as he does in some
political or religious context he would imminently attain first

hand

experience as to how ba-ad a bad-blood he conjures up in people.


For a few sadistic and attetntion-deprived pseudoscientists like
Krueger, eliciting hatred is what they live for. You're quite

correct

in assuming that no matter what the topic of discusion or NG,
Krueger
would quickly generate the same type of scorn and hostility he has
on
RAO. It might interest you to know that on RAHE

(rec.audio.high-end),

a moderated newsgroup, he has been banned by the moderators who

review

posts before they are published on the Internet. This was done

because

Krueger could not control his pathological need to smear others and
hurl personal insults at any and all with whom he disagrees about
almost anything. Others who post there, including myself, have not

had

this problem.





this mentally
ill hatemonger once again rambles about conspiracy theories

involving

Middius

A telling example of what I state above.. "Middius" seems to be a
democrat type of "thinking" person, concerned about social welfare

and

well being, etc, he seems to have some clever traits, an

imaginative,

though somewhat wiggly pen, enlightened views on things, etc. But

at

the

same time, this quite the "normal" and educated character exhibits

an

unhealthy dose of hatred and obsession against the ****borg
(understandably so).

Me, yes, I hate his very existence, and I am sorry to have to
exist

in

the same universe with this ****borg, unfortunately, I cannot

pinpoint

as to why I take such an obvious idiot seriously enough to hate
it,
since I cannot execute a truly objective analysis on my own

feelings.




It's probably just the revulsion and disgust that we all feel about
a
person that has single-handedly been responsible for more people
leaving RAO, never to return, then any other poster IMHO. The
number
of people postin here has decreased drastically since Krueger
started
his smear campaigns many yeaqrs ago.




As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be

that

he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons,

etc,

misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness and the situation

has

deteriorated further by the inherent impaired communication

environment

of the usenet discussion groups... Just what he has said or done
in
history to have him be the fourth (or fifth?) most hated character

here,

I have not yet figured it out. I have no time for google searches

and

researches so I guess the situation will just have to present

itself

in

the making ..


He is quite similar to Krueger in the sense that he has nothing
good

to

say about anybody, and more importantly, nothing whatsoever to say
about audio subjects. He also has a few unique despicable
qualities,
such as frequently voiced anti-Semitic comments directed agaisnt
several RAO posters, and strong support for Hamas suicide bombers

whose

actions he justifies by lying about their equivalence to that of
the
Israeli army's targeted killing of terrorist militants. AFAIK,
even
Krueger and McKelvy, have not used religion as a further tactic to
promote their hatemongering. Only Lionel holds that dubious
distinction. In addition, like Krueger, he has tried to attack as

many

different posters as possible. Apparently, he thinks that this
will
give him some sort of notoriety that has been missing in his life
as

a

sewer worker. Also, in common with those that fear the objective
analysis of their online behavior by a person qualified to make
that
kind of assessment (moi), he has nothing in his empty ammunition
belt
with which to respond, so he tries, unsuccessfully to question the
credentials of people with credentials he envies and
misunderstands.





McKelvy: Well, I think the daft duh!mikey is just that: stupid,
defective, dim-witted, dumdum, dumduck, dummy, feeble-minded,

gorked,

half-witted, held back, imbecile, retarded, slow or non-witted...


Jusr a few of the very many accurate descriptions that many on RAO

have

attached to this almost brain-dead imbecile.


He

doesn't lie or offend on purpose or with any given *intent*, you

see,

he

is just too stupid to really comprehend what he says, too damaged

to

really understand what others are trying to say to him, and too
monkey-like to "intend" on doing something or another. His "lies"

might

be the product of childish spite.


That's an interesting hypothsis. His slavish admiration of RAO's

rest

widely hated and despised poster *does* suggest that he is indeed
too
overwhelmingly stupid to see Krueger as about 95% of the rest of us

do.


He writes like a human, sometimes, and he obviously is able to use

a

computer, but these kinds of "abilities" are pretty much
habitually
obtainable by humans. I can't really pinpoint the source of his
delinquency (obviously), some form of an autistic defect that

inhibits

his perceptions after a certain point of complication and demand
on
analysis, perhaps, a trained professional psychologist might

enlighten

us here.

That's already been done. One factor you neglectedd to mention
in
your reasonable assessment of McKelvy's many cognitive deficits is
an
extreme lack of self-awareness. He continuously projects his own
paranoia-based fabrications on to others, while failing to
recognize
his lengthy history of lies and libels, which he stupidly calls
"opinions". He stupidly thinks that if he repeats the same lies
over
and over again that somebody other than a few fellow hatemongers
will
believe him.









Anyways, just my two cents of woth.



Brian T. Middius (a proud member of the Middius family of anonymous
Usenet trolls)

Bruce J. Richman wrote:

It might interest you to know that on RAHE (rec.audio.high-end),
a moderated newsgroup, he has been banned by the moderators who review
posts before they are published on the Internet.

Hmmm. I should subscribe to that group and perhaps start sticking around
there. Though moderation brings lag, delay, which is not nice.


He also has a few unique despicable qualities,
such as frequently voiced anti-Semitic comments directed agaisnt
several RAO posters, and strong support for Hamas suicide bombers whose
actions he justifies by lying about their equivalence to that of the
Israeli army's targeted killing of terrorist militants.


If he is indeed a racist nazi then he should be public enemy no:1 in
RAO. If he is critical of Israel about how she handles the arabs, then
he should try to suggest how one would go about handling a bunch of
fanatic religious-fascistic arabs that know next to nothing about
compromise and negotiation.

Fella said:

He also has a few unique despicable qualities,
such as frequently voiced anti-Semitic comments directed agaisnt
several RAO posters, and strong support for Hamas suicide bombers whose
actions he justifies by lying about their equivalence to that of the
Israeli army's targeted killing of terrorist militants.

If he is indeed a racist nazi then he should be public enemy no:1 in
RAO. If he is critical of Israel about how she handles the arabs, then
he should try to suggest how one would go about handling a bunch of
fanatic religious-fascistic arabs that know next to nothing about
compromise and negotiation.

In all fairness, that's not how *I* perceive Lionel's view on the
Arab/Israel issue.

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

Sander deWaal a écrit :
Fella said:


He also has a few unique despicable qualities,
such as frequently voiced anti-Semitic comments directed agaisnt
several RAO posters, and strong support for Hamas suicide bombers whose
actions he justifies by lying about their equivalence to that of the
Israeli army's targeted killing of terrorist militants.


If he is indeed a racist nazi then he should be public enemy no:1 in
RAO. If he is critical of Israel about how she handles the arabs, then
he should try to suggest how one would go about handling a bunch of
fanatic religious-fascistic arabs that know next to nothing about
compromise and negotiation.


In all fairness, that's not how *I* perceive Lionel's view on the
Arab/Israel issue.

I appreciate that you made the effort to understand my point on a such
difficult subject, and I thank you to write that now.

Sander deWaal wrote:
Fella said:

He also has a few unique despicable qualities,
such as frequently voiced anti-Semitic comments directed agaisnt
several RAO posters, and strong support for Hamas suicide bombers
whose
actions he justifies by lying about their equivalence to that of
the
Israeli army's targeted killing of terrorist militants.

If he is indeed a racist nazi then he should be public enemy no:1 in

RAO. If he is critical of Israel about how she handles the arabs,
then
he should try to suggest how one would go about handling a bunch of
fanatic religious-fascistic arabs that know next to nothing about
compromise and negotiation.

In all fairness, that's not how *I* perceive Lionel's view on the
Arab/Israel issue.


That's fine. We can agree to disagree. But did you ont see his posts
in whick he attempted to make a comparison between the Israeli targeted
assassination of Sheik Yassin - a known Hamas militant leader who
personally gave the orders of many suiide bomber attacks - and suicide
bombing. Heck, even McKelvy and I agreed on Lionel's obvious
prejudices here, and as you know, McKelvy and I agree on alomst
nothing.

There is also no disputing the fact that at least since I've been
posting on RAO,no poster other than Lionel has made a habit of talking
about another person's religion in many antiSemitic posts. For the
rest of us (even Krueger & McKelvy, what religion a person practices is
not an issue. For Lionel, it's just another example of his bigotry.
--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

Fella wrote:
Bruce J. Richman wrote:

It might interest you to know that on RAHE (rec.audio.high-end),
a moderated newsgroup, he has been banned by the moderators who
review
posts before they are published on the Internet.

Hmmm. I should subscribe to that group and perhaps start sticking
around
there. Though moderation brings lag, delay, which is not nice.



The funny thing about RAHE is that unlike many moderated avdio opinion
gorups, almost everybody posting there is an objectivist with views
similar to Krueger's. And while they haven't crosseed the line that
got Krueger kicked off, they have learned how to be just as arrogant,
snide, and confrontatioal as he has been when discussing audio. The
only difference is that they attack the message instead of the
messenger. Unfortunately for Krueger, he couldn't even abide by that
degree of latitude which the moderators allow.

There is a considerable lag in time from post to publication since I
think there are only one or 2 moderators, and they have other things to
do.

If you're not familiar with Audio Asylum, you should be. This is
perhaps the most active audio opinion newsgroup that I have seen. It's
supported by many in the industry, and has numerous subgroups for those
with different audio interests. (www.audioasylum.com)



He also has a few unique despicable qualities,
such as frequently voiced anti-Semitic comments directed agaisnt
several RAO posters, and strong support for Hamas suicide bombers
whose
actions he justifies by lying about their equivalence to that of
the
Israeli army's targeted killing of terrorist militants.


If he is indeed a racist nazi then he should be public enemy no:1 in
RAO. If he is critical of Israel about how she handles the arabs,
then
he should try to suggest how one would go about handling a bunch of
fanatic religious-fascistic arabs that know next to nothing about
compromise and negotiation.

Agreed.

"Bruce J. Richman" wrote in message
ups.com...

Fella wrote:
Bruce J. Richman wrote:

It might interest you to know that on RAHE (rec.audio.high-end),
a moderated newsgroup, he has been banned by the moderators who
review
posts before they are published on the Internet.

Hmmm. I should subscribe to that group and perhaps start sticking
around
there. Though moderation brings lag, delay, which is not nice.



The funny thing about RAHE is that unlike many moderated avdio opinion
gorups, almost everybody posting there is an objectivist with views
similar to Krueger's. And while they haven't crosseed the line that
got Krueger kicked off, they have learned how to be just as arrogant,
snide, and confrontatioal as he has been when discussing audio.

IOW they rip the subjectivists to shreds with facts.

The
only difference is that they attack the message instead of the
messenger.

Unlike you.

Unfortunately for Krueger, he couldn't even abide by that
degree of latitude which the moderators allow.

Hmm. I thought it woas because he wouldn't stop talking about ABX.

There is a considerable lag in time from post to publication since I
think there are only one or 2 moderators, and they have other things to
do.

If you're not familiar with Audio Asylum, you should be. This is
perhaps the most active audio opinion newsgroup that I have seen. It's
supported by many in the industry, and has numerous subgroups for those
with different audio interests. (www.audioasylum.com)

Fella said:

Me, yes, I hate [Krueger's] very existence, and I am sorry to have to exist in
the same universe with this ****borg, unfortunately, I cannot pinpoint
as to why I take such an obvious idiot seriously enough to hate it,
since I cannot execute a truly objective analysis on my own feelings.

Don't hate him.
Hate is good for nothing.
Ignore him, or make fun of him.
Just don't hate him, he's not worth it.

As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be that
he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons, etc,
misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness and the situation has
deteriorated further by the inherent impaired communication environment
of the usenet discussion groups... Just what he has said or done in
history to have him be the fourth (or fifth?) most hated character here,
I have not yet figured it out. I have no time for google searches and
researches so I guess the situation will just have to present itself in
the making ..

Lionel is more clever than many people think.
Remember: it's easy for an intelligent person to appear stupid, the
reverse doesn't happen.

McKelvy: Well, I think the daft duh!mikey is just that: stupid,
defective, dim-witted, dumdum, dumduck, dummy, feeble-minded, gorked,
half-witted, held back, imbecile, retarded, slow or non-witted... He
doesn't lie or offend on purpose or with any given *intent*, you see, he
is just too stupid to really comprehend what he says, too damaged to
really understand what others are trying to say to him, and too
monkey-like to "intend" on doing something or another. His "lies" might
be the product of childish spite.

Michael has some issues, but he has every right to express his
opinions about audio (or politics, religion etc.) as anyone else.
I wouldn't call him stupid.

Stubborn, yes, and very consistent in his opinions.
But also knowledgeable about loudspeakers.
If only he would post more about that.........

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

Sander deWaal wrote:
Fella said:


Me, yes, I hate [Krueger's] very existence, and I am sorry to have to exist in
the same universe with this ****borg, unfortunately, I cannot pinpoint
as to why I take such an obvious idiot seriously enough to hate it,
since I cannot execute a truly objective analysis on my own feelings.


Don't hate him.
Hate is good for nothing.
Ignore him, or make fun of him.
Just don't hate him, he's not worth it.

You are right, I shouldn't hate, it'll only feed it.




As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be that
he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons, etc,
misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness and the situation has
deteriorated further by the inherent impaired communication environment
of the usenet discussion groups... Just what he has said or done in
history to have him be the fourth (or fifth?) most hated character here,
I have not yet figured it out. I have no time for google searches and
researches so I guess the situation will just have to present itself in
the making ..


Lionel is more clever than many people think.
Remember: it's easy for an intelligent person to appear stupid, the
reverse doesn't happen.

Your response about mickey suggests that it might have.



McKelvy: Well, I think the daft duh!mikey is just that: stupid,
defective, dim-witted, dumdum, dumduck, dummy, feeble-minded, gorked,
half-witted, held back, imbecile, retarded, slow or non-witted... He
doesn't lie or offend on purpose or with any given *intent*, you see, he
is just too stupid to really comprehend what he says, too damaged to
really understand what others are trying to say to him, and too
monkey-like to "intend" on doing something or another. His "lies" might
be the product of childish spite.


Michael has some issues, but he has every right to express his
opinions about audio (or politics, religion etc.) as anyone else.

Yup, no denying that.

I wouldn't call him stupid.

It's frequently a forgotten, or "taken for granted" fact that parallel
to every vilage having it's idiot, also there is the "nice guy", of
every village.. In the village called RAO, that would be you. Though at
times I did sense anger bordering on hatred in some of your postings
with the ****borg.


But also knowledgeable about loudspeakers.

His is rather *memorized* information than processed knowledge,
obviously. More like a monkey, than a human.

If only he would post more about that.........


Yes, was it he or the ****borg that called sonus fabers "under
engineered" ? Or that buying a brand name tweeter and with "skills and
tools" one would end up with a sonus faber replica. That's why I
would asses his knowledgeability about speakers as questionable, since
he let his adverse feelings towards me cloud his judgement, which in the
end, proves that he posseses none.

He is free to express his opinion you say, yes, but if they are just
downright stupid (for instance; he melts the polar ice caps, no worries,
since a couple of ice cubes in a drink melts and the level of liquid is
unchanged, the environment, the kyoto agreement? forget about it, lets
all go ask mickey what will come to be then the rest of us have the
freedom to express our observations.

"Fella" wrote in message
.. .
Sander deWaal wrote:
Fella said:


Me, yes, I hate [Krueger's] very existence, and I am sorry to have to
exist in the same universe with this ****borg, unfortunately, I cannot
pinpoint as to why I take such an obvious idiot seriously enough to hate
it, since I cannot execute a truly objective analysis on my own feelings.



Don't hate him.
Hate is good for nothing.
Ignore him, or make fun of him.
Just don't hate him, he's not worth it.

You are right, I shouldn't hate, it'll only feed it.




As to Lionel, I dont know about him yet, haven't decided, could be that
he is French and you guys are majority americans, anglo saxons, etc,
misunderstand his inherent frenchy pompousness and the situation has
deteriorated further by the inherent impaired communication environment
of the usenet discussion groups... Just what he has said or done in
history to have him be the fourth (or fifth?) most hated character here,
I have not yet figured it out. I have no time for google searches and
researches so I guess the situation will just have to present itself in
the making ..


Lionel is more clever than many people think.
Remember: it's easy for an intelligent person to appear stupid, the
reverse doesn't happen.

Your response about mickey suggests that it might have.



McKelvy: Well, I think the daft duh!mikey is just that: stupid,
defective, dim-witted, dumdum, dumduck, dummy, feeble-minded, gorked,
half-witted, held back, imbecile, retarded, slow or non-witted... He
doesn't lie or offend on purpose or with any given *intent*, you see, he
is just too stupid to really comprehend what he says, too damaged to
really understand what others are trying to say to him, and too
monkey-like to "intend" on doing something or another. His "lies" might
be the product of childish spite.


Michael has some issues, but he has every right to express his
opinions about audio (or politics, religion etc.) as anyone else.

Yup, no denying that.

I wouldn't call him stupid.

It's frequently a forgotten, or "taken for granted" fact that parallel to
every vilage having it's idiot, also there is the "nice guy", of every
village.. In the village called RAO, that would be you. Though at times I
did sense anger bordering on hatred in some of your postings with the
****borg.


But also knowledgeable about loudspeakers.

His is rather *memorized* information than processed knowledge, obviously.
More like a monkey, than a human.

If only he would post more about that.........


Yes, was it he or the ****borg that called sonus fabers "under engineered"
? Or that buying a brand name tweeter and with "skills and tools" one
would end up with a sonus faber replica. That's why I would asses his
knowledgeability about speakers as questionable, since he let his adverse
feelings towards me cloud his judgement, which in the end, proves that he
posseses none.

I stand by my statement that a knowledgeable person could replicate the
sound of SF.


He is free to express his opinion you say, yes, but if they are just
downright stupid (for instance; he melts the polar ice caps, no worries,
since a couple of ice cubes in a drink melts and the level of liquid is
unchanged, the environment, the kyoto agreement? forget about it, lets all
go ask mickey what will come to be then the rest of us have the freedom
to express our observations.

Fella a écrit :

A telling example of what I state above.. "Middius" seems to be a
democrat type of "thinking" person, concerned about social welfare and
well being, etc,

Middius isn't a democrat and he will never be.
He is just a charming snobbish asshole who is too afraid by the lowest
classes of the society. This definitively forbids him any communication...
No communication, no democraty. :-(

"Fella" wrote in message
...
Bruce J. Richman wrote:
It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger, RAO's most
widely despised and hated poster,


As a relatively new poster in RAO I have been trying to find out who is
who, etc, and at this juncture I'd like to contribute my two cents of
worth.

1) Yes, Arni Krueger's most talented and accomplished trait seems to be
arousing hatred, very much a keen, acute almost ACID hatred even within
the context of a somewhat trivial, vain, non-essential, non-political and
luxurious realm of subject as music and high-end audio. This for me, is a
most surprising phenomenon that really would need some sound analysis.
Here you have a bunch of normal, music loving, highend hobbying dudes and
an anomaly, a bizarre entity that just isn't explainable, that just seems
to exist to bring up hate, to create hate within people! Curious.


Not for me. This has been one of the hallmarks of the audio hobby, since I
got interested in it.

I am sure that if this ****borg would play god as he does in some
political or religious context he would imminently attain first hand
experience as to how ba-ad a bad-blood he conjures up in people.

Some people don't like having their beliefs challenged, let alone debunked.

this mentally
ill hatemonger once again rambles about conspiracy theories involving
Middius

Had you been here sinceMiddius first showed up, you might have a different
view.

A telling example of what I state above.. "Middius" seems to be a democrat
type of "thinking" person, concerned about social welfare and well being,
etc, he seems to have some clever traits, an imaginative, though somewhat
wiggly pen, enlightened views on things, etc. But at the same time, this
quite the "normal" and educated character exhibits an unhealthy dose of
hatred and obsession against the ****borg (understandably so).

An opinion you get to have.

Me, yes, I hate his very existence, and I am sorry to have to exist in the
same universe with this ****borg, unfortunately, I cannot pinpoint as to
why I take such an obvious idiot seriously enough to hate it, since I
cannot execute a truly objective analysis on my own feelings.

Try learning more about audio.


McKelvy: Well, I think the daft duh!mikey is just that: stupid, defective,
dim-witted, dumdum, dumduck, dummy, feeble-minded, gorked, half-witted,
held back, imbecile, retarded, slow or non-witted..

AN opinion you get to have. Wrong, but you get to have it.

.. He
doesn't lie or offend on purpose or with any given *intent*, you see, he
is just too stupid to really comprehend what he says, too damaged to
really understand what others are trying to say to him, and too
monkey-like to "intend" on doing something or another. His "lies" might be
the product of childish spite.

Or, I just might have arrived at different conclusions.

He writes like a human, sometimes, and he obviously is able to use a
computer, but these kinds of "abilities" are pretty much habitually
obtainable by humans. I can't really pinpoint the source of his
delinquency (obviously), some form of an autistic defect that inhibits his
perceptions after a certain point of complication and demand on analysis,
perhaps, a trained professional psychologist might enlighten us here.


Unfortunately, none seem available. :-)


Anyways, just my two cents of woth.

Michael McKelvy wrote:
"Fella" wrote in message
...

Bruce J. Richman wrote:

It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger, RAO's most
widely despised and hated poster,


As a relatively new poster in RAO I have been trying to find out who is
who, etc, and at this juncture I'd like to contribute my two cents of
worth.

1) Yes, Arni Krueger's most talented and accomplished trait seems to be
arousing hatred, very much a keen, acute almost ACID hatred even within
the context of a somewhat trivial, vain, non-essential, non-political and
luxurious realm of subject as music and high-end audio. This for me, is a
most surprising phenomenon that really would need some sound analysis.
Here you have a bunch of normal, music loving, highend hobbying dudes and
an anomaly, a bizarre entity that just isn't explainable, that just seems
to exist to bring up hate, to create hate within people! Curious.



Not for me. This has been one of the hallmarks of the audio hobby, since I
got interested in it.


What reply is that for what was said above? What "this"? If at all
possible, I think you're getting dumber.



I am sure that if this ****borg would play god as he does in some
political or religious context he would imminently attain first hand
experience as to how ba-ad a bad-blood he conjures up in people.


Some people don't like having their beliefs challenged, let alone debunked.

Nothing to do with beliefs, more to do with the way he expresses himself.

But generally in all walks of life there is the extreme edge, also in
highend audio, what with all them tice clocks, green pens, etc. But
little souls like the ****borg think they can debunk the WHOLE
enchillada since an extreme edge, the marginality exists.


this mentally
ill hatemonger once again rambles about conspiracy theories involving
Middius

Had you been here sinceMiddius first showed up, you might have a different
view.

I am not taking your word for it, in fact, if I was dying of thirst I
wouldn't take a glass of water from you. What comes to Middius, perhaps
he has evolved, bettered himself. In any case, a three word sentence
from him (or most anyone else, for that matter) would be worth more then
books of writing from fools like you, ****borg, ferstler, etc.

You are like blind men describing something big you've never seen
before, say, an elephant. You guys are holding the trunk saying "this
elephant thing is a form of snake, let it be known as such for all
eternity, anyone thinking otherwise is deluded, their utter lack of
scientific knowledge is also noted".

So all in all, if it wasn't for the cockhead attitude it would be a nice
laugh.


Me, yes, I hate his very existence, and I am sorry to have to exist in the
same universe with this ****borg, unfortunately, I cannot pinpoint as to
why I take such an obvious idiot seriously enough to hate it, since I
cannot execute a truly objective analysis on my own feelings.


Try learning more about audio.


Shut up you grotesque cockhead, what's audio got to do with it!


McKelvy: Well, I think the daft duh!mikey is just that: stupid, defective,
dim-witted, dumdum, dumduck, dummy, feeble-minded, gorked, half-witted,
held back, imbecile, retarded, slow or non-witted..


AN opinion you get to have. Wrong, but you get to have it.

I gave you an assignment you dumdum. I said: "fill a glass with ice,
that some go over the top, then fill the glass to the rim with water.
Watch what happens". You do not need to know about polar geography to
figure out what would happen if you had a brain cell usable for
*DEDUCTING* you retard (it seems all the undamaged cells of your brain
are tied up with the repeating of the memorized). But since you DON'T,
do the this experiment and come back to me. Be a man! (Damn that almost
hurt when writing it, mickey the dumdum being a "man", sad day for men..)

"Bruce J. Richman" said:

It's quite clear to all reasonable individuals that Krueger, RAO's most
widely despised and hated poster, can't tear himself away from his
computer terminal before generating new attack threads about others.
This latest atempt to eliminate any and all legitimate efforts to
expose the dishonesty inherent in McKelvy's recent bogus proposal is
both predictable and idiotic - 2 traits frequehntly found in Krueger's
paranoia-driven posts. As he has done for over 7 years, this mentally
ill hatemonger once again rambles about conspiracy theories involving
Middius - another one of his extremely delusional notions not supported
by any evidence. It's worth that, for the most part, only another
pathological flamer, Lionel "The Idiot" Chapuis, bothered to respond to
Krueger's latest insane ravings. Losers like these 2 of nothing to
offer to anybody other than those who, at one time in hiistory, would
visit insane asylums to watch the mentally ill "perform" faor them.
Krueger & Lionel are a modern-day version of ewhat happens when 2
severely diseased cretins are given access to a keyboard by their
handlers. As all can see, it's hard to find a rational thought or
credible word between the two of them.

Didn't you read it?
Arny's here only for fun ;-) !

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "