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On 2004-08-29 said:
he did sound angry. Glad he's not in my band.
[complete quote of previous post cut]
It appears to me todays computer keyboards can no longer be used to
edit quotes. Everyone seems to just top-post. Back when 33K modems
were top of the line some people would get quite ****ed over that..
;^) But then again it's still better then people quoting 4 pages of
previous posts only to add 1 line at the bottom.. }

I still do because why waste all that bandwidth for leaving the quoted
post below your comments.

wIth my screenreader I have to shut it up to not read me all that
header info that I don't care about, then naturally it leaves my
reading cursor at the bottom of the screen, so now I"ve got to wander
up a line at a time looking for the meat of the post. THen it's some
bonehead who left 150 lines of quoted material under his one liner
reply.

GUess with all that fancy gui **** they don't supply a good user
friendly editor for email messages. Back in the fidonet days when
9600 baud was king and I ran a bbs all sorts of good offline readers
where you pick your text editor of choice were the norm.

Just a grouchy old man. Has not been a fun weekend so far grrrr
guess I'll retire to a shot of JD and a pipe for the rest of the day.





Richard Webb,
Electric SPider Productions, New Orleans, La.
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On 2004-08-29 said:
Did a show last night at a very swanky club in Denver.
They had the house music cranked insanely loud with that nasty
techno-dance crap and they wouldn't turn it off for us to do a
sound-check.
Being prevented from doing a soundcheck under those circumstances
constitutes failure to provide the necessary facilities to perform
your job. You don't even need a tech rider for that to stand up in
court. Simply give a manager an invoice for the full agreed rate
including your lawyer's contact info, and start loading the gear
back into the van.
snippage
But more importantly, you should know that a proper
sound tech / road manager SAVES you money in the long run. That's
why they exist. They're not something you can't afford, they're
something you can't afford to be without. Have a chat with one
sometime about the nightmare gigs like this one you've had in the
past, and you'll find they have a solution to every problem you've
faced.
IN 100% agreement with this poster. I'm working with one client right
now that doesn't seem to understand that if the show needs to go on
they need to meet the talent's tech rider. OTherwise they might pay
their money and get zip. Hmmm amateurs.

HIring a pro to do your sound and letting the drummer's girlfriend
actually hang out and enjoy the show would be well worth the money for
your band. IF she is
not pro enough to work under potentially adverse conditions then she's
not pro enough to be running your sound if you're truly professionals.
IF it happens that she and the drummer own the gear then get her some
experience behind the board and pay them so she can learn from them.
































































































































































































Richard Webb,
Electric SPider Productions, New Orleans, La.
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Ultimatums work great if you have balls (i.e.; don't care which outcome
happens ) and clout, but one aspect that should be mentioned is that this
band didn't need to create a bad rep. They seem to be looking to get more
gigs and canceling the gig due to no s-check isn't going to inspire a lot of
phone calls. Especially since it's not clear whether the club actually has a
setup time and was not inquired about by the band previous to the gig.

Joe L

Ultimatums work great if you have balls (i.e.; don't care which outcome
happens ) and clout, but one aspect that should be mentioned is that this
band didn't need to create a bad rep. They seem to be looking to get more
gigs and canceling the gig due to no s-check isn't going to inspire a lot of
phone calls. Especially since it's not clear whether the club actually has a
setup time and was not inquired about by the band previous to the gig.

Joe L