BIG disappointment for the ears...
That was one hell of a rig just for a vocal and 'body-shaking' kick!?
Seriously, that was all there was until 2nd to last song of the set, when
the kick was FINALLY dropped and the odd guitar solo made a desperate
attempt to reach FOH.
The band changed guitars just about every song, I got to hear only the
acoustic...
Occasionally, I heard the backline coming off the stage in the quieter
(kick/vocal) sections. There was a keyboard player on stage too although the
only audible evidence was a bassline he played in one of the tunes.
Last song of the set - snare and hats have arrived!, followed later by a
hint of cymbals and the sound of distant guitars.
1st encore - the level from sub boxes has now been greatly reduced and the
sound of a band creeps though! This would have been a good 'first song'
sound, if only my head hadn't been made to suffer the previous hour and a
half of abuse.
2nd encore - FOH engineer's appear to have finished for the day...time to
leave...£80 lighter and very p****d off...

For the record, I was seated on the (lower) side tiers, along with the other
70-80% of the crowd. I realise the venue isn't 'ideal', but I've heard
several bands sound amazing from the same position, so this is NOT an
excuse. The tiers had great coverage from the flown arrays, there just
wasn't anything in them!
The backline was pretty big, and pointed straight at the board. This may
account for its lack of existence in the rig? but this IS a professional
sound company right??

Did anyone else go to the gig? What did you think? Where were you
positioned?

Anyone know who the two guys were running FOH?? I'd rather not waste my time
or money next time.
Anyone care to take responsibility??
Go on.... you know you want to...

Dave.

This sounds like a classic case of the ME not walking the room during
sound check. It sounds like there was a matrix mix that was set up for
the ancillary fills, that wasn't being paid attention to. I've learned
the hard way that you MUST walk the venue. Listening only from the mix
position means you're only going to be mixing FOR the mix position.
Every area in a given venue is going to sound different, and if you
don't mix in it every day, you better walk it! Even during the gig if
the set permits...

Rupert

This sounds like a classic case of the ME not walking the room during
sound check.


That, & the belief, common to many in the pop world, that the kick is the most
important instrument in the band.

Scott Fraser

This sounds like a classic case of the ME not walking the room during
sound check.


That, & the belief, common to many in the pop world, that the kick is the most
important instrument in the band.

Scott Fraser

Which of course is ridiculous, as I'm sure you realize. The COWBELL is
the most important instrument in the band. The more, the better

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This sounds like a classic case of the ME not walking the room during
sound check.


That, & the belief, common to many in the pop world, that the kick is the most
important instrument in the band.

Scott Fraser

Which of course is ridiculous, as I'm sure you realize. The COWBELL is
the most important instrument in the band. The more, the better

Brian Dipert
Technical Editor: Mass Storage, Memory, Multimedia, PC Core Logic and Peripherals, and Programmable Logic
EDN Magazine: http://www.edn.com
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This sounds like a classic case of the ME not walking the room during
sound check.


That, & the belief, common to many in the pop world, that the kick is the most
important instrument in the band.

Scott Fraser

Rupert wrote in message
om...
This sounds like a classic case of the ME not walking the room during
sound check. It sounds like there was a matrix mix that was set up for
the ancillary fills, that wasn't being paid attention to.

That would certainly explain it.

I've learned
the hard way that you MUST walk the venue. Listening only from the mix
position means you're only going to be mixing FOR the mix position.
Every area in a given venue is going to sound different, and if you
don't mix in it every day, you better walk it! Even during the gig if
the set permits...

Rupert

I find it hard to believe that an engineer responsible for such a gig
WOULDN'T have walked the room, but the only other excuse would be that he
wasn't up to the job. Maybe he was very cheap?

Dave.

Rupert wrote in message
om...
This sounds like a classic case of the ME not walking the room during
sound check. It sounds like there was a matrix mix that was set up for
the ancillary fills, that wasn't being paid attention to.

That would certainly explain it.

I've learned
the hard way that you MUST walk the venue. Listening only from the mix
position means you're only going to be mixing FOR the mix position.
Every area in a given venue is going to sound different, and if you
don't mix in it every day, you better walk it! Even during the gig if
the set permits...

Rupert

I find it hard to believe that an engineer responsible for such a gig
WOULDN'T have walked the room, but the only other excuse would be that he
wasn't up to the job. Maybe he was very cheap?

Dave.

This sounds like a classic case of the ME not walking the room during
sound check. It sounds like there was a matrix mix that was set up for
the ancillary fills, that wasn't being paid attention to. I've learned
the hard way that you MUST walk the venue. Listening only from the mix
position means you're only going to be mixing FOR the mix position.
Every area in a given venue is going to sound different, and if you
don't mix in it every day, you better walk it! Even during the gig if
the set permits...

Rupert

"Oily" davematthews(AAATTT)bigfoot(DOTTT)com wrote in message
...
Anyone know who the two guys were running FOH?? I'd rather not waste my
time
or money next time.
Anyone care to take responsibility??
Go on.... you know you want to...

Engineer obviously didn't walk the room properly during soundcheck. MEN is
not that hard a place to get a good sound in if the system is set up right
and you hang drapes in the right places. Is a lot easier than most of the
arena venues in the UK, none of which are all that good.

As far as I know it was J(unk) B(lasting) L(oudly) vertec rig provided by
Concert Sound but I'm not 100% sure on that.

Phildo

As far as I know it was J(unk) B(lasting) L(oudly) vertec rig provided by
Concert Sound but I'm not 100% sure on that.

But the Vertec systems don't fit the old Junk, But Loud reputation of JBL's
other ****.


Scott Fraser

I thought they were using the Meyer M3D's?

ScotFraser wrote:

As far as I know it was J(unk) B(lasting) L(oudly) vertec rig provided by
Concert Sound but I'm not 100% sure on that.

But the Vertec systems don't fit the old Junk, But Loud reputation of JBL's
other ****.

Scott Fraser

--
Nathan

'What if the hokey pokey is really what it's all about?'

I thought they were using the Meyer M3D's?

ScotFraser wrote:

As far as I know it was J(unk) B(lasting) L(oudly) vertec rig provided by
Concert Sound but I'm not 100% sure on that.

But the Vertec systems don't fit the old Junk, But Loud reputation of JBL's
other ****.

Scott Fraser

--
Nathan

'What if the hokey pokey is really what it's all about?'

As far as I know it was J(unk) B(lasting) L(oudly) vertec rig provided by
Concert Sound but I'm not 100% sure on that.

But the Vertec systems don't fit the old Junk, But Loud reputation of JBL's
other ****.


Scott Fraser

"Oily" davematthews(AAATTT)bigfoot(DOTTT)com wrote in message
...
Anyone know who the two guys were running FOH?? I'd rather not waste my
time
or money next time.
Anyone care to take responsibility??
Go on.... you know you want to...

Engineer obviously didn't walk the room properly during soundcheck. MEN is
not that hard a place to get a good sound in if the system is set up right
and you hang drapes in the right places. Is a lot easier than most of the
arena venues in the UK, none of which are all that good.

As far as I know it was J(unk) B(lasting) L(oudly) vertec rig provided by
Concert Sound but I'm not 100% sure on that.

Phildo