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Chris Hornbeck

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Chris Hornbeck

A tragedy, indeed. But something doesn't smell right about this article. I
admit I didn't read the whole thing, but upon scanning most of it I noticed
that it was dated yesterday (Saturday, May, 29), but included the following:

"Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) learned about Turner's dilemma and stepped
in to help. Previously, Kennedy, the USO and Sen. John F. Kerry, another
Massachusetts Democrat, helped Turner's family"

Does it seem odd to anyone else that Kerry would be identified in this way
in a current political article? I may be barking up a tree here, but the
fact that his identity had to be explained at all, and that said explanation
didn't mention that he's the Democratic Presidential nominee (let's not get
technical about the nomination not being officical yet) just doesn't sound
legit.

NOT that I want to take issue with the general message its trying to get
across.

"Chris Hornbeck" wrote in message
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Chris Hornbeck

A tragedy, indeed. But something doesn't smell right about this article. I
admit I didn't read the whole thing, but upon scanning most of it I noticed
that it was dated yesterday (Saturday, May, 29), but included the following:

"Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) learned about Turner's dilemma and stepped
in to help. Previously, Kennedy, the USO and Sen. John F. Kerry, another
Massachusetts Democrat, helped Turner's family"

Does it seem odd to anyone else that Kerry would be identified in this way
in a current political article? I may be barking up a tree here, but the
fact that his identity had to be explained at all, and that said explanation
didn't mention that he's the Democratic Presidential nominee (let's not get
technical about the nomination not being officical yet) just doesn't sound
legit.

NOT that I want to take issue with the general message its trying to get
across.

"Chris Hornbeck" wrote in message
...

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Chris Hornbeck

I've spoken on this a number of times here, and even wrote a song about it
in the mid-80s, called The Ballad of Wolfman, who was a well known homeless
man sleeping on grates here in DC until they found him dead of exposure, ran
a fingerprint check and found him to be a Medal of Honor winner in 'Nam. He
apparently never even attempted to try to get compensation (MOH winners
receive $1000 per month for life) or medical treatment from the Bureau of
Veteran's Affairs (now the Veteran's Administration) and just took to living
on the streets. In all of the service organization meetings I've attended
(Purple Heart, American Legion, Veterans of Foriegn Wars, and my own
organization, AMVets) there are tales of known veterans living the in the
vast wilds of Oregon, Washington State and Alaska, just to prevent
themselves from having to come into much if any contact with "normal"
humans.

With this prolonged use of Reservists and National Guard, even jobs are no
longer available that, by law, as supposed to be available to returning "on
active duty" Guardsmen and Reservists. The average enlisted man below E5 is
qualified by income to be on welfare, even including seperate rats. VA
support of returning vets has been cut by this President's last two budgets
by 2.5 Billion dollars per year causing VA hospitals to be closed all over
the US. Guardsmen also aren't entitled to the same benefits that active
military are, thereby costing the government much less money to use them
than Active Duty personnel.

I'd suggest anyone interested in learning about how badly this
administration is actually treating our troops to check into Col. David
Hackworth's website www.sftt.org for further information.

--


Roger W. Norman
Past Eastern District Commander, State of VA, AMVets.

Roger W. Norman wrote:

there are tales of known veterans living the in the
vast wilds of Oregon, Washington State and Alaska, just to prevent
themselves from having to come into much if any contact with "normal"
humans.

Got 'em hereabouts, in the canyons of the rivers. The ones who can deal
go to town every now and then to get supplies for the rest of the
"campers". Otherwise these guys stay invisible to the public at large,
and even the ones who hitchhike for supplies don't tell their ride where
and why they're "camping".

--
ha

hank alrich wrote:

Roger W. Norman wrote:


there are tales of known veterans living the in the
vast wilds of Oregon, Washington State and Alaska, just to prevent
themselves from having to come into much if any contact with "normal"
humans.


Got 'em hereabouts, in the canyons of the rivers. The ones who can deal
go to town every now and then to get supplies for the rest of the
"campers". Otherwise these guys stay invisible to the public at large,
and even the ones who hitchhike for supplies don't tell their ride where
and why they're "camping".

I just hate it when I start to thinking that maybe this
country deserves the destruction it's administration seems
hell bent on bringing it.

That kind of thinking got me in more than a bit of trouble
in the '60s and it really annoys me when it starts kicking
up again. Heavy sigh.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

I just hate it when I start to thinking that maybe this
country deserves the destruction it's administration seems
hell bent on bringing it.

That kind of thinking got me in more than a bit of trouble
in the '60s and it really annoys me when it starts kicking
up again. Heavy sigh.


Bob

Indeed.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
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hank alrich wrote:

Roger W. Norman wrote:


there are tales of known veterans living the in the
vast wilds of Oregon, Washington State and Alaska, just to prevent
themselves from having to come into much if any contact with "normal"
humans.


Got 'em hereabouts, in the canyons of the rivers. The ones who can deal
go to town every now and then to get supplies for the rest of the
"campers". Otherwise these guys stay invisible to the public at large,
and even the ones who hitchhike for supplies don't tell their ride where
and why they're "camping".

--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

I just hate it when I start to thinking that maybe this
country deserves the destruction it's administration seems
hell bent on bringing it.

That kind of thinking got me in more than a bit of trouble
in the '60s and it really annoys me when it starts kicking
up again. Heavy sigh.


Bob

Indeed.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Bob Cain" wrote in message
...


hank alrich wrote:

Roger W. Norman wrote:


there are tales of known veterans living the in the
vast wilds of Oregon, Washington State and Alaska, just to prevent
themselves from having to come into much if any contact with "normal"
humans.


Got 'em hereabouts, in the canyons of the rivers. The ones who can deal
go to town every now and then to get supplies for the rest of the
"campers". Otherwise these guys stay invisible to the public at large,
and even the ones who hitchhike for supplies don't tell their ride where
and why they're "camping".

--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

In article ,
Bob Cain wrote:

hank alrich wrote:

Roger W. Norman wrote:


there are tales of known veterans living the in the
vast wilds of Oregon, Washington State and Alaska, just to prevent
themselves from having to come into much if any contact with "normal"
humans.


Got 'em hereabouts, in the canyons of the rivers. The ones who can deal
go to town every now and then to get supplies for the rest of the
"campers". Otherwise these guys stay invisible to the public at large,
and even the ones who hitchhike for supplies don't tell their ride where
and why they're "camping".

I just hate it when I start to thinking that maybe this
country deserves the destruction it's administration seems
hell bent on bringing it.

That kind of thinking got me in more than a bit of trouble
in the '60s and it really annoys me when it starts kicking
up again. Heavy sigh.


Bob


I'm in the same boat. We played a little gig Sunday at which a now-homeless
woman was assaulted somewhere in the vicinity and came in for help. She was
recently laid off from the college where she worked as a groundskeeper due to
budget cuts and now has nowhere to live and no support system. There's just too
much of this kind of crap going on.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x-------- http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jay/ ----------x

I'm in the same boat. We played a little gig Sunday at which a now-homeless
woman was assaulted somewhere in the vicinity and came in for help. She was
recently laid off from the college where she worked as a groundskeeper due to

budget cuts and now has nowhere to live and no support system. There's just
too
much of this kind of crap going on.

Hold on a minute....can you elaborate a little. A women gets laid off....she is
instantly homeless..then assaulted. I agree this sounds like a tragedy but to
think this is commonplace is a little hysterical. And what exactly is to be
done? What was the rest of the story? For the record ..I believe that every
poiltician is dishonest at best.




John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

I'm in the same boat. We played a little gig Sunday at which a now-homeless
woman was assaulted somewhere in the vicinity and came in for help. She was
recently laid off from the college where she worked as a groundskeeper due to

budget cuts and now has nowhere to live and no support system. There's just
too
much of this kind of crap going on.

Hold on a minute....can you elaborate a little. A women gets laid off....she is
instantly homeless..then assaulted. I agree this sounds like a tragedy but to
think this is commonplace is a little hysterical. And what exactly is to be
done? What was the rest of the story? For the record ..I believe that every
poiltician is dishonest at best.




John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

In article ,
Bob Cain wrote:

hank alrich wrote:

Roger W. Norman wrote:


there are tales of known veterans living the in the
vast wilds of Oregon, Washington State and Alaska, just to prevent
themselves from having to come into much if any contact with "normal"
humans.


Got 'em hereabouts, in the canyons of the rivers. The ones who can deal
go to town every now and then to get supplies for the rest of the
"campers". Otherwise these guys stay invisible to the public at large,
and even the ones who hitchhike for supplies don't tell their ride where
and why they're "camping".

I just hate it when I start to thinking that maybe this
country deserves the destruction it's administration seems
hell bent on bringing it.

That kind of thinking got me in more than a bit of trouble
in the '60s and it really annoys me when it starts kicking
up again. Heavy sigh.


Bob


I'm in the same boat. We played a little gig Sunday at which a now-homeless
woman was assaulted somewhere in the vicinity and came in for help. She was
recently laid off from the college where she worked as a groundskeeper due to
budget cuts and now has nowhere to live and no support system. There's just too
much of this kind of crap going on.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x-------- http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jay/ ----------x

hank alrich wrote:

Roger W. Norman wrote:


there are tales of known veterans living the in the
vast wilds of Oregon, Washington State and Alaska, just to prevent
themselves from having to come into much if any contact with "normal"
humans.


Got 'em hereabouts, in the canyons of the rivers. The ones who can deal
go to town every now and then to get supplies for the rest of the
"campers". Otherwise these guys stay invisible to the public at large,
and even the ones who hitchhike for supplies don't tell their ride where
and why they're "camping".

I just hate it when I start to thinking that maybe this
country deserves the destruction it's administration seems
hell bent on bringing it.

That kind of thinking got me in more than a bit of trouble
in the '60s and it really annoys me when it starts kicking
up again. Heavy sigh.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Roger W. Norman wrote:

there are tales of known veterans living the in the
vast wilds of Oregon, Washington State and Alaska, just to prevent
themselves from having to come into much if any contact with "normal"
humans.

Got 'em hereabouts, in the canyons of the rivers. The ones who can deal
go to town every now and then to get supplies for the rest of the
"campers". Otherwise these guys stay invisible to the public at large,
and even the ones who hitchhike for supplies don't tell their ride where
and why they're "camping".

--
ha

"Chris Hornbeck" wrote in message
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Chris Hornbeck

I've spoken on this a number of times here, and even wrote a song about it
in the mid-80s, called The Ballad of Wolfman, who was a well known homeless
man sleeping on grates here in DC until they found him dead of exposure, ran
a fingerprint check and found him to be a Medal of Honor winner in 'Nam. He
apparently never even attempted to try to get compensation (MOH winners
receive $1000 per month for life) or medical treatment from the Bureau of
Veteran's Affairs (now the Veteran's Administration) and just took to living
on the streets. In all of the service organization meetings I've attended
(Purple Heart, American Legion, Veterans of Foriegn Wars, and my own
organization, AMVets) there are tales of known veterans living the in the
vast wilds of Oregon, Washington State and Alaska, just to prevent
themselves from having to come into much if any contact with "normal"
humans.

With this prolonged use of Reservists and National Guard, even jobs are no
longer available that, by law, as supposed to be available to returning "on
active duty" Guardsmen and Reservists. The average enlisted man below E5 is
qualified by income to be on welfare, even including seperate rats. VA
support of returning vets has been cut by this President's last two budgets
by 2.5 Billion dollars per year causing VA hospitals to be closed all over
the US. Guardsmen also aren't entitled to the same benefits that active
military are, thereby costing the government much less money to use them
than Active Duty personnel.

I'd suggest anyone interested in learning about how badly this
administration is actually treating our troops to check into Col. David
Hackworth's website www.sftt.org for further information.

--


Roger W. Norman
Past Eastern District Commander, State of VA, AMVets.