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Lionel
 
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Default Just for a little more fun.

The first one reamains the best. :-)

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As all RAO regulars know, Michigander Arnii Krooger accused
Californian Scott Wheeler of being a pedophile, and Wheeler took such
offense that he threatened to sue Krooger for libel unless the
accusation is retracted. So far, Krooger has attempted to ply his
"debating trade" garbage rather than comply. This has consisted of
impugning the legal knowledge of everybody who has offered an informed
opinion of libel law, making up alleged "legal principles" out of thin
air, and (as usual) twisting what people say and throwing in a
generous helping of meaningless lies. In short, Krooger has been
unable to recognize that Wheeler is not just playing the RAO game as
usual, but apparently intends to pursue his claim to a court in the
real world. Wheeler gave Krooger until Sept. 20 to retract the post
and apologize for it.

My prediction: On Sept. 19 or 20 -- but not before -- Krooger will
comply in a half-assed way. He will claim that he consulted a lawyer
or lawyers earlier, but the lawyers lied to him. He'll also claim he
did voluminous research on libel law in Michigan, California, and the
U.S., but the books he read lied to him. He'll further claim that
although he made the post, it wasn't really his fault, because
Wheeler's "teammates" or "co-conspirators" or "fellow paid character
assassins" have made the same accusation against Krooger. Or because
RAO has been a nasty little playground for years. Or because Wheeler
"insulted" Krooger at some point. Or some other flimsy excuse. In
short, the apology will be unsatisfactory because Krooger will avoid
taking responsibility for what he said.

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I think that if Scott can show that his being publically labeled as a
pedophile
in a widely read Usenet newsgroup is libelous, he has a decent chance of
winning his case - but that would be up to the courts to decide. I don't
presume, as you do, I guess, that all name-calling here and all lies here
are
harmless. Accusing somebody of criminatl behavior or practicing a
profession
without a license - as Krueger has done repeatedly on RAO - are quite likely
actionable in my view. You assume that since almost nobody believes him, it
does no harm. Have I lost any business (or has Scot) because of this? It's
probably impossible to tell. (Same would apply for Stereophile, I suppose).

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Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
Licensed Psychologist

(signed this way because of pending libel suit against Krueger scheduled
to begin on 9/20/03 per Mr. Wheeler - and the need to possibly provide
supportive documentary evidence).
Bruce J. Richman

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Why are you so eager to dissuade Mister Wheeler from filing his
lawsuit against the Krooborg, or, in the alternative, for the clerk of
the court to "reject" the filing, or, in the alternative alternative,
for a judge to dismiss the case?

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He couldn't summons the courage to do even that. He's probably hiding under
his bed, hoping the proces servers won't find him.

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Arny Krueger
 
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Default Just for a little more fun.

"Lionel" wrote in message


The first one reamains the best. :-)


It clearly demonstrates the huge legal talent of Middius and Richman (who
clearly agreed with Middius), as well as their ability to predict the
behavior of other human beings. What a bunch of mental giants!

original post's headers, to prevent confusion

From: George M. Middius
Newsgroups: rec.audio.opinion
Subject: Kwestion for the Krooborg
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 12:40:14 -0400
Organization: Anti-Cyborg Resistance, North America
Message-ID:
Reply-To:


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As all RAO regulars know, Michigander Arnii Krooger accused
Californian Scott Wheeler of being a pedophile, and Wheeler took such
offense that he threatened to sue Krooger for libel unless the
accusation is retracted. So far, Krooger has attempted to ply his
"debating trade" garbage rather than comply. This has consisted of
impugning the legal knowledge of everybody who has offered an informed
opinion of libel law, making up alleged "legal principles" out of thin
air, and (as usual) twisting what people say and throwing in a
generous helping of meaningless lies. In short, Krooger has been
unable to recognize that Wheeler is not just playing the RAO game as
usual, but apparently intends to pursue his claim to a court in the
real world. Wheeler gave Krooger until Sept. 20 to retract the post
and apologize for it.

My prediction: On Sept. 19 or 20 -- but not before -- Krooger will
comply in a half-assed way. He will claim that he consulted a lawyer
or lawyers earlier, but the lawyers lied to him. He'll also claim he
did voluminous research on libel law in Michigan, California, and the
U.S., but the books he read lied to him. He'll further claim that
although he made the post, it wasn't really his fault, because
Wheeler's "teammates" or "co-conspirators" or "fellow paid character
assassins" have made the same accusation against Krooger. Or because
RAO has been a nasty little playground for years. Or because Wheeler
"insulted" Krooger at some point. Or some other flimsy excuse. In
short, the apology will be unsatisfactory because Krooger will avoid
taking responsibility for what he said.

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I think that if Scott can show that his being publically labeled as a
pedophile
in a widely read Usenet newsgroup is libelous, he has a decent chance
of winning his case - but that would be up to the courts to decide.
I don't presume, as you do, I guess, that all name-calling here and
all lies here are
harmless. Accusing somebody of criminatl behavior or practicing a
profession
without a license - as Krueger has done repeatedly on RAO - are quite
likely actionable in my view. You assume that since almost nobody
believes him, it does no harm. Have I lost any business (or has
Scot) because of this? It's probably impossible to tell. (Same would
apply for Stereophile, I suppose).

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Bruce J. Richman, Ph.D.
Licensed Psychologist

(signed this way because of pending libel suit against Krueger
scheduled to begin on 9/20/03 per Mr. Wheeler - and the need to
possibly provide supportive documentary evidence).
Bruce J. Richman


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Why are you so eager to dissuade Mister Wheeler from filing his
lawsuit against the Krooborg, or, in the alternative, for the clerk of
the court to "reject" the filing, or, in the alternative alternative,
for a judge to dismiss the case?

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He couldn't summons the courage to do even that. He's probably hiding
under his bed, hoping the proces servers won't find him.

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