[geoff]

Well, some at least.

http://tinyurl.com/y659bgwm

geoff

[[email protected]]

geoff:

You, Scott, Mike R, and that thing from MA used to be sick
of it whenever *I* breached that topic, yet here you go
bringing it up again with that Times article!

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Thecckhhhh-mama keystoker.retardsRtheckma.edu
wrote in message
...

You, Scott, Mike R, and that thing from MA used to be sick
of it whenever *I* breached that topic, yet here you go
bringing it up again with that Times article!

You never did figure out why, did you? Even when it's been explained
to you in simplified toddler terms, you've always been just too retarded
to get it. And this post shows that you're still proudly, defiantly, and
impotently retarded. Wave your numpty flag high, li'l buddy!


By the way, skidmark, I'm reading your post that you posted on a
public forum. That doesn't mean that I'm "tracking every keystroke"
on your tablet or any such retarded dumb-****ery. If you post on a
public forum (even if it's not usenet), I may be reading. I may read
your spew even before it's deleted by the moderators for being
off-topic, prohibited, and as stupid as as stump. That's not
stalking.

Your lame attempts at doxxing by guessing at IP addresses or locations,
and then publicly posting them, is a little more like stalking, bless your
heart. OK, now you can go out and sit on the sidewalk in your rascal
scooter and yell at the passing cars that you don't like their tires.


HTH. DJBF. FCKWAFRDF!

[geoff]

On 4/09/2019 4:14 am, wrote:
geoff:

You, Scott, Mike R, and that thing from MA used to be sick
of it whenever *I* breached that topic, yet here you go
bringing it up again with that Times article!



Nothing wrong with breaching the topic - it is something of interest to
most of us here. And this is a nice concise article about it, including
relevant samples and graphics.

Read/look/listen ten times and even you might start to understand the
issue properly, instead of shooting off half-truths, inaccuracies,
misconceptions, and totally wrong ****.

geoff

[[email protected]]

geoff wrote: "Nothing wrong with breaching the topic - it is something of interest to
most of us here. And this is a nice concise article about it, including
relevant samples and graphics.

Read/look/listen ten times and even you might start to understand the
issue properly, instead of shooting off half-truths, inaccuracies,
misconceptions, and totally wrong ****. "

geoff"


Nothing I don't already know, although the illustrations and audible demos are quite useful.

So geoff, and I mean ONLY GEOFF: Please list some examples of "half-truths, inaccuracies,
misconceptions, and totally wrong ****" you *allege* I have been "shooting off".

(I'd love to hear this..)

[None]

Theckma, the village idiot theckmaaaah @ dum**** . shortbus . edu

wrote in message
...

Nothing I don't already know, although the illustrations and audible demos
are quite useful.

Nice that you still have a sense of humour, and you can laugh at
how retarded you are! SKHF. FWSCK!

So geoff, and I mean ONLY GEOFF:

I know it's hard for a 'tard like you to remember, but this is still an
unmoderated newsgroup, and you're still not in charge. Anybody
can reply. Will this ever get through your igneous skull (no, not
"ingenious", that's "igneous")? No, you're probably just too stupid.

Please list some examples of "half-truths, inaccuracies,
misconceptions, and totally wrong ****" you *allege* I have been "shooting
off".

Search for every single post you've ever made in this newsgroup, and then
re-read all the responses. Then go back and do it again. And again. It's all
there; your pathetic dumb****ery, your utter unwillingness to learn, and
your
impotent crybaby whining. It's all there. Are you just too stupid to read it
all again and again until it sinks in through that crumbling chunk of basalt
you call a skull, and into the tiny dog-turd that passes for your brain?

(I'd love to hear this..)

It's already been posted dozens of times. And you never love to hear it,
it just enrages you and compels you to display your idiocy.

[geoff]

On 4/09/2019 9:47 pm, wrote:
geoff wrote: "Nothing wrong with breaching the topic - it is something of interest to
most of us here. And this is a nice concise article about it, including
relevant samples and graphics.

Read/look/listen ten times and even you might start to understand the
issue properly, instead of shooting off half-truths, inaccuracies,
misconceptions, and totally wrong ****. "

geoff"


Nothing I don't already know, although the illustrations and audible demos are quite useful.

So geoff, and I mean ONLY GEOFF: Please list some examples of "half-truths, inaccuracies,
misconceptions, and totally wrong ****" you *allege* I have been "shooting off".

(I'd love to hear this..)



No sign that I've seen has indicated that you've ever learned the
difference between limiting and clipping, waveform and envelope.

If you actually have, then great.

Over and out.

geoff

[Trevor]

On 5/09/2019 12:20 pm, geoff wrote:
On 4/09/2019 9:47 pm, wrote:
geoff wrote: "Nothing wrong with breaching the topic - it is something
of interest to
most of us here. And this is a nice concise article about it, including
relevant samples and graphics.

Read/look/listen ten times and even you might start to understand the
issue properly, instead of shooting off half-truths, inaccuracies,
misconceptions, and totally wrong ****. "

geoff"


Nothing I don't already know, although the illustrations and audible
demos are quite useful.

So geoff, and I mean ONLY GEOFF: Please list some examples of
"half-truths, inaccuracies,
misconceptions, and totally wrong ****" you *allege* I have been
"shooting off".

(I'd love to hear this..)



No sign that I've seen has indicated that you've ever learned the
difference between limiting and clipping, waveform and envelope.

If you actually have, then great.


Very unlikely, but that simply opens up a whole semantic debate given
limiting can be soft or hard, hard limiting can be clipping, or causes
it at least. An envelope is only an imaginary outline of a waveform etc.
However the real question is why do so many here realise he is stupid,
is never going to learn, yet don't bother to kill-file him? Masochists,
or just love slagging him off?

[[email protected]]

Alright geoff: What do you, personally, call this?...

http://www.gluonics.com/rod-stewart/...nine-pilot.gif

[Scott Dorsey]

geoff wrote:
On 4/09/2019 4:14 am, wrote:
geoff:

You, Scott, Mike R, and that thing from MA used to be sick
of it whenever *I* breached that topic, yet here you go
bringing it up again with that Times article!

Nothing wrong with breaching the topic - it is something of interest to
most of us here. And this is a nice concise article about it, including
relevant samples and graphics.

Thekman has a point here. Every time that topic gets breached here, it
turns into a flame war. Probably it is best not to mention it since it has
been worked into the ground already.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[[email protected]]

Scott Dorsey:
"flame war"

Perhaps it would be prudent to find out why this topic
generates flame wars. This is audio.production, not
politics, so loudness is one aspect of audio
production.

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theccchhhhhmaaaaah skidmark @ theckmatard . fu
wrote in message
...

Perhaps it would be prudent to find out why this topic
generates flame wars.

Mostly because you keep circling back to ignite the brain farts
you always have with the subject. Really, go back and re-read
all the replies to your dumb-****ery in this n.g. If you still don't
understand, then you are clearly too stupid to ever understand.

You're like a toddler who keeps asking "are we there yet," except
that toddlers eventually grow up. You seem to be getting more
retarded as you age.

HDSJ. SLFIS. OSHE, SFKSH? LMREW! FCK,WARD!

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Prudence wrote in message
...

Perhaps it would be prudent to find out why this topic
generates flame wars.

Just look at this thread. Geoff posted a link. The second post was
from some retarded dumb-**** asshole trying to turn it into a
flame war with his short-bus whining. That ****ing asshole is you,
"Prudence". Dumb ****.

[Bob Olhsson]

The proverbial elephant in the room is that really good musicians haven't been assured of a middle-class living since the 1970s.

Another part of the story is that during WW2 the U.S. military provided lessons and instruments to thousands of people based on merit alone. We and Great Britain also hosted thousands of Europe's finest musicians who were fleeing the fascists. They played in our orchestras and taught our children music. My wife actually took her high school violin lessons from the former concertmaster of La Scala.

Unfortunately, music has turned into a hobby. There is as much talent as ever but not nearly as much performance experience.

[Scott Dorsey]

In article ,
Bob Olhsson wrote:
The proverbial elephant in the room is that really good musicians haven't b=
een assured of a middle-class living since the 1970s.

Another part of the story is that during WW2 the U.S. military provided les=
sons and instruments to thousands of people based on merit alone. We and Gr=
eat Britain also hosted thousands of Europe's finest musicians who were fle=
eing the fascists. They played in our orchestras and taught our children mu=
sic. My wife actually took her high school violin lessons from the former c=
oncertmaster of La Scala.

Unfortunately, music has turned into a hobby. There is as much talent as ev=
er but not nearly as much performance experience.

I'd say it's worse than that, Bob.

There are high grade professional musicians making a good living, and there
are hobbyists. But there is nothing in-between, and when there is nothing
in-between there is no route for hobbyists to become high grade professionals.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Ty Ford[_2_]]

There are high grade professional musicians making a good living, and there
are hobbyists. But there is nothing in-between, and when there is nothing
in-between there is no route for hobbyists to become high grade professionals.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Scott, are you still in WIlliamsburg +/- 15%?

I don't know about you, but up here in Baltimore we have a thriving musician community that will probably never see a major stage. This also exists in DC and that group is even larger. This month I'll be seeing two local acts at Germano's in Little Italy. The Abbey Road Jazz Ensemble and Nate Najar's quartet. That's jazz of course, but there's plenty of others. Josh Christina is a major player with a four piece. You can not sit still when the band plays.

You guys sound like old fogies trapped in your rocking chairs or the two old guys in the balcony of the Muppets.

Best Regards,

Ty Ford

[Scott Dorsey]

Ty Ford wrote:

I don't know about you, but up here in Baltimore we have a thriving musicia=
n community that will probably never see a major stage. This also exists in=
DC and that group is even larger. This month I'll be seeing two local acts=
at Germano's in Little Italy. The Abbey Road Jazz Ensemble and Nate Najar'=
s quartet. That's jazz of course, but there's plenty of others. Josh Christ=
ina is a major player with a four piece. You can not sit still when the ban=
d plays.

That's great! Are they making a living doing this or do they have day jobs?

You guys sound like old fogies trapped in your rocking chairs or the two ol=
d guys in the balcony of the Muppets.

Bob can be Waldorf if I can be Stadtler.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Ty Ford[_2_]]

On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 11:15:43 AM UTC-4, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Ty Ford wrote:

I don't know about you, but up here in Baltimore we have a thriving musicia=
n community that will probably never see a major stage. This also exists in=
DC and that group is even larger. This month I'll be seeing two local acts=
at Germano's in Little Italy. The Abbey Road Jazz Ensemble and Nate Najar'=
s quartet. That's jazz of course, but there's plenty of others. Josh Christ=
ina is a major player with a four piece. You can not sit still when the ban=
d plays.

That's great! Are they making a living doing this or do they have day jobs?

You guys sound like old fogies trapped in your rocking chairs or the two ol=
d guys in the balcony of the Muppets.

Bob can be Waldorf if I can be Stadtler.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

The others may not, but Josh does. Please pardon the vertical video, but in this case it was the only way to capture the entire keyboard. We'll be headed out to the Ashland Cafe to see him (again) on Sept. 21st. You'll need to book at least a week in advance. Get there around 6:30. Get dinner. Enjoy the show. They normally do three sets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I4F1NipMGo

The Seldom Scene had day jobs, as I recall. It didn't seem to take away from their music.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seldom_Scene

Here in Baltimore, among many bands, "The Stone Hill Allstars" stands above many for their original music. This CD is one I really like. https://www.divideandconquermusic.co...all-stars-away

Also....while I'm thinking about it, Germano's in Little Italy deserves a LOT of credit for booking live music upstairs. Scroll through the months.

http://germanospiattini.com/calendar-of-events/

Regards,

Ty Ford

[Ty Ford[_2_]]

On Tuesday, September 10, 2019 at 11:15:43 AM UTC-4, Scott Dorsey wrote:
..

Bob can be Waldorf if I can be Stadtler.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Hahahahaha!

[Bob Olhsson]

"Original music" isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about high school kids in the 1950s and '60sgetting paid the equivalent of $500 in today's money every weekend EACH. As their so-called "cover" band became successful, they would slip some originals into their show. As they developed a "draw," assuming that happened, people would invest in their playing "on the road" to expand their fanbase and in a recording. With regional success came offers from record labels. If they failed, they still could earn $500 each a weekend playing covers and improving their skills.

This supported a vast talent pool because it didn't require being able to afford to play music like it does today. The best of the best is who we hear on records from that era. Today, it's more like the best of the rich who play music full time.

[Ty Ford[_2_]]

On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 12:14:52 PM UTC-4, Bob Olhsson wrote:
"Original music" isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about high school kids in the 1950s and '60sgetting paid the equivalent of $500 in today's money every weekend EACH. As their so-called "cover" band became successful, they would slip some originals into their show. As they developed a "draw," assuming that happened, people would invest in their playing "on the road" to expand their fanbase and in a recording. With regional success came offers from record labels. If they failed, they still could earn $500 each a weekend playing covers and improving their skills.

This supported a vast talent pool because it didn't require being able to afford to play music like it does today. The best of the best is who we hear on records from that era. Today, it's more like the best of the rich who play music full time.

In the 1970's (and certainly in the 50s and 60s) most bands had to go to a recording studio to get anything decent.

We have plenty of week day and "weekend warrior" cover bands around Balt and DC; young and old er). Where are you, Bob?

"This supported a vast talent pool because it didn't require being able to afford to play music like it does today." I'm not sure what you mean by this, can you extrapolate, please?

Regards,

Ty Ford

[Bob Olhsson]

I'm talking about musicians who started their performance career in the '50s and '60s. The ability of young musicians in the U.S. to earn a middle-class living went to hell in the early '70s.

[Bob Olhsson]

Recording is cheaper but my point is that where people got really good was playing on stage and doing that has become unaffordable for most.

The article was about pop musicians not seeming as good as they once were and my point is that there is a good reason for people to observe that.

[Ty Ford[_2_]]

On Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 8:02:39 PM UTC-4, Bob Olhsson wrote:
Recording is cheaper but my point is that where people got really good was playing on stage and doing that has become unaffordable for most.

The article was about pop musicians not seeming as good as they once were and my point is that there is a good reason for people to observe that.

I used to be asked by friends to join them at Open Mics. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting seven or more open mics here.

"Hey, let's drive to Frederick and play at the XX place!! It'll be GREAT!!!!"

Hmm, so let me get this right. We four get in a car around 6pm. Wade our way through the afternoon traffic up to Frederick fro an hour and a half, find a parking spot on Market Street. Pay to eat and drink. Play three songs each for the fun of it and get back home around midnight. Is that it?

YEAH!!

um, no thanks!. Good for the venue owner. Not so good for me. We have Open Mics a lot closer to me, but personally I'm just not that enthused about playing out.

And that was 10 years ago.

Regards,

Ty Ford

[Scott Dorsey]

Bob Olhsson wrote:
Recording is cheaper but my point is that where people got really good was playing on stage and doing that has become unaffordable for most.

Right, that is the thing. There used to be plenty of venues for people to
make good money while practicing to better their craft. Everything from pit
orchestras to bar bands provided opportunity and paid a living wage.

The article was about pop musicians not seeming as good as they once were and my point is that there is a good reason for people to observe that.

That's only part of the problem. When I started out, we had a lot of
well-paying recording gigs for things like in-store muzak, and even
Army training films had composers, arrangers, and a small orchestra
on the payroll. That's gone.

But also when I started out, we had a whole lot of European musicians who
had come here as refugees before or after WWII, who were very seriously
trained in an environment that never did exist in this country. Those
people have mostly died off.

But it's still pretty amazing to work with some of the eastern European
orchestras. You sit down and hand them charts and they play it all right
the first time and then everyone goes home. This does not happen in the
pop world.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[polymod]

"Scott Dorsey" wrote in message ...

snip

But it's still pretty amazing to work with some of the eastern European
orchestras. You sit down and hand them charts and they play it all right
the first time and then everyone goes home. This does not happen in the
pop world.



Hence the old joke: how do you get a guitarist to turn down?
Put a piece of sheet music in front of them.

;-)
Poly

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[Bob Olhsson]

On Friday, September 13, 2019 at 7:18:12 PM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:
. You sit down and hand them charts and they play it all right
the first time and then everyone goes home. This does not happen in the
pop world.

It did back in the days of session players. In Nashville. you just played them a song and in most cases, they memorized it with no chart needed. The problem with rock bands is that they typically only had one or maybe two truly great musicians in them.

[Scott Dorsey]

Bob Olhsson wrote:

It did back in the days of session players. In Nashville. you just played them a song and in most cases, they memorized it with no chart needed. The problem with rock bands is that they typically only had one or maybe two truly great musicians in them.

Well, there have been lots of Fabians and Menudos over the years too.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Bob Olhsson]

On Sunday, September 15, 2019 at 6:29:29 PM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:

Well, there have been lots of Fabians and Menudos over the years too.

I'd argue we are in the longest period of Fabiosity ever! We have no effective indi labels and most live venues are controlled by the Bill Graham crowd. It's like the '50s when the old big band promoters ran everything.