[Arny Krueger]

http://stereophile.com/asweseeit/1107awsi/

"Vitality? Don't make me laugh. Audio as a hobby is dying, largely by its
own hand. As far as the real world is concerned, high-end audio lost its
credibility during the 1980s, when it flatly refused to submit to the kind
of basic honesty controls (double-blind testing, for example) that had
legitimized every other serious scientific endeavor since Pascal. [This
refusal] is a source of endless derisive amusement among rational people and
of perpetual embarrassment for me, because I am associated by so many people
with the mess my disciples made of spreading my gospel. For the record: I
never, ever claimed that measurements don't matter. What I said (and very
often, at that) was, they don't always tell the whole story. Not quite the
same thing."

[George M. Middius]

The Krooborg bows and scrapes to its clay idol.

high-end audio lost its
credibility during the 1980s, when it flatly refused to submit to the kind
of basic honesty controls (double-blind testing, for example) that had
legitimized every other serious scientific endeavor since Pascal.

So this is where you wacky 'borgs got the idea that consumer audio is a
"serious scientific endeavor". Here's how the rest of the world views
the Holy Reverend Father Holt:
http://shorterlink.com/?3PJFPM

[Clyde Slick]

On 29 Noi, 22:54, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

This
refusal] is a source of endless derisive amusement among rational people and
of perpetual embarrassment for me, because I am associated by so many people
with the mess my disciples made of spreading my gospel.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

George, i have to hand it to you
just a few hours ago you so aptly
told Bill Reil that Arny even holds
his few sycophants in disdain.
Like Herr Hitler, our resident tube Nazi just
can't find any reliable henchmen.

[JBorg, Jr.[_2_]]

Arny Krueger wrote:



http://stereophile.com/asweseeit/1107awsi/

"Vitality? Don't make me laugh. Audio as a hobby is dying, largely by
its own hand. As far as the real world is concerned, high-end audio
lost its credibility during the 1980s, when it flatly refused to
submit to the kind of basic honesty controls (double-blind testing,
for example) that had legitimized every other serious scientific
endeavor since Pascal. [This refusal] is a source of endless derisive
amusement among rational people and of perpetual embarrassment for
me, because I am associated by so many people with the mess my
disciples made of spreading my gospel.



This qouted text you posted above and below seems to show that Mr. Holt
is bitter, I suppose. Maybe not. If you are man enough, you should
demonstrate and describe here and now in simple sentences
why dbt, as stated above, provides basic honesty control with
regard to distinguishing presence of subtle differences in sound.


Otherwise, all it is is your attempt to justify these make-believe hot air
spewing out from Mr. Holt's corner.

J. Gordon Holt deserves much than these silly games you play in cyber
space, Mr. Kreuger.




For the record: I never, ever
claimed that measurements don't matter. What I said (and very often,
at that) was, they don't always tell the whole story. Not quite the
same thing."


Yes, specs and measurements don't always tell the whole story.
That's why people take the time to listen to audio component.