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In article , Wolfgang
Weisselberg wrote:

So an app you wrote and told to log debug output to
/tmp/myapp.{date}.{random} would be found by your console app?

yet another twist.

the console app shows what gets written to stdout and stderr,

And log files are something *completely* different.

sometimes.

and in
the unlikely event you write to another file

Are you even aware that STDOUT and STDERR are not even a
file? Oh, no, you don't have any idea.

console will show what is output by printf or cout from an app. it is
not necessary to know where that data happens to be in the file system.

the ide can also show that info in a window, and it's possible it's not
even in a file at all. it might not even last beyond the debug session.

oh no, you don't have any idea about other ways of doing things.

for some reason, it can
read that too.

Only if you direct it to the file. Therefore you need to
know where the files are. QED.

nope. see above.

meanwhile, most people don't look at log files.

Meanwhile, most people don't do most things, therefore most
things are not needed.

many things are not needed.

How?

open it.

How do I open it without knowing where it is? Oh, yes, you
need to *know* where the file is.

no you don't. it's already taken care of.

PS: There are many more people looking at logfiles than just geeks.
That's obvious to anyone with a brain and a smattering of
knowledge in that area.

not enough to make it important.

there are *far* more users who *don't* look at logfiles or even know
what to do with what's in them.