[Bill Graham]

Peter Larsen wrote:
Bill Graham wrote:


There is a simple correlation between number of guns and number
of people dead from gunshots.

This is probably true, but I'd like to see some statistics.

There's no question that if more people carried concealed weapons,
there would be less crime -- but there would probably be more
murders.

I don't believe there would be more, "murders", but there would
certainly be more accidental deaths. but their would be benefits too.
In the same way that removing all the automobiles would result in
less accidental deaths, but nobody would be able to drive to work.
There are benefits and drawbacks to guns. I think the benefits
outweigh the drawbacks. The gun is a tool. It is for killing people.
Some people need badly to be killed, and when you run into one of
these, its very helpful if you have the tool with you. If there are
others who misuse the tool....Well, that will always happen with any
tool. But that shouldn't force those who know how to use it properly
to have to do without it. Why force the society to live down to its
lowest proper level? Lets go with catering to the enlightened ones
and hope the others will learn something.

Are you enlightned? - are you in any way more than you fellow man -
the right to the enlightened to kill the untermenschen is way far
along the road to fascism, way too far. Man should not allow any man
god status of any kind.

Thank you for providing such an excellent example of why society can
not allow the populace to take its own revenges. What is not quite so
well understood among politicians is that with the violence monopoly
comes the obligation to maintain it, ie. to provide credible law
enforcement.
Mind you, I would certainly own a gun if it was allowed here in
Denmark, but your line of reasoning to the effect that "the fit" have
the right and obligation to kill "the unfit" is the reasoning that
drives killing offspring because it falls in love with offspring of
people you do not like, or drove any genocide anywhere anytime. It is
just not acceptable.
Sir, there is something about democracy you have plain not understood.

Peter Larsen

"The fit" is your wording, and not mine. I speak of the criminals, and not
the fit. There is literally no other way to prevent crime. As I've said
before, the police can't prevent crime. There aren't nearly enough of them.
When a crime is committed against you, there is only one person there who
can prevent it.....You. The police can only hunt down the perpetrators after
the fact, but that doesn't help you any. As a practical matter, only you,
and your gun, can do the proper job. I'm really sorry that that's the way it
is, but I am accustomed to living in the real world, and not some mystical
happy-happy land that doesn't exist. I have carried a gun all of my life,
and had I not done so, I wouldn't be here making my case against you right
now.