On Feb 8, 10:12=A0am, Sebastian Kaliszewski
wrote:
Scott wrote:
=A0 On Feb 7, 11:14=3DA0am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:
=A0 "Scott" wrote in message
=A0 "Scott" wrote in message
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=A0 Then why should we all be happy with the single set of
=A0 distortion artifacts that vinyl imposes on us?
=A0 A single set? really? All vinyl playback equipment sounds
=A0 the same?
=A0 The audible distortion that is inherent in vinyl comes from the sam=
e
laws=3D
=A0 =A0of
=A0 physics as applied to a very narrow implementation. =3DA0IME vinyl
playback
=A0 equipment has a very narrowly-defined set of colorations and
distortions.
=A0
=A0 Unfortunately your experience is painfully limited and colored with =
an
=A0 obvious bias. I have offered to put these and other such claims to t=
he
=A0 test under blind conditions but you refuse. That says it all.
Nope. The offer must be reasonable to begin with.
The offer is reasonable.
I could come with an offer 
to all the group as well. Lets perform the
whole test somewhere in Siberia -- it would be about equally hard to get
there for all the participants so this should make things even
All the expenses and visas and customs permits for the equpment are up
to participants
I guess you missed the part where I stated we could find a location
near enough to Arny's home that the travel woould not inconvenient
him. So is this a matter of the offer being unreasonable by me or
misunderstood by you?
[...]
=A0 I know that I can't do a better job than the best
=A0 mastering engineers and
=A0 I see very little evidence that you've ever tried or even seriously
=A0 investigated what it would take.
=A0
=A0 You probably also see very little evidence of the color of the
=A0 furniture in my house. By your logic it is therefore colorless.
Nope, by that logic you have simply presented no evidence of it's color.
That is true but it also ignores Arny's conclusions drawn from an
absence of evidence. were Arny drawing such reasonable conclusions
from his lack of experience with mastering I wouldn't have used the
analogy.
=A0 Arny
=A0 it is a basic logical fallacy to use yourself as a reference for
=A0 impirical evidence.
I see that Arny bases this on (lack of) evidence you (have not)
provided. He is not using himself as a source of evidence, he is using yo=
u.
No he is not using me he is using his misrepresentations of me. all in
all it boils down to the same nonsense.
=A0 That is especially true when you remain willfully
=A0 ignorant on the subject as shown in your description of the various
=A0 masterings of Pink Floyd's DSOTM which was something you cut and
=A0 pasted from wickipedia.
=A0
But what has the origin of quote to the discussed matters? And how it
shows someone's ignorance?
If one were not ignorant on the subject I suspect they would not cut
and paste a whoafully inadequate list of masterings. One would know
better if they were well versed on the subject
=A0
=A0 I know I don't have the technical
=A0 chops to mimic the euphonic colorations of my vinyl rig
=A0 Well, that's because those euphonic colorations are primarily a
creation =3D
=A0 of
=A0 your preferences.
=A0
=A0 Prove it. I've challenged you to do so under blind conditions and yo=
u
=A0 continue to be a no show.
You still did not show in Siberia. And I've challenged you! (Well, just
few paragraphs ago, but if you're serious you should be already in a
plane to Irkutsk )
Do you know the difference between a convenient location and Siberia?
It is much like the difference between a reasonable offer such as the
one I made and an unreasonable offer such as the one you are mockingly
making here. Perhaps you should read my offers more carefully before
equating a location that would not cause Arny any inconvenience with
Siberia. but on the same note you might want to learn more about the
body of masterings out there before asking why Arny's cut and paste
from wikipedia was evidence of his ignorance on the subject.
Back to being serious, Arny proposed much more realistic way to perform
the test. Yet you declined (and accused him of dishonesty as an excuse).
His proposition was not in any way more realistic. any meaningful test
needs moderation. I would think anyone with the most basic of
knowledge on such tests would understand this. The test was supposed
to be by ear only. Without moderation we would have no way of knowing
this was what happened. Sorry but no, I don't trust Arny to do the
test on his own by ear alone. Doing the test at a convenient location
for Arny under moderation is not an unreasonable test.
But his proposal could be quite easily modified, so none of his alleged
by you dishonesty could play a role. Just put audio samples on the net,
and allow all the interested people to listen for themselves.
Sorry but this doe not force people to make a determination by ear
alone. Your ideas simply do not offer reasonable controls under the
circumstances of the debate.
If the
samples are not whole tunes, but just fragments it would certailnly be a
fair use and would not violate copyrights.
Copyright is not my concern. Insuring the test is done by ear alone
is.
And it'd be really interesting to see who is right.
Would you like to do the test? Certainly there must be a location near
you that is convenient. not going to ask you to travel to Siberia.
Heck, given the opportunity I'd come visit you and we could do it on
your system. Would that be too unreasonable?
=A0 It's easy to talk the talk. let's see you
=A0 walk the walk.
So, will you do the walk (as described above)?
I will happily participate in the test so long as there is a control
that prevents the testee from using any means other than his or her
own listening abilities to make a determination. so now the offer goes
out to you. Are you going to wlak or talk?