On Jun 24, 11:47*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On Jun 24, 10:39*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
On Jun 24, 8:55*pm, Clyde Slick wrote:
On Jun 24, 8:57*pm, "Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!"
wrote:
Such as?
Unintended consequences. Like in previous legislation, going to
the energy saver flourescent bulbs. They are useless for
home security setups. watch property crime go up
Do you have any evidence of property crime going up due to different
bulbs? Please show your work.
Duh!!!
The law hasn't gone into effect yet.
The new bulbs are not yet mandatory, so they are not
used for that purpose.
So you are speculating that property crime will rise dramatically
because of FLs.
Speaking of "Duh!" LOL!
They don't work with dimmers.
Some do:
http://www.1000bulbs.com/Dimmable-Co...ulbs/?gclid=CN...
they expend more energy to produce than they save over the projected
life.
Really? That makes no sense:
An ENERGY STAR qualified compact fluorescent light bulb (CFL) will
save about $30 over its lifetime and pay for itself in about 6 months.
It uses 75 percent less energy and lasts about 10 times longer than an
incandescent bulb.
http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=cfls.pr_cfls
I think you're using bad/outdated information. Did you get it from one
of 2pid's blogs?
Whoever makes them pays for the energy to make them as well as the
components, equipment, marketing, *etc. It used to be that you took
your cost and multipiled by five to approximate a retail price. I'm
not sure if that's still current. Whoever makes them is making money
on them.
In any event, I find it hard to believe that all of these people say
something other than what you say and I can find nothing which
supports your claim. If you have something, let's see it.
Will it have governmental costs that will increase taxes?
Will it be like the supposed energy saving lightbulbs, which
take more extra energy to produce than what they save?
BZZZT.
You want to be an environmentalist, fine with
me, but get SMART about and don't
fall for glosssy superficial hype.
Ask better questions.
there was nothing wrong with those, except that
\they are too difficult for you to answer, you being
a relatviely simplistic non-thinker.
No, it's just that the correct answers aren't what you thought they
were, being an ossified old codger who seems to frequently post while
drinking.
Here are the answers to the myths and misinformation you propagate
(Um, speaking of "simplistic non-thinker'):
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=587586
which led to this:
there were no answers there.
Scroll up. There were plenty of answers the
Here are some of the most common myths about green lighting.
1. Low energy bulbs produce unpleasant light
Five or so years ago, many low energy bulbs did produce rather weak,
cold and unnatural-looking light. But times have changed and modern
eco bulbs produce bright, yellow light that is just as pleasant – if
very slightly different in character – as regular lighting. American
magazine Popular Mechanics put such claims to the test, asking people
to rate the light from eight different bulbs. The result? The seven
eco bulbs all scored better than the one regular bulb.
2. Eco bulbs flicker and take ages to turn on
Again, this is mainly a thing of the past. Most modern low energy
bulbs turn on within a second, with no flickering. But it’s true that
they can take a few seconds to reach their maximum light levels,
especially in a cold room.
3. Low energy light bulbs are expensive
Prices have plummeted in recent years and, thanks to subsidy schemes,
high quality bulbs are available in the UK for as little as £1 each.
The more obscure eco bulbs are pricier, but still excellent value if
you factor in how long they last and the comparative cost of using
regular bulbs.
4. Low energy bulbs take lots of energy to make, offsetting their
environmental benefits
Energy saving bulbs take around four times more energy to make than
regular incandescent bulbs do. But they last five to ten times longer,
so they can actually help reduce the total energy used in light bulb
manufacture and distribution. Even if this were not true, the energy
used in producing an eco bulb would be outweighed by the 80 per cent
energy savings it can make.
5. Low energy bulbs look ugly
Ok, spiral or U-shaped low energy bulbs aren’t particularly attractive
for exposed light fittings. But there are plenty of regular-looking
eco bulbs, such as the Philips Softone range, available in globe,
candle and other shapes.
6. Halogen bulbs are already super-efficient
Halogen bulbs are more efficient than regular bulbs but still only
half as efficient as low energy compact fluorescents. And halogen
bulbs are often used rather prolifically – many homes have six or more
recessed halogen bulbs in one room.
There are three alternatives to halogen fittings. Philips make a
version of a standard ceiling-recessed halogen bulbs (MR16) that use
30 per cent less energy. Even greener are Megaman’s mini compact
fluorescent bulbs, available for various halogen fittings. Or you
could try LED spotlights, which use as little as 1W per bulb, but
current models produce far less light than regular halogens.
7. Low energy bulbs don’t work with dimmer switches
This was true until recently, but you can now buy fully dimmable low
energy bulbs. They’re more expensive than regular eco bulbs but they
can still save you plenty of money in the long run. Also, the Philips
energy-saving halogen bulbs mentioned above are fully dimmable (as are
some Megaman bulbs, though you may have to change your fittings).
8. Low energy bulbs are bad for us and the environment as they contain
mercury
It’s true that low energy bulbs contain tiny quantities of mercury
(around 100–300 times less than you’d get in a thermometer). However,
this can be safely disposed of by taking old bulbs to your local dump
for recycling. The largest source of mercury in the air is the burning
of fossil fuels – in coal-fired power plants, for example. Provided
they’re properly disposed of, low energy bulbs can help reduce the
amount of mercury energy entering the atmosphere by cutting the demand
for electricity.
9. Regular bulbs don’t waste energy, they just produce heat that helps
warm the home
It is true that the 'wasted' energy of a regular bulb is given off as
heat. but this is only useful on cold days. Gas boilers produce heat
far more efficiently than electric light bulbs. And as hot air rises,
bulbs on the ceiling aren’t exactly the ideal place to produce heat
for your home.
10. The government is banning regular bulbs
In September 2007 a number of leading retailers, in consultation with
the government, agreed to begin phrasing out the least efficient bulbs
this year. But this is a voluntary initiative rather than a ban.